60% of adults in the U.K do not have a Will. Why is that?

Hi All,

I am keen to get your thoughts on the reasons why 3 out of every 5 people in the U.K do not currently have a Will.

What stops business owners and individuals from setting one up? Too busy? Costs? Too much legal jargon out there? They are still young so don't need to do it yet etc etc.

It would be great to get your feedback on the above, so that the Law Firm I work for can tailor our marketing further.

Have a lovely day one and all.

Mike Smith (Queens Court Law)
 

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We wrote our own. It wasn’t complicated. A local solicitor wanted to charge £350+vat.
 
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I think for most it is one of those things they plan to get around to doing one day, just not today.
Yes - it’s not exactly a nice conversation to have. My priorities changed when i got married and had children. I wanted to ensure my family were looked after, and that they did not have to deal with any court issues due from not having a Will!
 
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    True - a basic Will is pretty easy to write. So long as you have the legal jargon covered.
    I leave everything I own to my husband (name). If he dies before me I leave everything to Fred Bloggs. Signed, witnessed. Isn't that enough? No legal jargon there.
     
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    I am keen to get your thoughts on the reasons why 3 out of every 5 people in the U.K do not currently have a Will.
    What stops business owners and individuals from setting one up? Too busy? Costs? Too much legal jargon out there? They are still young so don't need to do it yet etc etc.
    I am in my 70s and I do not have a will because -

    1. The law around death taxes is bonkers complicated - I own a house, agricultural and forest land, a business and have foreign business interests. Add to that, I am a dual national. UK inheritance tax is stupidly complex and this incompetent government and whatever collection of clowns takes over from this juvenile circus is probably not going to be any better - therefore even greater complexities and absurdities. Jam for beagles, but F-all use for the average Joe!

    2. Both I and my wife are totally fit and healthy.

    3. My wife will outlive me by at least 10 years as all the females in her family live deep into their 90s, so really it is her problem in the end!

    4. Going to a lawyer is of little use. I have to get my head around the laws of three (maybe four) different jurisdictions and understand how they may intersect or contravene one another. Lawyers are trained in the law of just one jurisdiction and are therefore fairly useless for complex matters.

    5. Lawyers are superfluous if the will is not going to be contested - most people leave their assets to their kids anyway. In that case, a simple statement hand-written and signed is quite enough.

    6. If I really want to circumvent all taxes, I would borrow against everything and buy a big pile of gold coins and give each kid their share. If you turn your immobile assets into gold coins, paintings, antiques, or whatever can be sold quickly and easily, leaving the immobile assets to amount to less than the threshold, the taxman is none the wiser. (Illegal of course - but there is only one true crime - getting caught!)
     
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    I'm going to guess here that men are far less likely to have a will than women?

    I'm also (slightly) guessing that the reason is a combination of not believing that they are going to die and not being bothered what happens when they are gone.

    A couple of people have tried to sell me wills - they made a very bad job of selling. In one case so bad that they had the appointment & I cancelled it. Ultimately we got a standard W H Smiths template
     
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    I see it as a bit like those PAT Testing companies who say you have to get everything tested and want to charge you hundreds of pounds to do it.

    The way Will Writing is (was) marketed tended to have the opposite effect on me and put me off

    I actually did mine using a template after a diagnosis and a couple of days before going in for major surgery.

    Fortunately by beneficiaries didn't need it :)
     
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    Did you leave that space to be filled in at a later date? :D

    I'm going to guess here that men are far less likely to have a will than women?

    I'm also (slightly) guessing that the reason is a combination of not believing that they are going to die and not being bothered what happens when they are gone.

    A couple of people have tried to sell me wills - they made a very bad job of selling. In one case so bad that they had the appointment & I cancelled it. Ultimately we got a standard W H Smiths template
    I'm not convinced, however if you are right it may be because women, generally are more responsible. I recall a conversation I had with a Rumanian man and woman and an English woman in the mid 80's. The man was insufferably arrogant about the role of men as lords of their property. I remember saying that there could never be equality until women stopped being responsible. He said 'about what'. the 3 of us replied, unanimously, 'about everything'.
     
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    There's a certain irony that most on here preach the need for legal expertise when buying or selling a business yet shy away from paying a few quid for such expertise when it comes to making a will!?

    We've got a will, cost us just under a grand and I think it money well spent. Our entire immediate family went away on holiday together and it seemed prudent to put some measures in place for the Jackals at home should a plane wing drop off.?
    Our circumstances at first sight look fairly normal barring there being an age difference (pulled a younger bird;)) and my having a child with another filly with whom we've had no contact for many years.

    What advice did we get? I can't remember the terminology but should either of us become seriously ill, requiring 24 hour hospital care our worldly goods, the house, cannot be sold under the others feet as it's in trust. I'd included a token sum of money for my estranged offspring in an earlier will but was advised to make it a percentage to avoid the unlikely but possible challenge for a bigger share of the spoils that could leave the missus financially squeezed.

    In answer to the opening question, my brother paid nearly £2k for a will, others I know less than £500. I don't think in either case they knew the up front costs, most don't.
     
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    If they remain simple, then probably ok. If they don't, the Solicitors will make their money wading through the paperwork at a later date.:p
    Won’t care. I’ll be dead.

    My will is simple: the wife gets everything. Just need to make sure my browser history gets deleted.
     
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    The one thing my template Will didn't really cover and what I would like to know (but still wouldn't pay a solicitor to confirm).

    What takes precedence if you have a Will and a named beneficiary of a pension? (if they contradict each other)
     
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    Won’t care. I’ll be dead.

    My will is simple: the wife gets everything. Just need to make sure my browser history gets deleted.
    My father did care what happened after he died and left the marital home in trust to us kids so that we had a roof over our heads for as long as we needed it. He had concerns that mum could meet and marry a manipulative wrongun, struggle on her own and we'd be put out on the streets.

    Dad died at 51 years of age, my sister was 7, mum never wanted to move on, and he left behind the only thing he could, security for everyone.
     
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    I bet @Mike-Smith is regretting starting this thread now :)

    For me two reasons:

    1. Have multiple business interests, some I know I’m going to sell, change ownership of etc hence I feel, rightly or wrongly that a will today is kind of pointless because of my circumstances changing - I envisage I would have to keep updating it but how often?

    2. I’m married so just assume the lot goes to wifey anyhow and she is practically guaranteed to outlive me. I trust her explicitly and know she would do the right thing by my adult children in any event.

    Good luck with your marketing.
     
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    2. I’m married so just assume the lot goes to wifey anyhow and she is practically guaranteed to outlive me. I trust her explicitly and know she would do the right thing by my adult children in any event.
    Quite unbelievable!

    I'd like to put you in touch with a mate of mine, happily married with 3 kids, he returned home one day to find a Dear John letter on the table. His missus had re-mortgaged the house, emptied the bank account and done a runner to set up home with a Greek bar owner they'd got to know on holiday.

    I can't put you in touch with my mate as some while later, still officially married he went into hospital for a routine operation and died on the table.

    Couple of quiz questions......
    1. Who got all the money?
    2. Who's got it now?
    3. Would a Will have helped?
     
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    Quite unbelievable!

    I'd like to put you in touch with a mate of mine, happily married with 3 kids, he returned home one day to find a Dear John letter on the table. His missus had re-mortgaged the house, emptied the bank account and done a runner to set up home with a Greek bar owner they'd got to know on holiday.

    I can't put you in touch with my mate as some while later, still officially married he went into hospital for a routine operation and died on the table.

    Couple of quiz questions......
    1. Who got all the money?
    2. Who's got it now?
    3. Would a Will have helped?
    I'll bet he's having a grand time haunting her!
     
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    I bet @Mike-Smith is regretting starting this thread now :)

    For me two reasons:

    1. Have multiple business interests, some I know I’m going to sell, change ownership of etc hence I feel, rightly or wrongly that a will today is kind of pointless because of my circumstances changing - I envisage I would have to keep updating it but how often?

    2. I’m married so just assume the lot goes to wifey anyhow and she is practically guaranteed to outlive me. I trust her explicitly and know she would do the right thing by my adult children in any event.

    Good luck with your marketing.
    And of course, one reason people don't make wills is that they assume things - like everything will go to the wife. Which is not correct.
     
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    I bet @Mike-Smith is regretting starting this thread now :)

    For me two reasons:

    1. Have multiple business interests, some I know I’m going to sell, change ownership of etc hence I feel, rightly or wrongly that a will today is kind of pointless because of my circumstances changing - I envisage I would have to keep updating it but how often?

    2. I’m married so just assume the lot goes to wifey anyhow and she is practically guaranteed to outlive me. I trust her explicitly and know she would do the right thing by my adult children in any event.

    Good luck with your marketing.
    This responses are exactly the reason why i set up this thread, and i expected these answers. There are clear reasons why 3/5 of the U.K adult population don't have a Will. What i am hearing here is mainly:

    1. Cost.
    2. Ignorant? bliss / naivety that when you are gone your partner, wife, husband, kids will get everything and there wont be any skeletons in the closet.
    3. You can write a Will yourself.
    4. My loved ones will do the right thing.
    5. I am fit and healthy and don't need one.....

    That i think sums up the thread.

    Ultimately passing away without a Will can cause undue stress to your loved ones, in time, money, and emotions, during what should be a period of grief.
    Setting up a Will is the only way that you can have a say over what happens to your assets when you die. Intestacy (the result of someone dying without a Will) can be (emphasis on the CAN rather than WILL) very painful for those picking up the pieces when you pass.

    Things to consider if you don't have a Will:
    A. Unnecessary tax bills for your beneficiaries
    B. If you are not married then your partner may not be entitled to your assets / estate.
    C. Your estate may go to people you do not want it to. For example, if you're separated, your estranged partner may benefit.
    D. The courts may choose an unsuitable or unwanted guardian(s) for your child(ren).
    E. Your business could be divided up, sold or given to someone you would not choose.
    F. Dependants needing care may not receive your financial assistance, no matter what your intentions.
    G. Other people may claim on your estate bringing large expenses, turmoil and lengthy delays to your loved ones.
    H. You won't know who will take care of your pets.

    Yes the above does not affect everyone, and obviously won't affect you once your dead, but there will be some of the above that do directly impact your loved ones / beneficiaries. Spending £100, £500, £1,000 or whatever you deem a suitable amount of money (if any) to alleviate the above is worth it in my opinion, but i have a Will and am obviously working for a Firm that offers that service.

    Anyway - I really appreciate all your inputs. Our Firm do need to consider what are the pain points / barriers - you have provided me with some great food for thought.
     
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    Our Firm do need to consider what are the pain points / barriers - you have provided me with some great food for thought.
    There are no pain points or barriers. I can write my own. There are loads of tutorials and videos offering guidance. The whole process took a couple of hours.
     
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    There are no pain points or barriers. I can write my own. There are loads of tutorials and videos offering guidance. The whole process took a couple of hours.
    As i said - for you that may be the case - for a lot of other people (not married, children from other relationships, complex trusts and business structures etc etc) there are a tonne of pain points that are unlikely (but not impossible) to be covered by the tutorials you have used. Its all subjective and certainly not your situation only. Thanks for the further input though.
     
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    My father in law passed away a few weeks ago, and he'd left a will. One page, very simple document. He left some specific items to each of his four kids, and the rest of the estate to be split equally. He did cover the fact that one of them may die before him, and what should happen to their share in that event.

    Probably more important for most people is a lasting power of attorney. People are very confident about what will happen if they die, but what happens if the become incapacitated?
     
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    As i said - for you that may be the case - for a lot of other people (not married, children from other relationships, complex trusts and business structures etc etc) there are a tonne of pain points that are unlikely (but not impossible) to be covered by the tutorials you have used. Its all subjective and certainly not your situation only. Thanks for the further input though.
    Maybe so but they don’t know they are pain points. Your job is to guide people so they understand why they need help.

    What you need to do is marketing. Don’t sell a will writing service, sell help and guidance. This means a whole load of content on your site answering every possible question anyone could ask. This could result in thousands of pages each one answering a specific question that also has a call to action where you offer the free consultation.
     
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    Maybe so but they don’t know they are pain points. Your job is to guide people so they understand why they need help.

    What you need to do is marketing. Don’t sell a will writing service, sell help and guidance. This means a whole load of content on your site answering every possible question anyone could ask. This could result in thousands of pages each one answering a specific question that also has a call to action where you offer the free consultation.
    love that idea. many thanks.
     
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    My father in law passed away a few weeks ago, and he'd left a will. One page, very simple document. He left some specific items to each of his four kids, and the rest of the estate to be split equally. He did cover the fact that one of them may die before him, and what should happen to their share in that event.

    Probably more important for most people is a lasting power of attorney. People are very confident about what will happen if they die, but what happens if the become incapacitated?
    I am very sorry to hear the news. Thoughts go out to you and your family.

    Appreciate you raising this important point.

    A Lasting Power of Attorney (LPA) is such an important document (alongside a Will), but again most people don't think about writing one until there has already been some kind of incapacitation (dementia, Alzheimer's, physical injury that affects mental capacity, mental health issue etc).

    Here are some of the common issues that occur due to no LPA (this is not an exhaustive list!):

    1. Your family are not permitted to make decisions for you.
    2. Individual bank accounts can be blocked.
    3. Some situations may result in the freezing of joint bank accounts.
    4. Your money cannot be used to pay bills.
    5. Property cannot be sold. If a cohabiting partner wanted to move, they couldn't.
    6. From a legal standpoint your next of kin cannot decide what medical care you receive.
    7. Your next of kin have no authority to decide personal matters like where you should live.
    8. Only a court order will provide your next of kin the legal right to act on your behalf. This is time-consuming and costly.

    This can cause all sorts of stress and financial impact for loved ones.

    Around 5 million people in the U.K have an LPA currently. I think this is more a case of if you don't know then you don't know, but more needs to be done to advise people of the issues around incapacitation. Especially as its estimated that 1 in 3 people in the U.K will suffer from a form of dementia in their lifetime.
     
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