Alan Shearer takes over Newcastle United..
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Oh I can't believe that .
The beautiful game is far more news worthy to the good citizens of this green and pleasant land.
Than war ,famine,the banks nicking all our money.
I believe its a bit like basketball for people who can't jump.
Earl
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Is this forum full of children, of course I don't want to bet £10,000 with you, thanks for the offer though.
You Newcastle lot crack me up, your post sounds like a KK rant. I even get the feeling you were typing it with your top off whilst scoffing a pie
Don't get your undies in a twist, the championships alright, mind you the following year when your in league 1 may be a bit grim, provided your not in administration by then.
No I don't want £10,000 on that either.
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Having thoroughly enjoyed the Gibson/Parker test match going on in this thread here's an impartial summary.
I promise that my 40 years+ friendship with Colin and the fact that I have only missed 12 NUFC home games since 1964 (8 of those during the pro-John Hall boycott in 1989) will not affect my judgement.
I did in fact email Colin to explain that Mr Gibson had made a valid point with regard to big clubs appointing only "proven" managers in the early part of the thread.
This led to severe rebuke in a reply which replicated his later posting above in which he lists the successes of NUFC's previous "proven" managers and, having understood the point that he was making I have to say that I now agree with his views wholeheartedly.
I have to say that, having only today being made aware of this forum, it never ceases to amaze me how many contributors, not just of this forum but of any forum where NUFC is the subject of discussion, cannot wait to get their knives out - in particular that NUFC is not a BIG club and that we NUFC fans are "too big for our boots" and have totally unrealistic expectations for a club which has not won a domestic honour for more than half a century.
Here are just a few reasons why NUFC ARE a big club and why we supporters have such high expectations:-
50,000 + home gates - 3rd biggest in best league in the world;
Sell out away allocations every match;
ONLY British club EVER to break the WORLD TRANSFER RECORD;
More European games than all but 3 sides.
More £6M incoming transfers than all but three other teams -paid for by US - the fans;
Major headline stories in all media (indeed lead story SKY/Setanta Sports even on a day when England have a vital World Cup Qualifier)
And Finally,
The fact that so many contributors to the forum want to get their noses in the trough - somehow I don't think there would be the same interest if the club involved were sunderland, middlesbrough, chelsea, spurs, southampton, blackburn, liverpool, peterborough or leeds all of whose supporters have added their envious "tuppences" above.
All of the above make NUFC a BIG club and the remarkable loyalty of the TOON ARMY the legend that it is!!
I, for one, cannot wait to be among the 53,000 on Saturday!!
Howay the Lads
Derek Platten
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I agree.
The recent table of the biggest clubs in Europe (based on £ turnover) had them in the top 20. (as usual)
So, my view is that they should be near the front of the queue for managers, not at the back. They should be poaching successful mangers from other clubs, not hiring guys who aren't in demand.
Bringing guys out of retirement and hiring a TV pundit with no experience just doesn't fit the standards of a big club.
Steve
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I didn't even mention the turnover in my list - that's a given (Sadly no longer Shay Given - best keeper in the Prem!).
Anyway, through no fault of your own you were not fortunate enough to have been born in Geordieland or, it would appear, have any emotional ties to it.
It is therefore impossible for you, or anyone of similar ilk, to understand what it means to have a deep, almost religious, love, devotion and attachment to NUFC.
This, in my opinion, is why only Geordies or adopted Geordies have ever had any success on Tyneside and why Alan Shearer is uniquely suited to take over in the current situation.
I actually did not have any relegation fears and was confident that, even under the existing management stucture, and as pathetic and ineffective as it has been, our current squad had enough ability and skill to have taken the required 9 points from our games against Stoke, Pompey, Fulham and boro.
With the injection of confidence that Shearer's arrival will bring I am now looking forward to an even better return - we may yet have a say who wins the title and gets into the Champion's League with our games against Chelski, Liverpool and Villa.
Howay the Lads
Derek Platten
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Fernhurst Solutions Ltd
Hiya Derek ... I presume I must be the Blackburn fan who is "envious" - please don't try and fool yourself.
Why would I be envious of a club who has had no sucess over the last 50 odd years?
Why would I be envious of supporters who look like a bunch of barcodes?
Why would I be envious a club who's chairman / owner wears the club shirt like he is a fan, when the world and his wife knows he supports Tottenham?
Why would I be envious of a club who has employed the likes of Lee Bowyer and Joey Barton?
Why would I be envious of a club that has self important fans (like Tottenahm and Man City)?
Why would I be envious of a club that parades the Intertoto Cup like a trophy of any worth?
Why would I be envious?
** Breaking News **, the world does not revolve around Newcaste United - you are just another club in the Premier League. At least we have silverware to show for the money we spent ... all Newcastle have is their fans banging on about how big their gate is. Here is a tip for you, points win you the league, and winning a cup final gets you a trophy - neither of which you have done for a long time or for the forseeable future.
Why would I be envious of a club who has had no sucess over the last 50 odd years?
Why would I be envious of supporters who look like a bunch of barcodes?
Why would I be envious a club who's chairman / owner wears the club shirt like he is a fan, when the world and his wife knows he supports Tottenham?
Why would I be envious of a club who has employed the likes of Lee Bowyer and Joey Barton?
Why would I be envious of a club that has self important fans (like Tottenahm and Man City)?
Why would I be envious of a club that parades the Intertoto Cup like a trophy of any worth?
Why would I be envious?
** Breaking News **, the world does not revolve around Newcaste United - you are just another club in the Premier League. At least we have silverware to show for the money we spent ... all Newcastle have is their fans banging on about how big their gate is. Here is a tip for you, points win you the league, and winning a cup final gets you a trophy - neither of which you have done for a long time or for the forseeable future.
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Hiya Derek ... I presume I must be the Blackburn fan who is "envious" - please don't try and fool yourself.
Why would I be envious of a club who has had no sucess over the last 50 odd years?
Why would I be envious of supporters who look like a bunch of barcodes?
Why would I be envious a club who's chairman / owner wears the club shirt like he is a fan, when the world and his wife knows he supports Tottenham?
Why would I be envious of a club who has employed the likes of Lee Bowyer and Joey Barton?
Why would I be envious of a club that has self important fans (like Tottenahm and Man City)?
Why would I be envious of a club that parades the Intertoto Cup like a trophy of any worth?
Why would I be envious?
** Breaking News **, the world does not revolve around Newcaste United - you are just another club in the Premier League. At least we have silverware to show for the money we spent ... all Newcastle have is their fans banging on about how big their gate is. Here is a tip for you, points win you the league, and winning a cup final gets you a trophy - neither of which you have done for a long time or for the forseeable future.
But you simply can't resist putting your nose back in the trough!!
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Colin Parker
** Breaking News **, the world does not revolve around Newcaste United - you are just another club in the Premier League. At least we have silverware to show for the money we spent ... all Newcastle have is their fans banging on about how big their gate is. Here is a tip for you, points win you the league, and winning a cup final gets you a trophy - neither of which you have done for a long time or for the forseeable future.
Breaking News **, the world does not revolve around Newcaste United.
A fair point ... so will you please tell that to the media who seem to think that is the case.
Yet again, we dominated the airwaves, back pages (front in some cases), and TV sports reports across all channels on a day when there were World Cup qualifiers, tragedies across the World and Obama meeting Brown to name but a few FAR MORE NATIONAL NEWSWORTHY ISSUES.
And I am a fanatical Toon supporter.
I couldn't care less (in the nicest possible way - honestly) what any non Geordie or non Toon supporter thinks about my club. Yes I admit I enjoy the craic (even on here with Mr. Gibson) but whatever statistics, one upmanship or smart answers you, I or anyone esle comes up with you will NEVER change MY opinion of MY CLUB just as I will NEVER change YOUR opinion about YOUR CLUB.
Because we are SUPPORTERS.
And that is exactly how it should be because if you ever want proof positive that emotion rules logic ask any football supporter ... and nowhere unfortunately for 54 years (with the exception of our Fairs Cup win in 1969) has that been proven more than at Newcastle United FC.
Which brings me right back to the start of this post. I. and I am sure the vast, vast majority of Toon fans are sick to the back teeth of seeing our trials and very sparse tribulations, our dirty washing, our managerial merry go-rounds etc., etc., etc., paraded to the World (never mind the UK) via the UK national media.
DO YOU THINK WE ASK THE MEDIA FOR THIS ATTENTION?
DID WE ASK THE MEDIA TO CAMP OUTSIDE St James Park EVERYTIME A DIRECTOR OR PLAYER FARTS??
DO WE ASK THE MEDIA TO FILM GEORDIES CHANTING 'KEEEEGAAN' or 'SHHEEEEEERRRAAA' OUTSIDE OF THE GROUND???
Come on guys - give us a break - because you know the answer is NO.
The media COME LOOKING FOR US and I can well understand plenty of other supporters getting p****ed off at the attention we get when we've won bugger all domestically for 54 years and absolutely nowt for 40 years.
So why do the media come looking for us? Why did we dominate national tragedies and national issues yesterday?
Honestly WHY??
I would love to know because it certainly aint of our doing that's for sure.
But of course the media, and the general public, just love a 'whipping boy' and until we win a major trophy I suppose we are that 'whipping boy' for the sports media and many non Toon fans.
And every other supporter (as much as I enjoy the banter) should bear that in mind.
Colin Parker
Black & White Through & Through
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I've missed out on this thread over the last couple of days but it has certainly brightened up my Friday!
I've just had a heated debate with one of my mates about this, the Blackburn supporter I mentioned in an earlier post. One of my mates who is a Sunderland supporter was also present, we drew him pictures as some of the dialogue was a bit over his head (you know what Mackems are like) so he could keep up.
He was comparing Blackburn to Newcastle.He argued the point that they were Premiership Champions over a decade ago and history won't change that. Had some decent cup runs etc which are fair points.
But surely the otherside of it is that they have also been relegated, still have not shown any ambition with getting out of or re-developing Ewood Park and have a small attendance week in week out. They can have all the trophies they like, it hasn't done them much good in the long term. I bet Blackburn would love 53000 at every home game. I know what I would rather.
Newcastle have the best fans in the Premiership and probably England. We don't do things easily and thats probably why we have haven't won anything in so long,simple as and that's why the media love us.
I would still rather be a Newcastle fan than a fan of Bolton, Wigan, Arsenal, Boro, Sunderland, Blackburn, Chelsea. Boring stadiums, boring fans. MK Dons have developed more of a personality in 5 years than any of that bunch combined.
West Ham,Fulham, Villa,West Brom and Pompey fans are pretty fanatical as well. Still about 1500 toon army fans shouted down 18000 + Pompey fans at Fratton Park, that was good fun. The hairs went straight up on the back of my neck.
C'mon lads let's take it to Chelsea this weekend.
I've just had a heated debate with one of my mates about this, the Blackburn supporter I mentioned in an earlier post. One of my mates who is a Sunderland supporter was also present, we drew him pictures as some of the dialogue was a bit over his head (you know what Mackems are like) so he could keep up.
He was comparing Blackburn to Newcastle.He argued the point that they were Premiership Champions over a decade ago and history won't change that. Had some decent cup runs etc which are fair points.
But surely the otherside of it is that they have also been relegated, still have not shown any ambition with getting out of or re-developing Ewood Park and have a small attendance week in week out. They can have all the trophies they like, it hasn't done them much good in the long term. I bet Blackburn would love 53000 at every home game. I know what I would rather.
Newcastle have the best fans in the Premiership and probably England. We don't do things easily and thats probably why we have haven't won anything in so long,simple as and that's why the media love us.
I would still rather be a Newcastle fan than a fan of Bolton, Wigan, Arsenal, Boro, Sunderland, Blackburn, Chelsea. Boring stadiums, boring fans. MK Dons have developed more of a personality in 5 years than any of that bunch combined.
West Ham,Fulham, Villa,West Brom and Pompey fans are pretty fanatical as well. Still about 1500 toon army fans shouted down 18000 + Pompey fans at Fratton Park, that was good fun. The hairs went straight up on the back of my neck.
C'mon lads let's take it to Chelsea this weekend.
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I have a list in front of me that shows me how many and which clubs are financially viable ... there are ten of them that pass this criteria ie lenders would lend to them ... and the ten are spread over all of the leagues not just the premiership and suprise, surprise Newcastle are NOT there whilst Blackburn are!!
Hell not that I am a Blackburn fan (I have washed my mouth out!) in fact my club is also on that list, but for all the whinging above about how great their fans are etc ... perhaps its time you asked details, ie why is your club struggling yet you claim to have such large gate receipts?? Bad money management somewhere there me thinks!!
Hell not that I am a Blackburn fan (I have washed my mouth out!) in fact my club is also on that list, but for all the whinging above about how great their fans are etc ... perhaps its time you asked details, ie why is your club struggling yet you claim to have such large gate receipts?? Bad money management somewhere there me thinks!!
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JustOneUK
Liked that!I hope he does well. Odd to see a pundit actually have to back up his opinion. Should be very interesting.
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The thing in their favour is there are alot of teams in the relegation battle, it's not going to take many wins to pull out of the relegation zone. 7 games left, 4 wins and they will be comfortable, 3 and they might survive.
Apart from away to Liverpool all the matches left are distinctly winable.
ps I'm a Spurs fan so no bias on what happens to them.
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Not sure where you're coming from with that analysis.
Next match is away to Stoke and I would put odds on that they don't win that one.
They then have Tottenham away, Portsmouth home, Liverpool away, Middlesboro and Fulham at Home and finally Villa away.
I can see them winning no more than two of those
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Not sure where you're coming from with that analysis.
Next match is away to Stoke and I would put odds on that they don't win that one.
They then have Tottenham away, Portsmouth home, Liverpool away, Middlesboro and Fulham at Home and finally Villa away.
I can see them winning no more than two of those
They should be favourites against Portsmouth at home. Boro home should be a win. Fulham and Villa will probaby be games against teams with nothing to play for.
9 points from those 4 games and I can see them overtaking Sunderland.
So, I'd say it's very do-able.
I reckon it'll all come down to whether Shearer can get them organised, motivated and full of belief.
(and what happens to Sunderland, Hull and Portsmough)
Steve
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These are the two games that I think they may win.
Villa will still be struggling for a UEFA place whilst Fulham have a good current record and will be keen to continue it.......As high a position as possible is what they have to play for.
As I stated I cannot see them getting more than 6.
Thats not taking into consideration what it might do to the motivation of the other teams though.
Hull have 5 points advantage on Newcastle already and Portsmouth have 4 points plus a game in hand.
At the moment it comes down to 2 out of 3
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Not sure where you're coming from with that analysis.
Next match is away to Stoke and I would put odds on that they don't win that one.
They then have Tottenham away, Portsmouth home, Liverpool away, Middlesboro and Fulham at Home and finally Villa away.
I can see them winning no more than two of those
I just see them having the backs against the wall attitude that will be needed. Stoke away will not be a pretty game but it is winable, as especially are portsmouth, boro and fulham. Then you look at spurs whose season looks all over and villa you by then should be lloking comfortable 5th. I wouldnt bet against the barcodes wining last game of the season to stay up.
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monthlylocal
Tad flat, that learning curve?
Problem is Newcastle fans will never learn. The ironic thing is that if they actually realised that they are currently just an average club and the fans began to have realistic expectations, then they might find they start to progress slowly but surely. People need to accept success won't happen overnight, but it takes a good few seasons to build.
Until then, unfortunately they will continue to be the joke of the football world. Which is a shame because they could be a great club if their own fans gave them the opportunity to build something.
Bringing Keegan back didn't work and I'm afraid I don't think Shearer will work out either.
If they go down to the Fizzy-pop I can see them having big big trouble.
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Come on lets get the rumour mill on the go and hand out a load of football related abuse to each other
NUFC
The word is that there will not be a huge amount of money available. Free transfers and bargains will be the order of the day. The names I've heard banded about so far are Sol Campbell, David Wheater,Andy Surman, Jermaine Pennant and Peter Crouch (or in other words whoever Pompey firesale off to balance their books)
Hilariously Ameobi qualifies for a testimonial at the end of the next season. I think he is currently on about 80 appearances with 5 goals in ten years. Statistically this makes him one of our most consistent performers (you think I'm joking) but by all accounts Hull are after him. I will drive him there myself if required.
Boro
Looks as though 'boro are planning for the Championship next season. Rumour has it Jason Scotland will be partnering Marlon King up front. Mark Viduka poses more of a threat when he is injured then them two ever will combined.
Sunderland
LOL
Hull
Shola, Kieron Richardson, Barry Ferguson
Lets get the wheel spinning....
NUFC
The word is that there will not be a huge amount of money available. Free transfers and bargains will be the order of the day. The names I've heard banded about so far are Sol Campbell, David Wheater,Andy Surman, Jermaine Pennant and Peter Crouch (or in other words whoever Pompey firesale off to balance their books)
Hilariously Ameobi qualifies for a testimonial at the end of the next season. I think he is currently on about 80 appearances with 5 goals in ten years. Statistically this makes him one of our most consistent performers (you think I'm joking) but by all accounts Hull are after him. I will drive him there myself if required.
Boro
Looks as though 'boro are planning for the Championship next season. Rumour has it Jason Scotland will be partnering Marlon King up front. Mark Viduka poses more of a threat when he is injured then them two ever will combined.
Sunderland
LOL
Hull
Shola, Kieron Richardson, Barry Ferguson
Lets get the wheel spinning....
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Having written them off in my mind, I now get the feeling Boro will stay up.
They're a team capable of playing well (and getting points) from the top teams, but have a tendency to not turn up.
They won a crunch game last weekend. Is that a sign they're willing to fight each match from now on? If so, I suspect they'll save themselves.
The Hull v Sunderland game could be the turning point for one of these two teams - a win might stop the freefall - and curtains for the other.
Interesting stuff.
Steve
They're a team capable of playing well (and getting points) from the top teams, but have a tendency to not turn up.
They won a crunch game last weekend. Is that a sign they're willing to fight each match from now on? If so, I suspect they'll save themselves.
The Hull v Sunderland game could be the turning point for one of these two teams - a win might stop the freefall - and curtains for the other.
Interesting stuff.
Steve
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GaryMc
How is he going to do that when he is playing in the Premier League for the mighty Swans?
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Fernhurst Solutions Ltd
I would agree, unless your team is one of those hovering above the trap door ..... then it isnt so enjoyable.
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How is he going to do that when he is playing in the Premier League for the mighty Swans?
You never know mate. If Shearer doesn't take the Toon job then I want Martinez as our new manager.
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I think it will be a case of too little too late for Boro. It's a shame because they have a lot of exciting young English players and I would love to see them stay up for that reason. The fact is they do not have enough experience and I feel that will be their downfall. Couple that with their woeful attacking options (Alliadiare, King, Alves) I don't think they will do it.
I fully agree with you on the Hull and Sunderland match. As a Newcastle fan I hope that this is not a draw and the rot sets in even more so for one of them. It will give us a bit more of a buffer but we still need to get a result at Spurs. It will not be easy but fingers crossed we can get something out of it.
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Now they're odds-on on betfair to go down (approx 1.76). They were slight-odds against when Shearer took over.
However...
Hull have (I believe) gotten nothing in the last 3 games and NU took 1pt from 3 not-so-easy games.
Unless Hull start picking up points (and my predicted Boro revival happens), it won't take that much to get the 4 or 5 points NU need to survive.
Still very open.
Steve
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At the end of the day it's football, pretty much whatever can happen will happen. One club almost always seems to just get out of it when you think they are doomed. Could be Newcastle could be boro.
In away I would prefer Newcastle to be relegated so I can watch them next season!! (live in cardiff and go to alot of their home games even though I am a spurs fan...)
In away I would prefer Newcastle to be relegated so I can watch them next season!! (live in cardiff and go to alot of their home games even though I am a spurs fan...)
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