Advice on Liability

Craig Trevorrow

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Dec 13, 2019
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I have a bit of a long story regarding this problem I currently have so sorry and please bear with me.

I was a 50% partner in my buisiness with my friend owning the other 50%.
We transport cars around Europe on a covered transporter.

My partner at the time accepted a job to deliver 2 cars from the UK to Spain, which he did with our truck and the job was invoiced and paid. When in Spain delivering the cars to the owner, the owner said he will want the cars returning to the UK in about 3 months. My partner said to email him when he knew dates and he would try and arrange coming back to pick them up.

Since this my Buisiness partner had a lot of personal problems and after a couple of weeks of him only helping the buisiness part time it was decided that he couldn't carry on and we negotiated a price for him to leave the buisiness and I took his 50% shares.
After this I received a phone call from the customer who's cars were in Spain asking why his cars had not been collected. It turns out he had come back and emailed my now ex-buisiness partner to arrange them to come back. I have seen the emails between them and the customer basically says the cars are ready to come back to the UK anytime from the 27th of August, my ex-buisiness partner only reply's to him saying that he is getting jobs and dates together to try and go out to Spain for the 27th and he will let them know.

Then there is another email from the customer to my ex-buisiness partner on the 02/09/19 asking for an update to see if he can collect the cars.

I then get involved on the 05/09/19 as I am now the sole director, I apologise for everything and look for solutions for the customer. He only paid a discounted rate to take the cars down to Spain as it was part of a round trip and he only wants to pay the same to bring them back, which doesn't come close to covering half the costs of the job.

I ask another transport company who regularly goes to Spain from the UK if he could bring them back for the owner and he gives me a price and rough dates he could have the cars collected, so I pass this onto the customer via email to say I cant collect his cars for the price he wants to pay but I have found a company that could if that was ok for him, to which he agrees.

Then the company didn't pick his cars up when they said so he got back on to me, I asked if I could fly out with another driver and drive the cars back and he tells me one of his cars has a fault showing it has a flat tyre on the dash so he would prefer it to be transported. I finally get hold of the other transporter company who apologises and gives another collection date. The owner of the cars is happy to wait another week.

When the cars come back into the UK on a transporter on the 16/10/19 they go to a different location than the owners house, he has trackers on them. so he asks me why and I say I don't know I don't have any control as its not my company or truck doing the job but I said I would make some phone calls to find out what is happening. I get no answer for a couple of hours.

I then get a call off the owner explaining that he has followed his tracker and one car is in a body shop and the other is in a farmyard covered in mud. He is obviously very annoyed and shouting and swearing at me down the phone, his last words to me were I'm suing you over this.

Now it turns out the company who said they could do the job actually asked another company to do it, this 3rd company admits they damaged a wheel, tyre and put a dent in the boot of one car that was in the body shop being repaired and the other car was in a farm yard as that is where he stores his trucks and he will be washing the car before it is returned to the owner.

Now on 10/12/19 I have received an email with 4 bills attached, one for a new wheel, one for 3 new tyre pressure sensors, one for 4 wheels to be refurbished and one for a brand new boot lid and all the costs to fit and paint it. and they want me to pay as the say 'the contract was with your company to collect the cars'


I'd appreciate any advice you can offer me as to who is responsible to pay these bills, 2 of these bills are not associated with any damage caused by the transporter so he is obviously not going to pay them and he has said he has already paid to repair the dent in the boot and the wheel etc

Also the customer has not paid any money for the return of his vehicles.
 
Does he have any kind of contract with either of the other two companies or has all the communications been via you? Were you expecting him to pay you and you then pay the subcontracted company or were you expecting him to pay the other company directly?
 
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Does he have any kind of contract with either of the other two companies or has all the communications been via you? Were you expecting him to pay you and you then pay the subcontracted company or were you expecting him to pay the other company directly?
He didn't have any contact with them, he has just been chasing them through me, I was just trying to keep him happy and nothing was said about how the job was going to be paid for, I wasn't looking to make anything on the job, so the company who moved the cars could have invoiced for the job as far as I was concerned
 
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If he has only spoken to you, how can the other company have invoiced him?

If he paid you for a round trip, then you've been paid already. If you didn't agree any additional charges then there is nothing for him to pay.

You have a contract, it just may not be in writing. The emails, the fact that you collected his car and arranged for their return is clear evidence of a contract.

When you arranged for the other companies to collect the cars, did you pay them? Do you have a contract with them?

What about your insurance, will it cover this?
 
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If he has only spoken to you, how can the other company have invoiced him?

If he paid you for a round trip, then you've been paid already. If you didn't agree any additional charges then there is nothing for him to pay.

You have a contract, it just may not be in writing. The emails, the fact that you collected his car and arranged for their return is clear evidence of a contract.

When you arranged for the other companies to collect the cars, did you pay them? Do you have a contract with them?

What about your insurance, will it cover this?

He only paid us for the 'outward trip'. I was expecting him to arrange payment with the other company when he received his car from them.

I have Spoken to my insurers and they only cover damage caused by me or my vehicles, which after speaking with other companies regarding this they have all said the same. Only the company who moved the cars would be able to claim off their insurance.
 
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I also have the problem that he is sending bills for work to his cars that have nothing to do with any damage that was caused on the transporter. The company who did the damage has said to me and the owner when he collected his car from them that they admit damaging his vehicle and have had it repaired so they believe they haven't been paid for the job and have spent £1,000 to have his vehicle repaired already.
 
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He only paid a discounted rate to take the cars down to Spain as it was part of a round trip and he only wants to pay the same to bring them back, which doesn't come close to covering half the costs of the job.

You quoted and agreed a round trip, not one way.

If the car owner hasn't spoken to the other company, only you, he can't have agreed to any price with them.

You took the order and subcontracted it out. You are liable for everything.

You should be able to chase the company that you subcontracted to for some of the costs, but that will depend on what contract you had with them.

If the car was damaged, the driver wasn't notified and they tried to repair it, I'd say that the car owner has a fair claim to get this fixed again to the standard he wants.

What car was it?
 
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Afraid to say it sounds like it is all down to the OP.

I understand originall it was a one way trip, but after finding the other company for a cheap return you should have put them in touch and had nothing more to do with it. By arranging things for the client it falls to you, he was dealing with you.

I am just amazed that no payment or contract was put in place by anyone, I am not surprised this has now caused problems.
 
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Afraid to say it sounds like it is all down to the OP.

I understand originall it was a one way trip, but after finding the other company for a cheap return you should have put them in touch and had nothing more to do with it. By arranging things for the client it falls to you, he was dealing with you.

I am just amazed that no payment or contract was put in place by anyone, I am not surprised this has now caused problems.

It’s been a massive lesson for me regarding not having any involvement on work my own company is not doing. I was trying to help him out as it was my ex business partners poor communication to both me and him, that left him with his cars stuck down in Spain. I have always just refused the work if I couldn’t do it with our own equipment and drivers.

I’m going to look into having a contract drawn up where I can change certain parts like dates, vehicles and locations to try and avoid future problems.

He is having someone look over it his side to see where they think liability lands. Which is going to lead me onto another question. If he comes back and says I am liable, would I take the original cost of the job off the bill? I.e the job was £3,000 and the bill was £5,000 would this reduce the bill to £2,000? (Just using example numbers). Would I then be able to claim the £2,000 from the company that did the damage?
Thanks for all your views
 
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