Wordpress or From-Scratch Websites?

[DontAsk]

I apologise for my misuse of terminology. It comes from how Wordpress blogs and tutorials describe things. For example:

What Is Self-Hosted WordPress? (Expert Explains)

Wondering what a self-hosted WordPress site is? Learn the basics about self-hosted WordPress and how to set your site up in 5 easy steps!

themeisle.com

That might be what Wordpress want to call it but that's not what most people understand by self hosting in the wider sense.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[DontAsk]

If I pay for hosting and use the built in Wordpress installer why do I need a system admin?

You don't, as should be clear from this thread. That's not self hosting.

There are many, many sites giving the definition against one (Wordpress) on what self hosting means.

 

[fisicx]

You don't, as should be clear from this thread. That's not self hosting.

There are many, many sites giving the definition against one (Wordpress) on what self hosting means.

I agree with you. I got it wrong. Managed hosting seems to a better description.

 

[Paul Kelly ICHYB]

One of my hyper local support businesses is a hosting service that offers hosting with an option to self install any (html/php) software or one-click install one of many packages or a simple sign up and log straight into WP (no one click fiddling).

Almost every business I help (and generally speak to) uses a service like this. Sure if you are developing something specific or using non standard software you may go barebones, VPS etc, but they are the real minority.

 

[Paul Carmen]

@ThatDevAaron I'd agree that you want to be on VPS, shared hosting is generally total rubbish. If you do it right, your managed VPS solution has dedicated support and people in place who will harden your VPS server for you, and can supply server side technical and security support 24/7, have individual IPs for sites etc.

The rest of what you say, there is not much grounding in reality. Most people and SMEs will never want to run their own server, VPS or otherwise, nor learn about the technical intricacies or hire anyone who can support them with this. They want to run their business.

WordPress installation is easy, despite what you say, again most SMEs would not have the technical skills in house to spec and manage a bespoke web build, and would not get value for money if they went that way. In the same way, they may not get value for money with a WordPress, Concrete CMS, Drupal, Expression Engine site etc, because they know nothing about it.

This whole thread seems to be just about arguing and sticking to a point. The worldwide stats don't backup your claims, a small hobbyist site is fine hand coded or on a CMS, a big ever changing site is far better on CMS, unless you have a team and the resources to look after your own in house infrastructure.

You do you, but I'd suggest you get some advice and marketing support, as your research and marketing position (as shown in your other thread too) is way off the mark. You also don't seem to know who you're marketing to, or how to convince people, you're certainly going to get limited traction with SMEs and business owners with your current approach.

 

[fisicx]

@Paul Carmen - whilst cheap shared hosting is as you say generally rubbish, if you do your research and find a decent hosting company shared hosting is quite adequate for a small business website (which is most of them).

The problem here is the opening post which pitched Wordpress against a code from scratched website and missed out all the many other options (including the many ways to host a website). There will never be a right answer as it all depends on the business needs.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

@Paul Carmen - whilst cheap shared hosting is as you say generally rubbish, if you do your research and find a decent hosting company shared hosting is quite adequate for a small business website (which is most of them).

The problem here is the opening post which pitched Wordpress against a code from scratched website and missed out all the many other options (including the many ways to host a website). There will never be a right answer as it all depends on the business needs.

It makes sense, that a heavy wordpress user, is so enthusiastic to let us know how good shared hosting is...

You can not win the argument, that shared, is better than dedicated, especially when the price differences usually aren't that different (unless you're getting a manged service, then you obviously can factor in your managed-cost accordingly).

 

[ThatDevAaron]

@Paul Carmen - whilst cheap shared hosting is as you say generally rubbish, if you do your research and find a decent hosting company shared hosting is quite adequate for a small business website (which is most of them).

The problem here is the opening post which pitched Wordpress against a code from scratched website and missed out all the many other options (including the many ways to host a website). There will never be a right answer as it all depends on the business needs.

Also, the fact your website has /wp-admin/ accessible to the worldwide web is exactly why people who aren't tech savvy, need system admins. Imagine all the Chinese IPs constantly trying bruteforces until one works one-day lool.

The same people who think they shouldn't whitelist wp-admin, are the same people who keep their SSH ports wide open while using password authentication

 

[fisicx]

Also, the fact your website has /wp-admin/ accessible to the worldwide web is exactly why people who aren't tech savvy, need system admins. Imagine all the Chinese IPs constantly trying bruteforces until one works one-day lool.

They already try. Thousands of times per day.

It makes sense, that a heavy wordpress user, is so enthusiastic to let us know how good shared hosting is...

Please do not twist my words. Show me where is said shared hosting is good.

You can not win the argument, that shared, is better than dedicated, especially when the price differences usually aren't that different (unless you're getting a manged service, then you obviously can factor in your managed-cost accordingly).

Not trying to win anything. I'm just suggesting that dedicated or VPS is needed for everyone.

But I do agree with you that this is a thread where agreement will never be reached. You sell a bare metal VPS service which works for your target customers. It's not the solution for Wendy selling knitted bobble hats online (using her platform of choice).

 

[ThatDevAaron]

They already try. Thousands of times per day.

Please do not twist my words. Show me where is said shared hosting is good.

Not trying to win anything. I'm just suggesting that dedicated or VPS is needed for everyone.

But I do agree with you that this is a thread where agreement will never be reached. You sell a bare metal VPS service which works for your target customers. It's not the solution for Wendy selling knitted bobble hats online (using her platform of choice).

Wendy sounds like a hobbyist, and I've already stated, my thread is oriented toward SMEs.

They already try. Thousands of times per day.

This is exactly why, what I've been saying is RIGHT, and this is also exactly why you shouldn't take advice from someone who has their admin-area open to the public, and doesn't do anything about it while well knowing there are networks trying to attack them. Chances are, you simply don't know the downsides, and this is exactly why SMEs should run away from wordpress servicers, as that is a easy way to get your website breached, customer data affected, and more, as I've saided numerous times, wordpress servicers are usually of some of the lowest quality, and that isn't me being rude, its a fact.

 

[Paul Carmen]

You can simply block more than X number of failed attempts via WordFence, plus have 2FA on for admin logins.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

You can simply block more than X number of failed attempts via WordFence, plus have 2FA on for admin logins.

Clearly the other guy whos got experience in wordpress doesn't find wordfence that simple.

Block all unauthorized IPs, simple as; ratelimiting isn't a solution, its just a tedious obstacle.

 

[fisicx]

Wendy sounds like a hobbyist, and I've already stated, my thread is oriented toward SMEs.

The definition of SME includes the likes of Wendy.

This is exactly why, what I've been saying is RIGHT, and this is also exactly why you shouldn't take advice from someone who has their admin-area open to the public, and doesn't do anything about it while well knowing there are networks trying to attack them.

The site is well protected with wordfence plus the server has a number of security protocols.

All platforms and many bespoke site can be attacked and often are. This has nothing to do with wordpress - it's the nature of the beast.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

The definition of SME includes the likes of Wendy.

The site is well protected with wordfence plus the server has a number of security protocols.

All platforms and many bespoke site can be attacked and often are. This has nothing to do with wordpress - it's the nature of the beast.

Couldn't be more wrong

I would urge you to not share advice on how to secure your wordpress, or general server, as you've said a few very questionable things.

The reason wordpress is targeted, is because they use the same URL Patterns. If you really did want to secure yourself, simply change /wp-admin/ to /123-admin or something different, these AUTOMATED systems iterate over all domains and ipv4 addresses in the world, and look for COMMON ADMIN PATHS, such as your common as heck WP-ADMIN path, lol.

Your moderator status means you shouldn't really give too much out-of-touch advice, as people may actually follow it lol

 

[fisicx]

I would urge you to not share advice on how to secure your wordpress, or general server, as you've said a few very questionable things.

However, this thread started with is a discussion about wordpress v built-from scratch. It has now veered off in a completely different direction to a discussion about security.

The original advice given is still correct: one is not better than the other. They are just two options out of many. A business will choose the one most suited for their needs.

And an SME can be a bloke washing windows.

"An SME is any organisation that has fewer than 250 employees and a turnover of less than €50 million or a balance sheet total less than €43 million. A breakdown of the different organisation sizes is in the below table."

Small to medium sized enterprise (SME) action plan

www.gov.uk

 

[ThatDevAaron]

However, this thread started with is a discussion about wordpress v built-from scratch. It has now veered off in a completely different direction to a discussion about security.

The original advice given is still correct: one is not better than the other. They are just two options out of many. A business will choose the one most suited for their needs.

And an SME can be a bloke washing windows.

"An SME is any organisation that has fewer than 250 employees and a turnover of less than €50 million or a balance sheet total less than €43 million. A breakdown of the different organisation sizes is in the below table."

Small to medium sized enterprise (SME) action plan

www.gov.uk

I ignored your SME statement earlier for a reason, I said hobbyist, your example was a very small-scale business, regardless, that whole area is dead in the wind while we dissect your current statements

Can you elaborate on:

The original advice given is still correct: one is not better than the other. They are just two options out of many. A business will choose the one most suited for their needs.

As for the thread moving into a different topic, I think its fairly inspired, our discussion evolved into what it is now, as it should. Security isn't a new topic, its all intertwined.

 

[NickGrogan]

I tried to view your website @ThatDevAaron but got a host down error from Cloudflare for https://akhtar.ventures/ip-renting

Do you think all the bots attacking WordPress are not also attacking standard Unix/Linux software/ports and every other piece of software that they can?

The chances of a custom-made piece of software, generally created by the lowest bidder, being more secure than WordPress is laughable.

 

[fisicx]

I ignored your SME statement earlier for a reason, I said hobbyist, your example was a very small-scale business

And included in the definition of an SME. Did you look at the link I posted?

What do you want me to elaborate on? Your opening question gave two choices: Wordpress or Built from scratch.

There are far more options available to any sort of business. You can use a site builder, one of many CMS platforms, umpteen ecommerce platforms, the likes of wix and shopify and anything else currently available for free or at a premium.

This is why there isn't ever going to be a definitive answer to your poll as it is too polarised.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

I tried to view your website @ThatDevAaron but got a host down error from Cloudflare for https://akhtar.ventures/ip-renting

Do you think all the bots attacking WordPress are not also attacking standard Unix/Linux software/ports and every other piece of software that they can?

The chances of a custom-made piece of software, generally created by the lowest bidder, being more secure than WordPress is laughable.

Yeah, we don't use akhtar.ventures anymore, and aren't pushing new updates to the original akhtar.tech website until later this year.

You can simply replace .ventures with .tech: https://akhtar.tech/ip-renting

Do you think all the bots attacking WordPress are not also attacking standard Unix/Linux software/ports and every other piece of software that they can?

I KNOW bots target wordpress, and other pre-made solutions, as the endpoints are already known.

An automated bot doesn't know if my custom-sites admin panel is in /admin, or /abc123/, whereas, it knows exactly where to look for wordpress....

The chances of a custom-made piece of software, generally created by the lowest bidder, being more secure than WordPress is laughable.

Created by the lowest bidder? Who said to use the lowest bidder firstly, secondly, most simple web-tech you get made is more secure than wordpress, as they are made for your exact use-case, whereas wordpress is filled with 1000 little things for every little thing you may, or may not need (#bloatware).

 

[ThatDevAaron]

I tried to view your website @ThatDevAaron but got a host down error from Cloudflare for https://akhtar.ventures/ip-renting

Do you think all the bots attacking WordPress are not also attacking standard Unix/Linux software/ports and every other piece of software that they can?

The chances of a custom-made piece of software, generally created by the lowest bidder, being more secure than WordPress is laughable.

Funny thing is, most people using wordpress and hiring someone, use the lowest bidders, and end up with a site that uses tens to hundreds of plugins, one of which, may result in you being a statistic in some NK guys botnet lool

This is because, wordpress developers, aren't actually developers.

 

[NickGrogan]

Aktar.ventures is linked on your homepage.

Created by the lowest bidder? Who said to use the lowest bidder

I used to sell custom built websites, we won when we were the lowest bidder. If we didn't win it was always someone cheaper that did.

Unless you're doing government contracts, of course. Then its who you know.

Custom build software tends to use URLs like admin because that's where people are used to looking.

If you call the page /lkjfajawkr3q42fs$$ its hard to find, but also hard to remember.

also Wordpress lets you change the URL anyway, so its an invalid point.

 

[fisicx]

Funny thing is, most people using wordpress and hiring someone, use the lowest bidders, and end up with a site that uses tens to hundreds of plugins, one of which, may result in you being a statistic in some NK guys botnet lool

This is why it's difficult to hold a reasonable discussion with you. I agree there will be some sites built this way but there also a huge number of sites that don't suffer the same problem. If you choose to use some $10 freelancer on PPH then you deserve everything you get. But if you do your due diligence the chances are you will get a decent site no matter what platform you use.

As always, it's not an either/or situation. There is a huge sliding scale of options.

 

[YasmeenLondon]

TLDR everyone.

Wordpress is neither better nor worse than custom websites.

Every framework has advantages and disadvantages.

The website is only as good as the people building it.

Can we give the arguing a rest

 

[zomex]

This thread is wild I have a lot of experience with both sides of these arguments so here are my 2 cents.

There is no right or wrong answer to this question. I agree with others who say WordPress is a good solution for the majority of small websites. Of course it can be badly done, using a large array of plugins slows down your website. WordPress introduces security concerns not seen with a static HTML site for example. Poorly coded plugins also pose a secure risk. Those are the negatives but for every negative there's many positives.

On the flip side just because a website is bespoke does not make it more secure or better than a WordPress site. WordPress has the best developers in the world supporting it. Also by bespoke are we talking a static HTML site (non-CMS) or are we talking a custom dynamic site? There is a big difference between the two.

I have created and manage my main company website which is bespoke. If I were to create it with WordPress it would actually be more expensive as I have a lot of specific requirements and created PHP functions to make updating my site easy. WordPress would introduce a lot of unnecessary bloat that I don't need and mean I have to work around their framework to implement what I need instead of using vanilla PHP. However, I also use WordPress for many of my other sites where is is the most cost effective and most optimal solution. It's a case by case basis which option is best.

This thread is a low-key ad from the OP for VPS/dedicated hosting. Having worked on thousands of clients websites with a mix of shared, VPS, dedicated servers I can safely that the large majority of people are not cut out to handle website security and even less should be attempting to manage a server. 15 years ago I was keen on managing my own servers, I quickly realised that I have no interest in doing so as it's a very specialised skill which takes constant attention, learning, evolving. If I decided to manage my own servers it would put my clients at risk not being qualified to do so. I host with high quality companies who manage my servers and it's been a fantastic decision for me and my clients over the years. I've seen super fast sites hosted on shared servers and also very slow sites hosted on VPS/dedicated servers. It is not a black and white answer. The OP would like you to believe that in all cases a VPS is better than shared hosting but that is false. If you don't know what you're doing managing a VPS it will end in disaster over the long term.

Shared Hosting is currently used by 37% of websites. If you pick a good host there is nothing wrong with shared hosting and it's the most effective solution for the majority of small business websites. The argument of newsletter delivery being unreliable with a shared host is weak because there's solutions to that such as using an external email delivery service such as MailChimp. MailChimp has a trusted email network. Even if you use a dedicated server with your own IPS it's not going to out perform MailChimp when it comes to email delivery. You can also use external email while keeping your site hosted on a shared server. The majority of good shared hosts have very reliable backups implemented. The ability for users to restore their website own website from any day over x amount of days is real and exists. No need to contact the hosting provider, website restored within 5 minutes.

 

[zomex]

Try restoring your site when things go wrong with a VPS. If you don't know what you're doing you have no hope. If your server is managed try having action taken quickly (not going to happen unless you're paying huge money). If you're asleep no action is going to be taken in your absence. If you are even aware that your VPS has been hacked or is being DDoSed you're then waiting on someone else to help you. Huge cost and huge risk. That £1/month VPS doesn't seem so good value at this point.

Hosting providers of shared hosting have HUGE incentive to keep the server online and secure due to the amount of clients on that server. If something goes wrong and you're asleep you can bet that every reliable provider will be taking immediate action to resolve it. If your site gets hacked and you're using a good shared hosting service you can restore your site from various backups within minutes without having to contact your provider.

@ThatDevAaron you're in no position to be trying to convince others of your company with such a biast thread. Your domain was registered on the 14th of February last year. Not even a year old business. Providing anything for £1/month you will not survive much longer. Once again speaking from experience, this is something I did back in 2009 for a short time until I realised that 1. it isn't profitable and 2. low prices attract the worst of the worst clients.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

Funny thing is, most people using wordpress and hiring someone, use the lowest bidders, and end up with a site that uses tens to hundreds of plugins, one of which, may result in you being a statistic in some NK guys botnet lool

This is because, wordpress developers, aren't actually developers.

Aktar.ventures is linked on your homepage.



I used to sell custom built websites, we won when we were the lowest bidder. If we didn't win it was always someone cheaper that did.

Unless you're doing government contracts, of course. Then its who you know.

Custom build software tends to use URLs like admin because that's where people are used to looking.

If you call the page /lkjfajawkr3q42fs$$ its hard to find, but also hard to remember.

also Wordpress lets you change the URL anyway, so its an invalid point.

This is laughable. Wordpress lets you change it, so if you don't change it, it says a lot about the business's security practices, and their technical capabilities - This isn't targeted toward regular businesses, this is targeted toward those wordpress agencies and developers that claim to be experts in with a piece of software, yet don't understand simple principles surrounding it.

Custom build software tends to use URLs like admin because that's where people are used to looking.

You mean, pre-built.

If you call the page /lkjfajawkr3q42fs$$ its hard to find, but also hard to remember.

That is why, if you had anyone worth their salt, they could make a simple redirect system which is IP-locked, such as `admin.yourdomain.com` which will take you to `yourdomain.com/lkjfajawkr3q42fs$$`

I used to sell custom built websites, we won when we were the lowest bidder. If we didn't win it was always someone cheaper that did.

Unless you're doing government contracts, of course. Then its who you know

Then your portfolio, didn't match your price. Simple-as. Half the job is in convincing why you can build something that will perform better, and allow the customer room for easy scalability, compared to others.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

TLDR everyone.

Wordpress is neither better nor worse than custom websites.

Every framework has advantages and disadvantages.

The website is only as good as the people building it.

Can we give the arguing a rest

Those who find the thread too long to read shouldn't be reading ;( Its a technical topic, those with a technical understanding will love this thread, as its a topic with a lot of different view-points.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

This thread is wild I have a lot of experience with both sides of these arguments so here are my 2 cents.

There is no right or wrong answer to this question. I agree with others who say WordPress is a good solution for the majority of small websites. Of course it can be badly done, using a large array of plugins slows down your website. WordPress introduces security concerns not seen with a static HTML site for example. Poorly coded plugins also pose a secure risk. Those are the negatives but for every negative there's many positives.

On the flip side just because a website is bespoke does not make it more secure or better than a WordPress site. WordPress has the best developers in the world supporting it. Also by bespoke are we talking a static HTML site (non-CMS) or are we talking a custom dynamic site? There is a big difference between the two.

I have created and manage my main company website which is bespoke. If I were to create it with WordPress it would actually be more expensive as I have a lot of specific requirements and created PHP functions to make updating my site easy. WordPress would introduce a lot of unnecessary bloat that I don't need and mean I have to work around their framework to implement what I need instead of using vanilla PHP. However, I also use WordPress for many of my other sites where is is the most cost effective and most optimal solution. It's a case by case basis which option is best.

This thread is a low-key ad from the OP for VPS/dedicated hosting. Having worked on thousands of clients websites with a mix of shared, VPS, dedicated servers I can safely that the large majority of people are not cut out to handle website security and even less should be attempting to manage a server. 15 years ago I was keen on managing my own servers, I quickly realised that I have no interest in doing so as it's a very specialised skill which takes constant attention, learning, evolving. If I decided to manage my own servers it would put my clients at risk not being qualified to do so. I host with high quality companies who manage my servers and it's been a fantastic decision for me and my clients over the years. I've seen super fast sites hosted on shared servers and also very slow sites hosted on VPS/dedicated servers. It is not a black and white answer. The OP would like you to believe that in all cases a VPS is better than shared hosting but that is false. If you don't know what you're doing managing a VPS it will end in disaster over the long term.

Shared Hosting is currently used by 37% of websites. If you pick a good host there is nothing wrong with shared hosting and it's the most effective solution for the majority of small business websites. The argument of newsletter delivery being unreliable with a shared host is weak because there's solutions to that such as using an external email delivery service such as MailChimp. MailChimp has a trusted email network. Even if you use a dedicated server with your own IPS it's not going to out perform MailChimp when it comes to email delivery. You can also use external email while keeping your site hosted on a shared server. The majority of good shared hosts have very reliable backups implemented. The ability for users to restore their website own website from any day over x amount of days is real and exists. No need to contact the hosting provider, website restored within 5 minutes.

This most certainly isn't an AD, we provide NO SUPPORT FOR WORDPRESS, if someone requests support for wordpress, we will do the bare minimum, I encourage wordpress users to go elsewhere unless they've got a system-administrator or want to pay for a managed server via a fixed monthly rate or hourly. We're defo not a good option for wordpress newbs.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

Try restoring your site when things go wrong with a VPS. If you don't know what you're doing you have no hope. If your server is managed try having action taken quickly (not going to happen unless you're paying huge money). If you're asleep no action is going to be taken in your absence. If you are even aware that your VPS has been hacked or is being DDoSed you're then waiting on someone else to help you. Huge cost and huge risk. That £1/month VPS doesn't seem so good value at this point.

Hosting providers of shared hosting have HUGE incentive to keep the server online and secure due to the amount of clients on that server. If something goes wrong and you're asleep you can bet that every reliable provider will be taking immediate action to resolve it. If your site gets hacked and you're using a good shared hosting service you can restore your site from various backups within minutes without having to contact your provider.

@ThatDevAaron you're in no position to be trying to convince others of your company with such a biast thread. Your domain was registered on the 14th of February last year. Not even a year old business. Providing anything for £1/month you will not survive much longer. Once again speaking from experience, this is something I did back in 2009 for a short time until I realised that 1. it isn't profitable and 2. low prices attract the worst of the worst clients.

@ThatDevAaron you're in no position to be trying to convince others of your company with such a biast thread. Your domain was registered on the 14th of February last year. Not even a year old business. Providing anything for £1/month you will not survive much longer. Once again speaking from experience, this is something I did back in 2009 for a short time until I realised that 1. it isn't profitable and 2. low prices attract the worst of the worst clients.

Who am I convincing? You are in no position to be making wild assumptions with no basis, through your company account no-less, maintain a level of professionalism, for your own sake.

We've been incorporated for 2 years, have one three month old subsidiary, numerous smaller businesses, and more. On top of that, I myself have over a decade of technical experience with all sorts of situations.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

Providing anything for £1/month you will not survive much longer

You clearly aren't familiar with how this sort of billing works, most importantly, you clearly don't understand the use-case for our £1/month servers lol, they are extremely small IPv6 only machines, do some research and you'll learn a little bit about how specs and v6 over v4 allows us to offer customers huge savings lol.

I didn't want to go on about our services, as this isn't an ad, but you've given me a reason to, by
publicly unleashing your crazy assumptions, based on clearly no relevant experience.

 

[zomex]

This most certainly isn't an AD, we provide NO SUPPORT FOR WORDPRESS, if someone requests support for wordpress, we will do the bare minimum, I encourage wordpress users to go elsewhere unless they've got a system-administrator or want to pay for a managed server via a fixed monthly rate or hourly. We're defo not a good option for wordpress newbs.

How silly do you think I/we are? Come on brother, it's a topic designed to reflect your company as a solution It's not a blatant ad but it is a subtle ad. Have a read of your opening thread and tell me with a straight face that it isn't. Just one quote: "Our company deals with primarily, de-wordpressing businesses, and most of them see massive savings." I.e stop using WordPress, the "solution" is in my signature.

Who am I convincing? You are in no position to be making wild assumptions with no basis, through your company account no-less, maintain a level of professionalism, for your own sake.

We've been incorporated for 2 years, have one three month old subsidiary, numerous smaller businesses, and more. On top of that, I myself have over a decade of technical experience with all sorts of situations.

Yes so in other words a very new business just as I stated. I'm not trying to be horrible just calling a spade a spade. A 2 year old business in the hosting industry is practically brand new. The hosting industry as you know is one of the most competitive businesses. Everyone including yourself is a reseller. If you don't own a datacenter you are a reseller of some description. That's 90% of the industry.

You clearly aren't familiar with how this sort of billing works, most importantly, you clearly don't understand the use-case for our £1/month servers lol, they are extremely small IPv6 only machines, do some research and you'll learn a little bit about how specs and v6 over v4 allows us to offer customers huge savings lol.

I didn't want to go on about our services, as this isn't an ad, but you've given me a reason to, by
publicly unleashing your crazy assumptions, based on clearly no relevant experience.

Yes I have no relevent experience. Only been in the hosting industry for over 15 years. I am one of the longest standing and most experienced developers of the most popular billing software in the web hosting industry, WHMCS. I have some of the most used web hosting themes for WHMCS which i developed line by line and have maintained for over 13 years. I've worked with literally thousands of web hosting companies from tiny resellers to large established companies since 2009. I'm sitting in a house which I purchased as a result of servicing the industry you claim I have no relevant experience in.

You will not make a penny providing anything for £1/month. It doesn't matter if it's a unmanaged server. Your transaction fee alone is going to bring that £1 down to more like £0.50. Also as a £1 service you're going to be hit with a lot of fraud as you scale. People will use stolen cards/stolen PayPal accounts. Send a ton of spam and/or the payment will be disputed. Your website appears to be using a custom order form for your server. Is the server provision automated? Does it check for fraud metrics? Are payments automated? If the answer to either of these is no then good luck.

 

[NickGrogan]

You mean, pre-built.

If I meant pre-built, I would have said pre-built. I said and meant custom-built.

That is why, if you had anyone worth their salt, they could make a simple redirect system which is IP-locked, such as `admin.yourdomain.com` which will take you to `yourdomain.com/lkjfajawkr3q42fs$$`

Great until the IP address changes, someone wants to log in from home, etc, etc. Also this has nothing to do with Wordpress, prebuilt or custom built software, any redirect is external to the server and software anyway, so can be applied to literally any web based solution.

Then your portfolio, didn't match your price. Simple-as. Half the job is in convincing why you can build something that will perform better, and allow the customer room for easy scalability, compared to others.

Have sold the idea of and then built the first B2B reverse auction site, that seems unlikely. The fact is that any decent software development team can build any web idea that 99.9% of businesses will ever need or could afford.

There's not much point in giving advice about pricing when you're selling hosting for a pound.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

@zomex

Everyone including yourself is a reseller. If you don't own a datacenter you are a reseller of some description. That's 90% of the industry.

You my good sir, are clueless.
This is why I recommend those with little to no understanding of low-level networking, comment on such things under a business account, looks so bad I swear.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

Yes I have no relevent experience. Only been in the hosting industry for over 15 years. I am one of the longest standing and most experienced developers of the most popular billing software in the web hosting industry, WHMCS. I have some of the most used web hosting themes for WHMCS which i developed line by line and have maintained for over 13 years. I've worked with literally thousands of web hosting companies from tiny resellers to large established companies since 2009. I'm sitting in a house which I purchased as a result of servicing the industry you claim I have no relevant experience in.

You will not make a penny providing anything for £1/month. It doesn't matter if it's a unmanaged server. Your transaction fee alone is going to bring that £1 down to more like £0.50. Also as a £1 service you're going to be hit with a lot of fraud as you scale. People will use stolen cards/stolen PayPal accounts. Send a ton of spam and/or the payment will be disputed. Your website appears to be using a custom order form for your server. Is the server provision automated? Does it check for fraud metrics? Are payments automated? If the answer to either of these is no then good luck.

Congrats. You're a contributor, basically at the same level as a wordpress plugin developer......

If you must know, our cheaper options are there to build clientele, and provide a gateway-purchase, and they have more then enough use-cases. But I'm in no position to need to explain our pricing etc, especially considering we've got some great pricing.

I want to reiterate, WHMCS plugin development, isn't hosting experience, helping hosting companies integrate their WHMCS instance, with your plugin, isn't hosting experience. You're great with WHMCS, that is what I've learned so far.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

Great until the IP address changes, someone wants to log in from home, etc, etc. Also this has nothing to do with Wordpress, prebuilt or custom built software, any redirect is external to the server and software anyway, so can be applied to literally any web based solution.

In most/any instance, you'd likely restrict access to another server, not your home-ip, and tunnel using a VPN or lightweight HTTP Proxy.

It has everything to do with wordpress & relevant service providers, if you can't see that, do some research.

 

[ThatDevAaron]

If I meant pre-built, I would have said pre-built. I said and meant custom-built.



Great until the IP address changes, someone wants to log in from home, etc, etc. Also this has nothing to do with Wordpress, prebuilt or custom built software, any redirect is external to the server and software anyway, so can be applied to literally any web based solution.


Have sold the idea of and then built the first B2B reverse auction site, that seems unlikely. The fact is that any decent software development team can build any web idea that 99.9% of businesses will ever need or could afford.

There's not much point in giving advice about pricing when you're selling hosting for a pound.

We sell hosting for a pound, because we're able to, simple as.

If you read a bit about us, you'd learn that HammerVMs primary purpose is to provide in-house hosting for Akhtar Technologies, and our respective associates and clients. But then again, I understand that plugin developers need some assistance with understanding how certain aspects of hosting work, and how pricing differs host-to-host based on hardware, location, power, and over-allocation.

 

[fisicx]

Those who find the thread too long to read shouldn't be reading ;( Its a technical topic, those with a technical understanding will love this thread, as its a topic with a lot of different view-points.

Why is it a technical topic? It’s a very polarised poll about the use of Wordpress versus a built from scratch website. It has become technical but this is forum for business owners not IT experts.

 

[NickGrogan]

In most/any instance, you'd likely restrict access to another server, not your home-ip, and tunnel using a VPN or lightweight HTTP Proxy.

It has everything to do with wordpress & relevant service providers, if you can't see that, do some research.

Nope, nothing to do with Wordpress at all.

Ultimately, you are talking about ways for the site admin to access the back end of the site.

This could be Wordpress, drupal, any other prebuilt software, could be MySQL or it could be a custom build piece of code on your very own custom build web server, running on your very own custom build operating system. You could even run it on non standard hardware if you wanted to. Makes no difference.

Redirects, restricting ips, VPN, tunnels, or whatever connect point A to point B. What is at point B is irrelevant to the connection.

 

[NickGrogan]

We sell hosting for a pound, because we're able to, simple as.

If you could sell the same hosting for £10 or £100, then as a business aiming to make a profit, one would presume that you would.

You're selling it at £1 because you're offering a commoditized service at commoditized prices. Nothing wrong with that, but don't pretend you're not.

 

[fisicx]

In most/any instance, you'd likely restrict access to another server, not your home-ip, and tunnel using a VPN or lightweight HTTP Proxy.

Mr Jones the Butcher in Warmington-on-Sea wouldn't have a clue what this means. But he can get a £9.99/month hosting deal, install wordpress and promote his sausages. He is not going to shell out for a hand-built site. He isn't going to be able to manage a VPS.

The many technical and security experts can go on all day long about vulnerabilities and poxy this and that but this will pass by almost all SME. You are targeting the wrong people with this thread.