Alan Shearer takes over Newcastle United..
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Colin Parker
Wanna bet £10,000 on that?
Or even better - you give me £1,000 for every 1,000 average gate we have over 35,000 even if we get relegated and I'll give you £1,000 for every 1,000 under.
So come on then BIG MOUTH have you got the a**e to bet?
Colin Parker
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Well, I think that Shearer's a cracking lad but he doesn't have what it takes. As much as it pains me to say it, they will go down, just hope that they don't fall into free fall.
FWIW, I think that they'll still continue to sell out St James' every week.
And no, I'm not a Geordie, just a neutral independent
Mister B
FWIW, I think that they'll still continue to sell out St James' every week.
And no, I'm not a Geordie, just a neutral independent
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Well I think it is a good appointment for both the barcodes and Mr Shearer ... the great saviour!
Anyway, back to reality - IF they manage to stay up I'm sure all we will get all summer is about how Newcastle will be back as a force in the English game - were they ever?. ... Last throw of the dice by Mike (I'm a Spurs fan really) Ashley - lets hope they do a Leeds!
Anyway, back to reality - IF they manage to stay up I'm sure all we will get all summer is about how Newcastle will be back as a force in the English game - were they ever?. ... Last throw of the dice by Mike (I'm a Spurs fan really) Ashley - lets hope they do a Leeds!
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SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
He's got nothing to lose. The lion has come back to rule over his pride. Will we stay up? I really don't know but I don't think he can do any worse. If he gets wastes of space like Duff, Geremi, Barton, Viduka, Ameobi, Cacapa, Smith etc at least looking like footballers we have given ourselves a chance, because that is Shearer.
Cut him open and he will bleed black and white and I'm sure that is what he will try and instill in the squad. The question is will he have enough time?
He's got nothing to lose. The lion has come back to rule over his pride. Will we stay up? I really don't know but I don't think he can do any worse. If he gets wastes of space like Duff, Geremi, Barton, Viduka, Ameobi, Cacapa, Smith etc at least looking like footballers we have given ourselves a chance, because that is Shearer.
Cut him open and he will bleed black and white and I'm sure that is what he will try and instill in the squad. The question is will he have enough time?
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Colin Parker
Oh REALLY?
Just like it was unbelievably stupid when we appointed another untried manager and former NUFC legend when we were staring relegation to the old Third Division in the face back in the early 90's?
That man was Kevin Keegan and the following year we won the 2nd Division with a record number of points, finished in the top 6 in the Premier League and nearly won the Premiership two years later.
Ask every Premiership Chairman if he agrees with your 'unbelievably stupid' comment or any fans of another Premiership club reading this ... ask your Chairman ... do you want to lose the 6,000 - 10,000 NUFC fans who pack your ground out, fill your coffers and create a fantastic atmosphere when we visit your club?
Ask your Chairman if HE thinks we are a not BIG CLUB ...
And let me tell any football fans this; there is no other club in the World, not Man U, not Liverpool, not Real Madrid, not Barcelona, not Inter Milan, not Bayern Munich not ANY club anywhere that could have gone over 50 years (since 1955 to be exact) without winning any domestic trophy (not even a League Cup, never mind an FA Cup or Championship) and STILL get 50,000 supporters cramming into the ground every home game for the past 15 years.
And before you start ... even during this horrendous, disastrous season there has never been a league gate under 40,000 and STILL we go away in our 1,000's to support the Lads away.
Now you may say that has absolute zilch to do with our ability to stay in the Premiership ... but you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
Because, just like when Keegan took over a relegation bound team with just games to go, the roof will come off St James Park on Saturday. 30 games of sheer frustration and crushing disappointment will be forgotten and 53,000 Geordies will support this club over the next 8 games like nothing the football world has ever seen.
And, even if we go down, at least 40,000 of us will be back in August and if Shearer stays even if we go down there will be sell out 53,000 crowds packing St James Park even in the Championship.
But ... if we stay up ... I will be one of those 53,000 ramming it down the throats of the likes of Mr Steve 'unbelieveably stupid' Gibson.
Let's just see who turns out to be 'unbelievably stupid' the likes of Mr Gibson or Alan Shearer. I know where my money lies.
Colin Parker
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And so it begins ... who cares how many fans go through the turnstile, its about winning things my friend. History reflects on winning teams, competing in Europe, etc.
All I can say is, were did Shearer win the league?
Blackburn win my vote for dullest fans (yes even worse than boro), worst stadium and most boring away trip.
I'm only winding you up mate (one of my best mates is a Blackburn fan, I love trying out new material).
You can't put a price on a packed St James' Park. It really is something special and something the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, City and Arsenal could never buy.
Stuff it,despite my misgivings I'm feeling that good that I think we are going to stay up. This is the best news we could have had
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Gosh, it's not like a Newcastle fan to have no sense of perspective and get very worked up about football...
Over the last dozen years or so, only 3 managers have won the English premier league. Each of them had a track record before they were hired.
Ferguson started at the bottom with East Stirling.
(and, if you've ever been to Firs Park, you'll know what I mean by "bottom")
Then St Mirren, before winning the league, cup, cup winners cup etc with Aberdeen. Only then did he get the job at Man U.
Wenger had won the league and cup with Monaco before being hired by Arsenal. (with a spell in Japan in between)
Mourinho had won the European Cup, UEFA cup, Portuguese league before getting the Chelsea job.
That how big clubs tend to do it: they hire someone proven.
What Newcastle are doing is hiring someone who isn't just unproven, but hasn't even shown the willingness to learn his trade.
If Shearer really wanted to be a manager, he would have gone into management when he retired, not into TV.
He would have been happy to have started at the bottom, like Ferguson or Mourinho and learned his craft either as a low level manager or as an assistant.
And, if he was any good, he would have risen up the ranks.
But, he didn't do that.
Instead he used his mates in the media to build up a campaign for him to start at the top where Newcastle United are taking a gamble on him.
And, one of the big problems with Newcastle is that they're stupid enough to take that gamble.
The clubs that win things aren't. And that's the difference.
As for "ramming it down my throat" (no thanks), you'll have to also ram it down the throats of almost every football fan in the country.
And, doesn't that tell you something about how illogical this decision was?
As for this silliness:
Have a look at the "location" on my posts. I live in Scotland, you tool.
Who exactly is this "my chairman" person you're referring to?
Steve
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Tad flat, that learning curve?
Steve
PS I thought the magic beans article was excellent:
"Why waste money on an experienced manager with a good track record who knows how to get the best out of an unremarkable squad when you can just some chuck some magic beans into the garden and see what happens next?"
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Colin Parker
Gosh, it's not like a Newcastle fan to have no sense of perspective and get very worked up about football...
Over the last dozen years or so, only 3 managers have won the English premier league. Each of them had a track record before they were hired.
Ferguson started at the bottom with East Stirling.
(and, if you've ever been to Firs Park, you'll know what I mean by "bottom")
Then St Mirren, before winning the league, cup, cup winners cup etc with Aberdeen. Only then did he get the job at Man U.
Wenger had won the league and cup with Monaco before being hired by Arsenal. (with a spell in Japan in between)
Mourinho had won the European Cup, UEFA cup, Portuguese league before getting the Chelsea job.
That how big clubs tend to do it: they hire someone proven.
What Newcastle are doing is hiring someone who isn't just unproven, but hasn't even shown the willingness to learn his trade.
If Shearer really wanted to be a manager, he would have gone into management when he retired, not into TV.
He would have been happy to have started at the bottom, like Ferguson or Mourinho and learned his craft either as a low level manager or as an assistant.
And, if he was any good, he would have risen up the ranks.
But, he didn't do that.
Instead he used his mates in the media to build up a campaign for him to start at the top where Newcastle United are taking a gamble on him.
And, one of the big problems with Newcastle is that they're stupid enough to take that gamble.
The clubs that win things aren't. And that's the difference.
As for "ramming it down my throat" (no thanks), you'll have to also ram it down the throats of almost every football fan in the country.
And, doesn't that tell you something about how illogical this decision was?
As for this silliness:
Have a look at the "location" on my posts. I live in Scotland, you tool.
Who exactly is this "my chairman" person you're referring to?
Steve
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Dont you feel deep down though that it is a last throw of the dice by Mike Ashley? If you go down and subsequently you dont take the fizzy-pop league by storm where does this leave you as a club - its now obvious that there is nobody out there who wants to buy the club (for the asking price). It would be interesting the know what clauses Mr Shearer has in his contract, cos you can be sure he will and won't want to come away from this with egg on his face when he either resigns or gets the sack - which WILL happen as some point.
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I didn't forget the win, I just couldn't remember who the manager was.
A quick google and it was King Kenny.
(people could point out that Dalgleish was unproven when he won the league as player-manager for Liverpool)
Steve
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Colin Parker
Steve - how can you forget the second team to win the Premier League ... we also had a proven manager. Its funny how people / media seem to wash over the fact that an unfashionable club won the greatest league in the world - history, it can NEVER be taken away!
Mr Gibson gets loads of things wrong.
Colin Parker
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Boy, talk about bitter...
You don't see the bigger picture here? Or are you just being disingenuous?
Do you really think I'm the only one that think this decision is a gamble that's not worthy of a big club?
(as was bringing Kinnear and Keegan out of retirement in recent years)
(1) Newcastle hire managers no-one else wants.
(2) Over the last 40 years, Newcastle have the worst record of all the big clubs in England.
I suspect most football fans think the two things are related.
Clearly you don't.
Steve
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Ah yes, the passion and the angst of the run-in.
I was drawn down here all the way from the Internet forums by the smell of Pukka Pies and bovril.
The point as I see it, is can Shearer instill the same fire and passion into a team of lets face it, under-performers?
Fact is there are some good players at the toon. But obviously the management have never gotten the best out of them for one reason or another, (Joe Kinnear? C'mon, they could have done better).
Duff, Smith, Martins, dare I say Michael Owen etc, are good players. Maybe not great, but certainly better than your average "fizzy pop" (not heard that one before..thanks) league player.
Fact is there isn't another person on this planet right now, which the toon army would like to have seen installed as gaffer.
The one thing mike ashley needed above all else was to keep the crowd on side, and this is a no-brainer so far as thats concerned.
I'm just waiting on the appointment of gazza in some capacity too.
No one has the god-given right to play premiership footy, but it would be a real shame to see the geordies go down.
My team have had some ding dongs with them over the years, (Liverpool - the true capital of Wales), and it would be a real shame to see them drop.
Once you get down there, every team wants to take you apart to prove a point and as the Leeds example illustrates perfectly, it can be a long way back.
Good luck Big Al and the toon.
I was drawn down here all the way from the Internet forums by the smell of Pukka Pies and bovril.
The point as I see it, is can Shearer instill the same fire and passion into a team of lets face it, under-performers?
Fact is there are some good players at the toon. But obviously the management have never gotten the best out of them for one reason or another, (Joe Kinnear? C'mon, they could have done better).
Duff, Smith, Martins, dare I say Michael Owen etc, are good players. Maybe not great, but certainly better than your average "fizzy pop" (not heard that one before..thanks) league player.
Fact is there isn't another person on this planet right now, which the toon army would like to have seen installed as gaffer.
The one thing mike ashley needed above all else was to keep the crowd on side, and this is a no-brainer so far as thats concerned.
I'm just waiting on the appointment of gazza in some capacity too.
No one has the god-given right to play premiership footy, but it would be a real shame to see the geordies go down.
My team have had some ding dongs with them over the years, (Liverpool - the true capital of Wales), and it would be a real shame to see them drop.
Once you get down there, every team wants to take you apart to prove a point and as the Leeds example illustrates perfectly, it can be a long way back.
Good luck Big Al and the toon.
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Colin Parker
You have a habit Mr Gibson of being rather rude and arrogant in your posts.
Make a comment by all means but to use the words 'unbelievably stupid' and 'typically stupid' are actually words that can be turned on the person who so uttered.
I am not bitter by a long, long way.
I just don't suffer rude and arrogant people.
Or people who call me a 'tool'.
Colin Parker
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Who was I being "rude" to?
I made comments about Newcastle United and you took them personally.
You're not Newcastle United. So, maybe you should get a grip?
Obviously, my point is getting through to you, so let me use an analogy:
In the "Gorilla marketing" (sic) thread, you wrote the following:
A very good, logical point.
I feel that, to use the same logic, by not taking a job with a smaller club, Shearer is asking Newcastle to fund an test - the test being: "is Shearer going to be a good manager?"
We've no idea what the result will be, but most managers aren't good enough
to manage a successful premiership club, so we've got to say the odds are very much against him.
If, instead, Newcastle had chosen a manager that was, to use your words, "tried, tested and proven", they'd be far more likely to succeed.
So, it's an illogical decision, to say the very least.
(I'd say "stupid")
And, I think it would have made more sense if Newcastle had insisted that Shearer test was conducted on a far smaller scale. (by managing a lower division team)
If that had produced a positive result, they could have hired him with far less risk.
It's like marketing: you don't stick all your money into mailing an untested letter. You test it small and, if it works, you try it on a bigger scale.
That way you don't get wiped out. It's the logical approach.
But, that sort of logic seems to be missing in the Newcastle boardroom. And, I suspect that's a large part of why they've underperformed this century.
Steve
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Colin Parker
So, who is the 'tool' you are referring to?
My opinion is that you have one of least desirable human traits, you are arrogant.
And nothing you write in your diatribes will make me think anything different. You of course are the same Mr. Gibson who told me in a previous thread to 'stop this nonsense'. And you know what ... I STILL can't find your name on the moderators list. So how come you can tell ANYONE to stop expressing their opinions??
People like you make me laugh. You really do.
And don't bother scribbling another lengthy, banal, self centred reply.
You've bored me rigid.
Colin Parker
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You.
You were the person who, prior to that, said you'd "ram it down my throat".
I don't know what "it" is, but it seemed like a very unpleasant - and violent - metaphor to use against someone just because they think a football team made a stupid decision.
So, I'll suggest you get the hell off your high horse.
If you don't like personal remarks, don't make them in the first place.
Steve
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Colin Parker
No, according to Mr. Gibson I (not NUFC) am the 'tool'.
Actually, I have now decided to take being called a tool as a compliment.
Because tools are very useful.
Unlike Mr. Gibson.
Colin Parker
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So you play for your local side then Mr Tool?
Are you a Writer?
Because some copywriters like Trott
Think short lines
Are really cool
Rather than tedious or trite.
Dawg
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Colin Parker
Mr. Gibson has announced that NUFC's problems have been caused by employing 'inexperienced' managers.
Now ... let's just look at our managers over the past 15 years ...
Dalglish won the title with 2 clubs + cups etc.,, Souness won trophies in Scotland and England, Robson won trophies at home and abroad, Gullit was experienced ... what the IS he on about??
Even Roeder, Allardyce and Kinnear were 'experienced'.
Only 3 managers have won the Premiership (does he mean they are the only PROVEN experienced ones) that means Ferguson, Wenger or Mourinho - and I have to admit we have no chance of any of them managing the Toon.
But ... if they are the only PROVEN managers - no team, NO TEAM, who cannot appoint one of those 3 can appoint a PROVEN Premiership manager.
And of course it also means NO TEAM in Premiership history who has not appointed one of these 3 has ever appointed a PROVEN manager.
We have appointed one inexperienced manager in the past 20 years - Keegan - and he is arguably the most successful of any of the managers I mentioned previously with the possible exception of the great Bobby Robson (God bless him).
Which was EXACTLY my point about Shearer.
As usual Mr. Gibson has got it TOTALLY WRONG.
I rest my case ... completely and utterly.
Colin Parker
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Now ... let's just look at our managers over the past 15 years ...
Dalglish won the title with 2 clubs + cups etc.,, Souness won trophies in Scotland and England, Robson won trophies at home and abroad, Gullit was experienced ... what the IS he on about??
Even Roeder, Allardyce and Kinnear were 'experienced'.
Only 3 managers have won the Premiership (does he mean they are the only PROVEN experienced ones) that means Ferguson, Wenger or Mourinho - and I have to admit we have no chance of any of them managing the Toon.
But ... if they are the only PROVEN managers - no team, NO TEAM, who cannot appoint one of those 3 can appoint a PROVEN Premiership manager.
And of course it also means NO TEAM in Premiership history who has not appointed one of these 3 has ever appointed a PROVEN manager.
We have appointed one inexperienced manager in the past 20 years - Keegan - and he is arguably the most successful of any of the managers I mentioned previously with the possible exception of the great Bobby Robson (God bless him).
Which was EXACTLY my point about Shearer.
As usual Mr. Gibson has got it TOTALLY WRONG.
I rest my case ... completely and utterly.
Colin Parker
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I think you're so desperate to score points you're willing to make something up and claim I said it.
(Which, given you've not been willing to address the points I actually made, makes sense)
If you can find the point where I said this, I'll give you a grovelling apology.
Steve
P.S. What I actually said was "Newcastle hire managers no-one else wants." and I meant specifically Keegan's return and Joe Kinnear.
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