Trump Elected President - Discussion
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Harris has been Bidens VP all the way though, her policies are his polices, she said she wouldn't change anything.
So by staying the same, and with the other candidate seen as the devil or worse, she lost 20% of voters?
Does that seem likely?
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I've come to realise that fact checking sites are not the neutral arbiters they claim to be.
Yes, they word their articles carefully to try to avoid giving the appearance of bias but, to the trained eye, there are clues.
I am inclined to believe that Khan didn't make such a comment. However, "there is no evidence he made that comment" is not irrefutable proof that he did not make the comment.
To me, the Reuters "fact check" is, like most 'fact checkers', biased to the left / 'progressive' causes in both the 'facts' it chooses to check and in the general tone of its articles (however much it tries to mask its bias).
We need to recognise that 'fact checkers', like the BBC's, exist to try and own the truth. There is always money in that, and money corrupts.
Yes, they word their articles carefully to try to avoid giving the appearance of bias but, to the trained eye, there are clues.
I am inclined to believe that Khan didn't make such a comment. However, "there is no evidence he made that comment" is not irrefutable proof that he did not make the comment.
To me, the Reuters "fact check" is, like most 'fact checkers', biased to the left / 'progressive' causes in both the 'facts' it chooses to check and in the general tone of its articles (however much it tries to mask its bias).
We need to recognise that 'fact checkers', like the BBC's, exist to try and own the truth. There is always money in that, and money corrupts.
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Yes, I think it does. People didn't want more of the same - a lot of people won't think they are better off under Biden and Harris was not going to change anything. However, they were not wanting to put their cross against Trump either so just stayed away.
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No way BBC has a fact checker, I need to check that out...
Ok, we'll watch the investigations as they start.
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It's interesting. The US isn't my country but I have friends and family there. In fact, prior to the election, I met up with a fellow Chinese business owner, a chap living on the West Coast who is a lifelong Democrat. He and his family voted Trump this time.
He explained to me Kamala was universally disliked even amongst Democrats plus they have a 'Woke' problem that is squarely a Dems issue and on top of that, the Democrats policies didn't appeal. So Trump being an unapologetic convicted rapist with 38 felony counts became secondary. He had a policy set which appeals.
He said a major part of the issue was Kamala. While she was a great VP, being the young, ethnic foil to Biden's ageing, white representation, no-one really liked her as a standalone Presidential candidate in any respect, even in her own party. Aside from her personality, he pointed out she hadn't solved two, major problems in Cali which are homelessness and crime. They have tent cities which wouldn't look out of place in a third world country and he is unable to park his admittedly expensive automobile in far too many places in the Bay area because it will get broken into every single time.
I think he resented buying a gun but he did so because the crime problem in California has now spiralled out of control. And that was on Kamala's watch.
And as a business owner, he has a ton of DEI / LGBTQ+ / representation challenges. He'd be comfortable with all that stuff if she'd made a dent in crime / homelessness but she hasn't. So she's effectively given him more problems.
The other element is Biden made a major strategic blunder. He said that Kamala was a rushed choice that no-one really wanted. Biden should've left earlier so the Dems would've had a chance to choose a great candidate in their primaries. He said there would've been a dozen much better suited candidates with stronger policies and better track records.
I'm not American and it's not my election but found my friend's take really interesting.
He explained to me Kamala was universally disliked even amongst Democrats plus they have a 'Woke' problem that is squarely a Dems issue and on top of that, the Democrats policies didn't appeal. So Trump being an unapologetic convicted rapist with 38 felony counts became secondary. He had a policy set which appeals.
He said a major part of the issue was Kamala. While she was a great VP, being the young, ethnic foil to Biden's ageing, white representation, no-one really liked her as a standalone Presidential candidate in any respect, even in her own party. Aside from her personality, he pointed out she hadn't solved two, major problems in Cali which are homelessness and crime. They have tent cities which wouldn't look out of place in a third world country and he is unable to park his admittedly expensive automobile in far too many places in the Bay area because it will get broken into every single time.
I think he resented buying a gun but he did so because the crime problem in California has now spiralled out of control. And that was on Kamala's watch.
And as a business owner, he has a ton of DEI / LGBTQ+ / representation challenges. He'd be comfortable with all that stuff if she'd made a dent in crime / homelessness but she hasn't. So she's effectively given him more problems.
The other element is Biden made a major strategic blunder. He said that Kamala was a rushed choice that no-one really wanted. Biden should've left earlier so the Dems would've had a chance to choose a great candidate in their primaries. He said there would've been a dozen much better suited candidates with stronger policies and better track records.
I'm not American and it's not my election but found my friend's take really interesting.
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The Chinese guy explained to me the problems with her ran much deeper than just 'woke.' So crime, homelessness, personality, policies etc... In her home patch of California (where he lives), they have massive tent cities etc...
So I think there were some major problems there which meant for the first time ever, he voted Republican. And he didn't feel he was voting Trump. He felt he was voting Republican. He doesn't like Trump, incidentally.
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They are dodgy gits. BBC Verify tries to give the impression that it's neutral but the bias is obvious even in the stories it chooses to fact check.
And the quality of the fact checking is putrid.
Example involving Dan Neidle (I mean, I am connected with the guy and had one or two public interactions with him and, despite our common experiences defending a SLAPP, he's one rabid, raving, loonie hard-left campaigner in my humble opinion. But the BBC have now removed his quote from the fact check article - an admission of previous bias methinks).
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From what my friend told me, it was all the elements I mentioned, together. My impression when we were talking is the main points are policies, disliking Kamala as a person and her track record which is, admittedly poor.
He didn't say any of these was a deciding factor but talked about them all, together. Track record is a biggie because he's a Californian and judged Kamala on the major problems in the state, specifically homelessness and crime.
After that, he talked about woke which he believes has gone too far, peer pressure from Republicans (he's a successful business guy, built his own company), so his friend circle is Republican.
The one I was reluctant to discuss on this forum was he mentioned that having a woman President... he believed that in the US, this was being talked about and a negative. Don't shoot the messenger, it's just one element I wanted to add and entirely his perspective. Wasn't a major thing, just something he mentioned which I again, found interesting.
I just shut up and let him talk because he gives a genuine perspective from the US. He's a self-made guy, immigrant, has his own business, financially successful, Chinese like me and educated and a lifelong Democrat. So when he said he'd turned Republican for all the reasons he gave, I thought Trump was going to win.
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Oh, yeah, you can't say that in the UK. People, including many of this forum, will go nuts.
Women have different qualities to men. Some of those are an advantage in leadership positions, some of them are not.
There have been some women who've done fantastically well in leadership positions - there are also those who've failed miserably. You can point out disaster men, but it's sexist to point out disaster women.
You can even insult men and call them men of a certain age ...and nobody will bat an eyelid. But that's another story.
Back to women...
There are exceptions, but men, generally speaking, make better leaders especially in positions that demand ruthlessness, risk-taking, physical strength (military) etc etc. - the kind of qualities seen more often in men.
In leadership positions requiring diplomacy, it would appear women have a natural advantage.
Unfortunately, the type of women who've made it to the top in US politics make it easy for some to argue why women shouldn't be president.
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For every Margaret Thatcher, there's an Appeaser May / a Liz Truss. May wanted to give the EU whatever they demanded! Useless woman. I voted Remain, but given we were leaving, I expected our PM to fight for a good deal for Britain. She wanted to roll over and play dead. That's not leadership!
Contrast May with Boris Johnson - whatever you think of his morals, his politics, his inability to even comb his hair, people liked him as their leader. Jeremy Corbyn is another example - he has that quality, too. People follow him and are loyal to him.
QEII was a one off. They don't make exceptions like that every day. Besides, she isn't known for leadership, she was born into her position. She is known for her unmatchable sense of duty, loyalty to her people, diplomacy. She didn't take decisions like going to battle against Argentina, she rubberstampted those decisions. She had to be guided by Blair through the Diana death situation just like she was guided by other PMs through other state issues. She was a leader of her family, and an icon to the nation. A good person. A bad example to make your point.
I don't know your mother but in many family relationships, the women rule the men and the children. If the woman takes big decisions by dictat, rather than by consensus with her man, that's not leadership, that's bullying. Just like telling her grown sons what to do! If you still take orders from my mother, I'd advise you to grow a pair.
In the case of wives, men who are bullied (a large number!) put up with it just for an easy life. It doesn't make those women leaders.
Contrast May with Boris Johnson - whatever you think of his morals, his politics, his inability to even comb his hair, people liked him as their leader. Jeremy Corbyn is another example - he has that quality, too. People follow him and are loyal to him.
QEII was a one off. They don't make exceptions like that every day. Besides, she isn't known for leadership, she was born into her position. She is known for her unmatchable sense of duty, loyalty to her people, diplomacy. She didn't take decisions like going to battle against Argentina, she rubberstampted those decisions. She had to be guided by Blair through the Diana death situation just like she was guided by other PMs through other state issues. She was a leader of her family, and an icon to the nation. A good person. A bad example to make your point.
I don't know your mother but in many family relationships, the women rule the men and the children. If the woman takes big decisions by dictat, rather than by consensus with her man, that's not leadership, that's bullying. Just like telling her grown sons what to do! If you still take orders from my mother, I'd advise you to grow a pair.
In the case of wives, men who are bullied (a large number!) put up with it just for an easy life. It doesn't make those women leaders.
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Hello all,
It's official Trump has been elected as president.
Figured I would create this thread before someone else does
I have a few friends who believe he is just what the USA need. Hes out of the tin and will deliver what he promises on.
Another friend of mine believes between him, Putin, and China, we will be elbowed out plus with being out of the EU, we will quickly discover massive problems with exports, especially to the UK
It is going to hurt, but then i wonder if there isnt a little thing like it unfolding here with Reform gaining trackion in the poles. Farage as prime minister?
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I think Trump only sees China, Russia and the US. He doesn't acknowledge Europe, he sees the UK as a little island to play golf on. We're not even in the same galaxy
I have a thin sliver of hope that the UK retains some sort of secret 'thorn in the side' to the global powers but, circling back to QE2, I think she was the last British monarch/leader/head of state to hold any respect with countries like China. She knew how to handle them, they knew she had connections, they respected her ability to have balance. She may not have been a decision maker but she most certainly had influence.
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I'm not sure if it's expansionist. He's protectionist, so his theory is that the US should control all of the the sea around the Americas, north to south.
Greenland and Panama are military weaknesses for the US. Russian ships, operating in the polar regions, can transit the sea between Russian and Greenland. As Greenland has no active military capability, there's a risk Russia could try to setup various installations very quickly and the US wouldn't be able to react in time.
Panama has an 'access for all nations' clause, allowing any country, including Russia or China to transit vessels through. The US cannot stop this, unless they put pressure on Panama and begin placing military assets around it to monitor shipping accessing the canal.
Canada were also seen as a weakness but their leader has now fallen on his sword. Allowing for a US leaning leader to take over and bolster military spending, securing the borders in the icy regions.
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