Pension drawdown fees

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I've hit the age of wind down and have started to tap into my private pension pot ahead of the State pension kicking in. At which point I will reassess how I utilise the pension fund. The pension fund is a SIPP managed by a financial advisor so incurs fees from the SIPP manager (0.5%) and the financial advisor company (0.5%). I have received a letter advising the financial advisor outfit is raising fees to 0.75% and raising the minimum to £2,250 per annum.

While the pension pot remains largely intact the 0.5% FA cut is over the minimum charge, As drawdown commences then the minimum charge will come into play. I have modelled the impact of the proposed FA charges hike:

At current drawdown (pre State Pension age) the pot will expire two years earlier under the new higher charges structure, at 79 rather than 81. I don't actually plan on maintaining the current drawdown levels once the State pension starts but this illustrates how the higher charges will impact the fund duration.

The FA fees will be 0.75% of the fund value at the outset rising to 20% in the final year of drawdown.


Assumption for the modelling - Conservative average growth of 4.5% p.a. and inflation average 3%.


I have advised the FA I'm not impressed by a 50% rise in fees that could end my pension 2 years earlier or the track to 20% charges over the drawdown period as the pot is consumed. The FA currently us Brookes McDonald managed fund options and they have consistently topped performance indices. I do have private investments in stock, ETF, commodities and currency set up in 2021 that have compound annual growth of 13.8% so a performance similar to the managed fund so I could, with some confidence manage my own funds where charges range 0.1% to 1%. The self managed option would need me to do some serious options research before moving the pension funds or just sacking off the FA but if I have one thing available now, it is time.

Any input from pensions experts would make enlightened reading.
 
Cant help you on the adviser question, but one tax bit worth factoring in if you are still earning anything at all: once you take taxable income out of the drawdown pot, rather than just the tax free cash, the amount you can put back into a pension each year drops to £10,000. It catches out a lot of people who wind down gradually instead of stopping outright.
 
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What is the FA doing for the fees?

Why not just keep the SIPP and manage it yourself (this might show my lack of knowledge in this area)?
 
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What is the FA doing for the fees?

Why not just keep the SIPP and manage it yourself (this might show my lack of knowledge in this area)?
The FA job is to switch the fund manager around. The SIPP manager has their own managed offering that underperform the FA recommended funds by quite a way. So, the FA route does add value, just not 20%. I estimate that the FA is worth 1.5% to 2% a year over just a HL or AJ Bell managed SIPP. So, I have kind of factored in it'll be about year 4 when the FA fees overtake their added value.
 
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Your own investments are matching the FA returns. That says a lot.

Put it all in a low fee fund (I'm paying 0.31% with AJ Bell) and forget about it. They have many funds, etc., you can invest in with a SIPP, not just a "managed SIPP", so I don't believe you can't match your current FA, or get very close to it.

Or stick it in a tracker. They will beat the vast majority of managers. look what's happened to Terry Smith. Once a star, he has not managed to beat cash over the past 5 years. The game has changed with far fewer managed v tracker funds.

Make sure you are diversified enough to weather the coming AI driven crash.
 
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Have a look at transfering your sipp to a global index tracker with someone like Interactive investor and see what the projection looks like.

Other funds and platforms may offer differ / better options.
 
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@Business News Wouldn't claim to be a pension expert but have been doing lots of research for past 12 months. There is a superb forum called Pensioncraft which is full of useful information and very informed individuals. A big theme on the Pensioncraft forum is to keep fees as low as possible because higher fees dont tend to lead to higher returns. You may find this interesting - https://youtu.be/WyiciqEiy-E?si=ur5ZfxNvuyKYUXjn
 
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I'll check out the pensioncraft forum. The main decision is going to be mixed stocks with ETF's or all ETF's. I've started moving more into ETF's and away from stocks as I've got older and the returns particularly on trackers has been impressive in recent years. It is probably an advisable path to lower the overall risk score (it has always been and still is high risk) as well heading into the draw down years.

On a very quick trawl around it seems the best options for ETF and stock SIPP, either self select of risk graded would be with Hargraves Lansdown, AJ Bell or Vanguard with fees ranging from 0.4% to 0.15%. Fidelity are relatively expensive and have uninspiring levels of performance.

It does look like the insertion of strong FA fees are a bit of a luxury item especially when HL get strong praise for breadth of offering, customer service and support. I already have a HL investment account with a mix of ETF and stock decent size holding. I also hold Vanguard ETF's on other investment platforms that have been more than decent investments.
 
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A quick look at Trading 212 and the FCA site mentions there are lots of scam clone close named sites to this company that have caught a lot of people out. I take it the link you provided is the the real proper company site?

Reviews seem to suggest that withdrawing money can be difficult.
 
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I have four accounts with them, never any issues very secure, transferring money in and out is never a problem.

I would also add there are scam sites for everything from banks to shopping websites so do your homework
 
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The FA has devised a cunning plan I think. They now advise that they will treat my and my wife's holdings as one unit for charging purposes so effectively avoiding the minimum charge burden on roughly equal fund sizes because the percentage fee will be in place for the foreseeable. This arrangement means lower charges for us both as we draw down but helps lock me in because if I move then my wife ends up with the full pile on from the higher fees. I had suggested in an email that if I take time out to do the research and become a financial expert then I'd offer my services freely to the wider family. Seems this may have prompted a rethink?

A cute ploy.
 
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The FA job is to switch the fund manager around. The SIPP manager has their own managed offering that underperform the FA recommended funds by quite a way. So, the FA route does add value, just not 20%. I estimate that the FA is worth 1.5% to 2% a year over just a HL or AJ Bell managed SIPP. So, I have kind of factored in it'll be about year 4 when the FA fees overtake their added value.
You may be surprised at what impact a seemingly small fee can have on your long term investments...

 
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