Trump Elected President - Discussion
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It's excellent news.
Ukraine concerns are overblown. He'll probably force autonomy on Donbas and Crimea (his "end the war in 24 hours" claim). He's an awful character in many ways but unlike most of our homegrown politicians, he's exactly what it says on the tin! And the Americans voted for him.
Unless, of course, it's a 52% - 48% vote in which case we need to do the election all over again!
If we get someone like him over here, to replace that smelly, wet 2tK rag, they'd smash the gangs in 24 hours, starting with the biggest one - the French navy, the most egregious people smuggling operation in Europe!
A couple of RN destroyers planted in the channel with both barrels aimed at any French vessel heading this way ...should do the trick.
(UKBF members topping up on wine should avoid getting back from Calais by boat. I recommend using the train from Paris instead.)
Ukraine concerns are overblown. He'll probably force autonomy on Donbas and Crimea (his "end the war in 24 hours" claim). He's an awful character in many ways but unlike most of our homegrown politicians, he's exactly what it says on the tin! And the Americans voted for him.
Unless, of course, it's a 52% - 48% vote in which case we need to do the election all over again!
If we get someone like him over here, to replace that smelly, wet 2tK rag, they'd smash the gangs in 24 hours, starting with the biggest one - the French navy, the most egregious people smuggling operation in Europe!
A couple of RN destroyers planted in the channel with both barrels aimed at any French vessel heading this way ...should do the trick.
(UKBF members topping up on wine should avoid getting back from Calais by boat. I recommend using the train from Paris instead.)
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I sense there's going to be a lot of tears on this forum and don't see this thread lasting long.
The only shock to me is how Kamala got as many votes as she did. More accents than policies. Never seen such a fake person.
Trump love him or hate him loves his country and his people. He is not scared to speak his mind or take action and is a strong leader.
Fingers crossed Trump is able to knock some sense into our weak leader.
The only shock to me is how Kamala got as many votes as she did. More accents than policies. Never seen such a fake person.
Trump love him or hate him loves his country and his people. He is not scared to speak his mind or take action and is a strong leader.
Fingers crossed Trump is able to knock some sense into our weak leader.
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I heard someone read out a quote on the Matt Chorley show on BBC Five Live when he was in Georgia a couple of weeks ago.
"When your hatred for one man, is greater than your love for our country, you might be part of the problem"
I think that just about sums it up, they assumed people hated him enough that they wouldn't vote for him, no matter what, but when it came to the crunch, despite not liking him they still thought he was better for their country.
"When your hatred for one man, is greater than your love for our country, you might be part of the problem"
I think that just about sums it up, they assumed people hated him enough that they wouldn't vote for him, no matter what, but when it came to the crunch, despite not liking him they still thought he was better for their country.
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Absolutely spot on.
The average Kamala supporter couldn't give a reason for voting for her other than "she isn't that evil man Trump".
Mainstream media got a lot to answer for. Blatant bias and propaganda spouted daily. Imagine if they were actually fair and mutual. I gave up on mainstream media many years ago but it's tempting to tune in and see the tears.
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I thought our London mayor was going quit and leave the UK if Trump got in? I looked on it as a Brucie Bonus but no doubt he will go back on what he said and we will still be stuck with him. Shame.
Meanwhile has Lammy apologised yet? Can you imagine in any business situation sending a sales rep to a potential client that has been majorly insulted by them? Yet in politics its OK to allow your foreign secretary to insult and then expect to do deals. Shows how utterly clueless our government is. Trump will likely tell him to get stuffed - embarrassing frankly.
Meanwhile has Lammy apologised yet? Can you imagine in any business situation sending a sales rep to a potential client that has been majorly insulted by them? Yet in politics its OK to allow your foreign secretary to insult and then expect to do deals. Shows how utterly clueless our government is. Trump will likely tell him to get stuffed - embarrassing frankly.
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Show me some examples of what he changed his mind on. Also not being funny but every single prime-minister/president/MP has changed their mind on a multitude of things and not delivered on everything they said they would. That's pretty standard politics on either side.
Trump isn't perfect but do you honestly believe Kamala would be better? She couldn't even decide which accent to use. It changed with every speech.
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Trump is a narcissistic, misogynistic, inarticulate, arrogant, petty, vindictic, crooked, irrational bully.
And I'd have held my nose and voted for him if I still lived in the US.
What does that tell you about the alternative? The loony, woke liberals?
It seems one or two voters in the US share my view.
There'll be all kinds of analysis over the coming days. Blame will be laid on Elon Musk, on Russia, on Biden for pulling out, on the media, on Netanyahu, all sorts.
But people are just sick of the woke ideology (and left wing thinking in general), not to mention the houlier-than-thou arrogance that anyone who doesn't agree with their views is bad, needs to be shouted down, deserves to be cancelled.
They are too blind (or too thick) to see that the media have gradually pivitoed more and more to the left. I'll be charitable and suggest that it wasn't intentional but just a function of the outrage that follows whenever they take a centrist or right of centre stand on anything.
Even Jordan Peterson, with his common sense, centrist views, is considered hard right!
It's all about likes and clicks nowadays, and while there are a few likes and clicks for extreme right views, there are tons more for hard-left views. People are afraid to align with anything right of centre but aligning with the left is always safe (with this forum being no exception, going by my past experience on threads about trans rights etc).
And there's more money in that for the media. So they have drifted and drifted. And collaborated with governments to misinform the public (like they did on vaccinations) because it served their own selfish purposes - driving up the fear, vilifying "anti-vaxxers" (who, it is turning out were actually right on many of their claims), covering up Stockport etc etc.
And the media kept insisting the US race was a close call, and kept insisting, till the egg got smeared liberally in their collective face.
I, for one, am quietly enjoying that.
And I'd have held my nose and voted for him if I still lived in the US.
What does that tell you about the alternative? The loony, woke liberals?
It seems one or two voters in the US share my view.
There'll be all kinds of analysis over the coming days. Blame will be laid on Elon Musk, on Russia, on Biden for pulling out, on the media, on Netanyahu, all sorts.
But people are just sick of the woke ideology (and left wing thinking in general), not to mention the houlier-than-thou arrogance that anyone who doesn't agree with their views is bad, needs to be shouted down, deserves to be cancelled.
They are too blind (or too thick) to see that the media have gradually pivitoed more and more to the left. I'll be charitable and suggest that it wasn't intentional but just a function of the outrage that follows whenever they take a centrist or right of centre stand on anything.
Even Jordan Peterson, with his common sense, centrist views, is considered hard right!
It's all about likes and clicks nowadays, and while there are a few likes and clicks for extreme right views, there are tons more for hard-left views. People are afraid to align with anything right of centre but aligning with the left is always safe (with this forum being no exception, going by my past experience on threads about trans rights etc).
And there's more money in that for the media. So they have drifted and drifted. And collaborated with governments to misinform the public (like they did on vaccinations) because it served their own selfish purposes - driving up the fear, vilifying "anti-vaxxers" (who, it is turning out were actually right on many of their claims), covering up Stockport etc etc.
And the media kept insisting the US race was a close call, and kept insisting, till the egg got smeared liberally in their collective face.
I, for one, am quietly enjoying that.
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Convicted criminal, serial liar, sexual predator, racist demagogue. A billionaire cult leader who doesn't give a hoot about his followers, and only uses them in order to achieve and maintain power.
A reckless narcissist who encouraged them to carry out an attempted insurrection on the US Capitol, undermining democracy itself.
For anyone living in a civilised society, not only do I NOT think it wrong to feel a contempt for Mr Trump, I consider it a moral imperative to do so. (And for clarification, saying "yes he's a bit distasteful but...' doesn't quite cover it.)
Does that mean Harris or the Democrats were a good choice?
Absolutely not.
While Harris was a poor choice from the start IMO, I'm not sure another Democrat would necessarily have done much better. The cultural currents underpinning the Trump phenomenon and rightwing populism more generally run much deeper, I think.
Worryingly, the Labour Party - like the Democratic Party in the US - shows little sign of having understood what's taking place, or any desire to have a conversation about it. Poor communication skills, from the PM and Chancellor down, don't help.
But I do understand why people voted for Trump. People are not just finding their living standards drop, they're feeling their very status undermined. And conmen politicians and podcasters are swooping in to stoke division and sow a greater sense of victimhood, with all the familiar targets lined up on the board, and suspiciously easy solutions.
One of the worst things about the Trump re-election, I think, is the idea that this normalises such demagogues and such shamelessness in politicians. It only has to happen once, with insufficient comeuppance, and the template is set. I think it's a sad day for any small-l liberal democratic society when that happens.
In case all the above is edited out for being too political, then let me just add that I wish the US good luck keeping inflation and interest rates down. I think they may need it. Insofar as it effects us in the UK we will have to see how US-UK relations go down. Labour were right to make connections early. But with someone as mercurial as Trump, it will be hard to predict, whatever the UK government does.
A reckless narcissist who encouraged them to carry out an attempted insurrection on the US Capitol, undermining democracy itself.
For anyone living in a civilised society, not only do I NOT think it wrong to feel a contempt for Mr Trump, I consider it a moral imperative to do so. (And for clarification, saying "yes he's a bit distasteful but...' doesn't quite cover it.)
Does that mean Harris or the Democrats were a good choice?
Absolutely not.
While Harris was a poor choice from the start IMO, I'm not sure another Democrat would necessarily have done much better. The cultural currents underpinning the Trump phenomenon and rightwing populism more generally run much deeper, I think.
Worryingly, the Labour Party - like the Democratic Party in the US - shows little sign of having understood what's taking place, or any desire to have a conversation about it. Poor communication skills, from the PM and Chancellor down, don't help.
But I do understand why people voted for Trump. People are not just finding their living standards drop, they're feeling their very status undermined. And conmen politicians and podcasters are swooping in to stoke division and sow a greater sense of victimhood, with all the familiar targets lined up on the board, and suspiciously easy solutions.
One of the worst things about the Trump re-election, I think, is the idea that this normalises such demagogues and such shamelessness in politicians. It only has to happen once, with insufficient comeuppance, and the template is set. I think it's a sad day for any small-l liberal democratic society when that happens.
In case all the above is edited out for being too political, then let me just add that I wish the US good luck keeping inflation and interest rates down. I think they may need it. Insofar as it effects us in the UK we will have to see how US-UK relations go down. Labour were right to make connections early. But with someone as mercurial as Trump, it will be hard to predict, whatever the UK government does.
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I have a huge issue with the bombs dropped by Obama. I was saying so at the time.
But assumptions like yours aptly demonstrate why the culture wars continue to rage. Because too many people on each side don't want to give their perceived opponent the benefit of the doubt.
I agree that anti-woke likely drove a lot of the Trump support. But the outcome wasn't a slam dunk. There are still very much two sides. Just as some genuinely consider that they're dealing with 'woke PC snowflake libtard BBC watching virtue signallers (insert other rightwing cliches) when they see the left, some on the left genuinely think they're dealing with racist, misogynistic transphobic Fox News watching gammons/fascists (insert other leftwing cliches) when they see the right.
Each is convinced they're correct and their opponent represents the problem with society.
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What does this add, in all seriousness? I could just as easily have quoted a post and said 'It's like listening to a year's worth of Fox News reporting'. It's just the age-old "you're the biased one" retort so easily dished out online. It doesn't remotely take us forward.It's like listening to a year worth of BBC reporting
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We don't just consider, mate.
We see comments like " Insofar as it effects us in the UK we will have to see how US-UK relations go down. Labour were right to make connections early," and we slap our foreheads and roll our eyes.
Right to make connections early? You sound like a Labour politician - in fact, you've repeated exactly what 2tK said in Parliament - trying to cover up their monumental stupidity in making enemies of the man who's now commander-in-chief of the US. You don't need to start by giving the opposite side the benefit of the doubt. You need to start by accepting moronic actions and comments by your own side instead of trying desperately to portray them in a favourable light.
Labour have made right clowns of themselves. Starmer now refuses to sack the imbecile Lammy and is leaving Lammy to deal with the US, a US headed by a man who doesn't forget a slight, especially not one that calls him "a racist KKK and Nazi sympathiser."
It gives me great pleasure in providing a quote from an articulate and eloquent liberal:
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Play fair, Clinton. The ball, not the player.
My contempt above is for Trump. I make no apologies for it.
Obviously it's unfortunate if someone expressing their opinion about Trump has triggered you.
I "sound like a Labour politician"? Perhaps to you, but so what? For what it's worth, I'm neither a Labour supporter nor even a Labour voter, so it's a fairly meaningless thing to add to your reply. But I realise you only meant it as a slur. A variation on zomex's "You're the biased one, not me" discussion tactic. And like theirs, overlooking that accusations of bias can work both ways.
I agree that Lammy's student politics remark was stupid. No-one here is defending that.
"2tK"... Haha, oh dear. Ok, that reveals a little more of where you're coming from...
As for bragging about those rightwing cliches, great stuff. You do you.
And other people are of course free to roll their eyes at them, just as you might feel inclined to do likewise when you hear leftwing cliches like 'gammon' or 'blowhard' aimed back at you. It's all just noise, mate. More fuel to the culture war fire. Someone has to keep the pennies rolling in for Peterson, Konstantin et al! (The latter I actually have some respect for. The former - dear oh dear oh dear... )
My contempt above is for Trump. I make no apologies for it.
Obviously it's unfortunate if someone expressing their opinion about Trump has triggered you.
I "sound like a Labour politician"? Perhaps to you, but so what? For what it's worth, I'm neither a Labour supporter nor even a Labour voter, so it's a fairly meaningless thing to add to your reply. But I realise you only meant it as a slur. A variation on zomex's "You're the biased one, not me" discussion tactic. And like theirs, overlooking that accusations of bias can work both ways.
I agree that Lammy's student politics remark was stupid. No-one here is defending that.
"2tK"... Haha, oh dear. Ok, that reveals a little more of where you're coming from...
As for bragging about those rightwing cliches, great stuff. You do you.
And other people are of course free to roll their eyes at them, just as you might feel inclined to do likewise when you hear leftwing cliches like 'gammon' or 'blowhard' aimed back at you. It's all just noise, mate. More fuel to the culture war fire. Someone has to keep the pennies rolling in for Peterson, Konstantin et al! (The latter I actually have some respect for. The former - dear oh dear oh dear... )
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You seem to have completely missed what I said about Trump in this thread
Oh, well.
And gammon? It's always funny when someone assumes I'm white.
Now I'll go and watch some JP videos to chill after a long day. Have fun.
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No I didn't miss it. You've rather conveniently, if I may say so, overlooked the main point - that my opinions in this Trump thread appeared to trigger you enough that you made this personal. And that's regrettable.
Re. 'gammon', it's pretty clear that the primary qualifying factor for this term is a person's reactionary rightwing opinions. It's not the intrinsic ethnicity of the person that's being mocked, but rather their propensity to get "ruddy faced" with increased blood flow as they froth their 'golf club bore' views to all and sundry, and get themselves more and more worked up. And it's not just white people who get ruddy-faced either, of course - nor is it just white people who spill out rightwing bilge (oh hi Suella!) so the racial element is something of a misnomer.
I hope you sufficiently refuelled on JP sauce
Re. 'gammon', it's pretty clear that the primary qualifying factor for this term is a person's reactionary rightwing opinions. It's not the intrinsic ethnicity of the person that's being mocked, but rather their propensity to get "ruddy faced" with increased blood flow as they froth their 'golf club bore' views to all and sundry, and get themselves more and more worked up. And it's not just white people who get ruddy-faced either, of course - nor is it just white people who spill out rightwing bilge (oh hi Suella!) so the racial element is something of a misnomer.
I hope you sufficiently refuelled on JP sauce
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Duh! I agree with your points about Trump!
My stand wasn't "he's a bit distasteful but...".
He's absolutely the dregs. He's the worst. I agree with all you said about him. Actually, I said it before you did.
But if I still lived in the US, I'd have voted for him.
Because the alternative is worse.
It's the face of a virus that has penetrated deep into western society, infected all its establishments, corrupted its educational institutions, seeped into almost every political party (including the Tories), deeply damaged society.
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News is emerging that Musk is going to be in charge of the department for government efficiency. The anti-vaxxer Kennedy (ie. someone who doesn't blindly buy the crooked establishment line on the Covid vaccinations) is going to lead the health ministry and Pompeo, an ardent supporter of Israel, is going to head defence.
You may not like any of that but here's a politician doing what he said he'd do. And what was said on the ticket that got him the popular vote.
Imagine that!
The world's gone nuts.
Oh, one more thing.
First, it was Hillary Clinton and then Kamala Harris. Trump's the only man in the world who's won an argument with a woman, twice.
Respect!
You may not like any of that but here's a politician doing what he said he'd do. And what was said on the ticket that got him the popular vote.
Imagine that!
The world's gone nuts.
Oh, one more thing.
First, it was Hillary Clinton and then Kamala Harris. Trump's the only man in the world who's won an argument with a woman, twice.
Respect!
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Kennedy talks a lot of sense, just need to add Tulsi & Vik and they will get sh*t doneNews is emerging that Musk is going to be in charge of the department for government efficiency. The anti-vaxxer Kennedy (ie. someone who doesn't blindly buy the crooked establishment line on the Covid vaccinations) is going to lead the health ministry and Pompeo, an ardent supporter of Israel, is going to head defence.
You may not like any of that but here's a politician doing what he said he'd do. And what was said on the ticket that got him the popular vote.
Imagine that!
The world's gone nuts.
Oh, one more thing.
First, it was Hillary Clinton and then Kamala Harris. Trump's the only man in the world who's won an argument with a woman, twice.
Respect!
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The World needs a Globally Recognised Integrated Economic and Environmental Policy.
I mean Economic and Environmental considerations need to be Integrated.
USA has failed to recognise this and Trump is the failed outcome.
Where is the Leadership? Where is the Strategic Vision?
'Make America Great Again is simply regressive navel-gazing.
USA is no longer leading the Western world.
They are a largely regressive society built on self indulgence.
I mean Economic and Environmental considerations need to be Integrated.
USA has failed to recognise this and Trump is the failed outcome.
Where is the Leadership? Where is the Strategic Vision?
'Make America Great Again is simply regressive navel-gazing.
USA is no longer leading the Western world.
They are a largely regressive society built on self indulgence.
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It's a good time to hold BitcoinI also notice the anti ****** especially Bitcoin bashers have gone rather quiet, Making it the federal reserve currency et al, btw anyone checked the Bitcoin price of late
But it's best to hold a mix of assets.Gold had a HUGE run and come down after Trump was elected due to more confidence in the economy.
Bitcoin has gone up since Trump's election because the market see him as more pro ****** than Kamala.
With that said you should hold Bitcoin knowing that it is pure speculation. The truth is it has a lot of negatives and has not seen any true adoption. It was billed as a currency but makes a useless currency. Everyone holds it as a digital gold hoping the next person will pay more for it. So far that's turned out to be true but many events could cause that to change.
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Gone up since it’s inception 14 years ago, look left. (Besides the standard dips) Same as the stock market from day one.
It’s all about timing if your trading and working the volatility or just buy and hold with money you can afford to lose.
I bought at £11k in early 2022 today as we speak one bitcoin is £61k.
Take my initial stake out - money back no risk and now enjoying the ride, if I lose the rest I lose. But looking back over the last 14 years feel pretty confident despite your many events that could make it go to zero as you suggested.
It’s all about timing if your trading and working the volatility or just buy and hold with money you can afford to lose.
I bought at £11k in early 2022 today as we speak one bitcoin is £61k.
Take my initial stake out - money back no risk and now enjoying the ride, if I lose the rest I lose. But looking back over the last 14 years feel pretty confident despite your many events that could make it go to zero as you suggested.
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That's all good. But the difference between ****** and the stock market is the stock market has income generating businesses behind each stock. ****** has nothing but hope.
Agree with you regarding money you can afford to loose. That's the best way to play ******.
Yeah that's a good way to play it. You have nothing to loose and everything to gain.
I got into ****** back in 2013ish. Some clients paid me in Bitcoin but at that time it was so unknown/scammy vibe so no one trusted it. So as soon as I'd get a payment I'd convert it to £. Looking back now that's insane I could have been very wealthy if I held it over this time. But I still have a good position in Bitcoin and everything is easy looking back on it.
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Given how important democracy is and how important this election was to the Democratic party, do you have any idea why 14 million fewer people voted Democratic this time round?
Where did they go?
Trump got fewer votes than in 2020 and won convincingly.
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There's tons of speculation online from hard-left newspapers like the Guardian.
They're blaming Gaza and Democrats' response to Gaza.
It's also cost of living.
And 'toxic masculinity'.
And Covid.
And Elon Musk.
And Trump's lies.
And Biden (for not pulling out earlier).
And Andrew Tate.
And 'disloyal' blacks and latinos.
And, And ...I'm not kidding you, white women.
There's no end of navel gazing, no limits to the blame game.
You saying 2020 was stolen?
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If people are happy to believe that an insurrection took place when a group of people, well known for loving guns but carrying no guns or other weapons, entered a building after security opened the doors, then believing an election was stolen seems an easy jump.
I'm more concerned that millions of people either didn't think this election mattered as much as the last one, which seems nonsensical as it was essential the same people competing or they have simply disappeared.
Hopefully, Trump will conduct a public examination of the 2020 and 2024 results.
It should be fun.
I'm more concerned that millions of people either didn't think this election mattered as much as the last one, which seems nonsensical as it was essential the same people competing or they have simply disappeared.
Hopefully, Trump will conduct a public examination of the 2020 and 2024 results.
It should be fun.
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It might go back to what I quoted earlier;
"When your hatred for one man, is greater than your love for our country, you might be part of the problem"
A lot of people are so anti-Trump that they would never vote for him, but may have felt that they didn't want to vote for the Democrats either, so just didn't vote.
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Republican votes were down slightly, so may tie in with your idea.
Democratic votes were down about 14M, which is around 20% of the votes they "got" in 2020.
Given that Harris was VP in the 2020 election and her policies were wholly/essentially the same as Bidens, the idea that 20% of Democrats would suddenly decide not to bother voting, even though they hate Trump, seems a bit of a stretch.
Democratic votes were down about 14M, which is around 20% of the votes they "got" in 2020.
Given that Harris was VP in the 2020 election and her policies were wholly/essentially the same as Bidens, the idea that 20% of Democrats would suddenly decide not to bother voting, even though they hate Trump, seems a bit of a stretch.
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Well, a lot of those white women are not keen on the "new" women that the Left keeps pushing.
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The last few years have been generally crap for the 'average' person though with ever increasing costs/less chance of buying a house and a general feeling of everything being a bit crap. The Democrats don't seem to have really grasped that and made out things are great and the Republicans/Trump are evil. I expect people that would have voted Democrat just have not bothered voting - or voted for Republicans/Trump just for a change and see what happens as they think it can't be any worse.
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Trumps vote was down from 2020, so they didn't vote for him.
Hilary Clintons vote in 2016 was in line with Harris's vote in 2024. And every other recent election. Biden's vote was 20% higher - 14M people who had never voted before went out and voted for him and then stayed home when it was his VP standing.
Was Biden a great speaker who persuaded millions and millions of people to vote for the first time?
Not that I've seen. So what happened?
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