70 mph ON THE MOTOWAY

[josor]

I got a brand new motor mate and it will do 6 trillion miles an hour and I want everyone to know how big and important I am sat behind me 10 thousand horse power..

speeding on the average UK road will not shorten your journey time,except if you are on the way to the cemetery.

More people killed on our roads than were killed in ww2.

264,000 died in active service during WWII
311,000 died on Britain's roads between1945-1998

Earl

But how many cars was on the road in ww2, compared to the cars on the road today.

 

[DotNetWebs]

Some interesting Stats about speed and meeting your maker.

http://www.hintsandthings.com/garage/stopmph.htm

Earl

Here's another sobering chart.

Anyone ever ever really thought about why we have 20mph School Zones?

You may be the 'best driver in the world' but if that push chair rolls off the kerb in front of you......

It Basic Physics.

Regards

Dotty

 

But how many cars was on the road in ww2, compared to the cars on the road today.

Is we missing something.?

People were trying to kill us during the war.

Drivers are not supposed to be,although many don't know it.

Earl

 

[captaincloser]

you seem to be on some sort if crusade to moan about speed. I do not speed in built up areas but on the motorway I regularly hit 100 depending on the conditions and congestion. I DO NOT accept im endangering anyone

Shame on you.

You are breaking the law and also I wonder how irresponsible people like you face families when you cause death on the roads ? The fact that you 'DO NOT ACCEPT' would not help you in a jury trial by your peers. It's a pity that dangerous drivers are not dealt with properly and harshly.It is murder by any other name at 100mph on any road.

 

[captaincloser]

Your boring me now, I have never caused an accident. Also anyone who says they never speed is either holier than thou or a liar

.... Or a non driver a I am !

'I have never caused an accident'..graveyards are full of this boast.

 

[josor]

.... Or a non driver a I am !

'I have never caused an accident'..graveyards are full of this boast.

So a non driver preaching about speed........ Get driving, then come back with comments about speeding, it may make it more viable with experience

 

[Subbynet]

I see what you are trying to say but the fact remains that, excluding the effects of gravity, the 'final' impact speed in a collision is going to be directly related to the speed the of the vehicle(s) immediately prior to the collision.

Regards

Dotty

Yeah, but the final impact speed depends on what you hit. If you hit a brick wall at 60mph your impact speed is 60mph, but if you hit an oncoming car at 60mph, your impact speed is 120mph. ouch!

Then other factors. If you have a car and a lorry both hit head on at 60mph, the weight of the lorry is going to put more force on the car.

The physics of a motorway crash and one outside a school are somewhat different because of the type of crash that will take place. That said I'm not against 20mph limits outside schools and 20-30mph in built-up areas.

I just think the motorways are capable of going up to 80mph. And in practice they have been doing this speed for years anyway.

 

[internetspaceships]

.... Or a non driver a I am !

'I have never caused an accident'..graveyards are full of this boast.

I would have thought that first hand knowledge of driving and the mechanics involved would have been a bonus to this discussion.

If I misunderstood your post then please accept my apologies.

 

[captaincloser]

So a non driver preaching about speed........

Scraping the barrel...if thats all you can come up with.

Can you tell me one more time the need for speed ? Course you cant.

 

[josor]

I would have thought that first hand knowledge of driving and the mechanics involved would have been a bonus to this discussion.

If I misunderstood your post then please accept my apologies.

Maybe playing those xbox or ps3 driving games, have given that knowledge

 

[papverpoppies]

I would have thought that first hand knowledge of driving and the mechanics involved would have been a bonus to this discussion.

If I misunderstood your post then please accept my apologies.

Why, I do not know how to fly a plane, but I know if they drop out of the sky the chances are you will not survive.

Pops ~xx~

 

[josor]

Scraping the barrel...if thats all you can come up with.

Can you tell me one more time the need for speed ? Course you cant.

Your the one that was saying about speed causing accidents. When clearly it isn't speed doesn't cause accident, inappropriate speed for the road and weather conditions cause accidents, for instance, going 90 on an almost empty motorway at 5am on a dry summers morning the chances of having an accident are extremely slim, but going 60 on a busy wet/icy or foggy motorway is madness and is likely to end up with an accident but you are not speeding

 

[captaincloser]

I would have thought that first hand knowledge of driving and the mechanics involved would have been a bonus to this discussion.

If I misunderstood your post then please accept my apologies.

All speeding is wrong and against the law.

Maybe one has to be a serial killer to know that mass murder is wrong ? Or a rapist to know that rape is wrong.

As I say its like arguing with Texans over gun law. Pointless.

 

[internetspaceships]

Why, I do not know how to fly a plane, but I know if they drop out of the sky the chances are you will not survive.

Pops ~xx~

Yes but you wouldn't be giving advice on a forum about what causes them to crash would you Pops?

 

[captaincloser]

Your the one that was saying about speed causing accidents. When clearly it isn't speed doesn't cause accident, inappropriate speed for the road and weather conditions cause accidents, for instance, going 90 on an almost empty motorway at 5am on a dry summers morning the chances of having an accident are extremely slim, but going 60 on a busy wet/icy or foggy motorway is madness and is likely to end up with an accident but you are not speeding

This post above is like saying firing a machine gun in the air in a desert is fine and safe...so we should all have machine guns at home ?

We should not have people breaking the laws on speeding...is that too hard a concept to argue ?

 

[papverpoppies]

Yes but you wouldn't be giving advice on a forum about what causes them to crash would you Pops?

Well I might

No, I would not!

Pops ~xx~

 

[josor]

This post above is like saying firing a machine gun in the air in a desert is fine and safe...so we should all have machine guns at home ?

We should not have people breaking the laws on speeding...is that too hard a concept to argue ?

It wouldn't kill you as terminal velocity is 125 mph iirc, so when they drop down they would be hitting the ground at 125 mph not the over 400 mph fired from a gun

 

[DotNetWebs]

...when they drop down they would be hitting the ground at 125 mph not the over 400 mph fired from a gun

True but it's still got a good chance of killing you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire#Falling-bullet_injuries

Regards

Dotty

 

[captaincloser]

Yes but you wouldn't be giving advice on a forum about what causes them to crash would you Pops?

Check my posts ...not a word of advice. Not a single word of advice, all I have offered is a bottomless well of criticism.

Who can give advice to boy racers (of any age group) ? Its an oxymoron if ever there was one.

 

[DotNetWebs]

... but if you hit an oncoming car at 60mph...

This why I said vehicles(s)...

Regards

Dotty

 

[captaincloser]

Maybe playing those xbox or ps3 driving games, have given that knowledge

OOOH ! Clever guy...but no idea about this, sorry.

You live in Lincolnshore ? Any idea where your county with its straight roads stands on the league table of fatal motorcycle accidents ? Its at the top.

Got any smart reply to that ?

 

[internetspaceships]

I really don't see why there's a need to get heated over this.

It's meant to be a discussion not a fight. Closer obviously feels strongly about people driving quickly. There's no harm in that.

However, when taken in context with the original thread title about motorways, it's worth bearing in mind that motorways aren't where most of the accidents take place.

 

[DuckingandDiving]

Speed is the issue and you need to take a step back to see this.

Bad drivig will be around whatever the speed...

What do you mean when you say speed. are you talking about going over the ''speed limit''. Is that what you mean by speeding.

 

[josor]

OOOH ! Clever guy...but no idea about this, sorry.

You live in Lincolnshore ? Any idea where your county with its straight roads stands on the league table of fatal motorcycle accidents ? Its at the top.

Got any smart reply to that ?

Whats that got to do with speed?

A new Government report has once again revealed that speeding is actually only a minor cause of motorcycle accidents. The Government’s “Compendium of Motorcycle Statistics 2007” repeats earlier findings showing that exceeding the speed limit is put down as a contributory factor – and even then not necessarily as the main cause – of just four percent of bike crashes where some blame is put on the rider. The biggest factor is “failure to look properly”, a contributory factor in 15 percent of motorcycle crashes, followed by “loss of control” at 14 percent and “failed to judge other persons path or speed” at 11 percent. “Careless, reckless or in a hurry” also rates at 11 percent, but this doesn’t mean actually breaking the speed limit. “Exceeding the speed limit” was jointly rated as the bottom contributory factor, alongside “following too close”, also on four percent.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/N...107speedingonlyminorcauseofmotorcyclecrashes/

 

[captaincloser]

What do you mean when you say speed. are you talking about going over the ''speed limit''. Is that what you mean by speeding.

I give up..this thread is speeding over a cliff...

Nobody seems willing or able to say why they break the law (speed limit)...

Taking the dog out now... I seem to be on my own against a nation of boy racers. You only speed because you can .There is never is the slightest tangible benefit except getting to the next place to speed away from and so it goes on...life in the fast lane.

 

[DuckingandDiving]

I give up..this thread is speeding over a cliff...

Nobody seems willing or able to say why they break the law (speed limit)...

Well if youre defining speeding as simply breaking the law youre well off the mark. Someone doing 25mph in a 30 zone, outside a school at chucking out time, is well within the speed limit and no speeding according to you and the law, when doing 25mph with kids likely to run out beween parked cars means theyre being wreckless and dangerous and could very likely run a kid over as they may not be able to stop in time. Speeding is a very emotive subject it seems and is also an easy scapegoat, and an easy get out clause, instead of looking at the real issues of poor driving skills, poor attitude of drivers, poor training, no requirement for retesting or advanced driving skills and even worse, many drivers driving without glasses when they need them. there was a survey a while ago conducted by some agency that showed nearly 40% of the drivers they stopped and tested needed glasses but werent wearing them.

 

Well after reading this thread there are only 2 people I would get in a car with one being Dotwebnets and the other being Captain closer even if he can't drive.


The rest seem like a bunch of boy racers to me,trying to justify the unjustifiable.:|

after 55 years of driving I can assure you Speed is the major factor in accidents.

Earl

 

[mit74]

Well after reading this thread there are only 2 people I would get in a car with one being Dotwebnets and the other being Captain closer even if he can't drive.


The rest seem like a bunch of boy racers to me,trying to justify the unjustifiable.:|

after 55 years of driving I can assure you Speed is the major factor in accidents.

Earl

and age is a major factor in peoples opinions

 

[josor]

Well after reading this thread there are only 2 people I would get in a car with one being Dotwebnets and the other being Captain closer even if he can't drive.


The rest seem like a bunch of boy racers to me,trying to justify the unjustifiable.:|

after 55 years of driving I can assure you Speed is the major factor in accidents.

Earl

Strange as speed accounts for 13.9% of fatal accidents on the road.

What accounts for more fatal accidents (15.9 per cent) is "travelling too fast for the conditions," which may happen without breaking any official speed limits at all.


http://www.cars.co.uk/articles/what-went-wrong-main-causes-of-accidents.html

 

[DotNetWebs]

...one being Dotwebnets...

You haven't seen me drive yet!

But seriously, I took a bit of an interest in this as I was once rear-ended while stationary on the M25 by a car doing 70mph.

Luckily I and the other driver, plus the one hit by my car when it was catapulted forward, were all OK - although we were all taken to Hospital for observation. Two other cars were also damaged.

Having see the damage on my car I am convinced an extra 10mph could have made all the difference...

I doubt the outcome would have been any difference whatever the speed limit though. He was still accelerating when he hit me...

Regards

Dotty

 

[captaincloser]

Well after reading this thread there are only 2 people I would get in a car with one being Dotwebnets and the other being Captain closer even if he can't drive.


The rest seem like a bunch of boy racers to me,trying to justify the unjustifiable.:|

after 55 years of driving I can assure you Speed is the major factor in accidents.

Earl

You can come with me on one of my narrowboats Earl.We could be in Birmingham within a week from central London

 

I have driven over 750,000 miles as a motor cycle courier and over 50,000 in a car some of the driving i have seen is hard to take in ,everything from reversing up a motor way slip road ,lots of people so drunk the cars are bouncing of the cerbs ,a guy did a u turn on a duel caridgeway and drove into me snapping my arm in half .
and the list goes on but the top of the list is tail gaters and people who drive at 70 + in shocking weather rain snow and fog ,if they had to stop they would be dead and take a few with them .
How about bringing back traffic cops im marked cars again not the speed trap vans and unmarked sports car cops ,get the police seen on the roads it keeps the nutters in check .

 

[captaincloser]

and age is a major factor in peoples opinions

I sincerely hope it is.

When I was 20 my opinion was that David Bowie was the 'Man who ruled the world'.

 

Strange as speed accounts for 13.9% of fatal accidents on the road.

What accounts for more fatal accidents (15.9 per cent) is "travelling too fast for the conditions," which may happen without breaking any official speed limits at all.

Your fact are wrong and nowhere did I say breaking the speed limit .

people travelling to fast for the conditions are speeding.

Earl

 

[josor]

I am not saying speed isn't a factor in some accidents, but blanket saying speed is the main course is wrong as the statistics proof otherwise.

http://assets.dft.gov.uk/statistics...nd-safety-annual-report-2010/rrcgb2010-04.pdf

On average 2.5 contributory factors per accident were reported in 2010. The 77 contributory factors fit into one of nine categories as previously discussed. Chart RAS50001 shows the percentage of accidents with contributory factors in each category. Please note that only reported accidents where a police officer attended the scene and reported at least one contributory factor were considered.

The contributory factor category driver/rider error or reaction was the most frequently reported category, involved in 70 per cent of all accidents reported to the police. It was the most frequently reported category for each severity of accident.

Injudicious action (including travelling too fast for conditions, following too close and exceeding speed limit) was the second most frequently reported category, involved in 25 per cent of all accidents. The corresponding figure for fatal accidents was higher at 29 per cent.

Special codes (including stolen vehicle, vehicle in course of crime and emergency vehicle on a call) were reported for 4 per cent of all accidents.

Failed to look properly was again the most frequently reported contributory factor and was reported in 40 per cent of all accidents reported to the police in 2010. Four of the five most frequently reported contributory factors involved driver or rider error or reaction. For fatal accidents the most frequently reported contributory factor was loss of control, which was involved in 34 per cent of fatal accidents.

Pedestrian failed to look properly was reported in 60 per cent of accidents in which a pedestrian was injured or killed, and pedestrian careless, reckless or in a hurry was reported in 25 per cent of accidents.

Exceeding the speed limit was reported as a factor in 5 per cent of accidents, but these accidents involved 14 per cent of fatalities. At least one of exceeding the speed limit and travelling too fast for the conditions was reported in 12 per cent of all accidents and these accidents accounted for 24 per cent of all fatalities

 

and age is a major factor in peoples opinions

and experience.

Earl

 

[josor]

Your fact are wrong and nowhere did I say breaking the speed limit .

people travelling to fast for the conditions are speeding.

Earl

pfffft.....

 

You haven't seen me drive yet!

But seriously, I took a bit of an interest in this as I was once rear-ended while stationary on the M25 by a car doing 70mph.

Luckily I and the other driver, plus the one hit by my car when it was catapulted forward, were all OK - although we were all taken to Hospital for observation. Two other cars were also damaged.

Having see the damage on my car I am convinced an extra 10mph could have made all the difference...

I doubt the outcome would have been any difference whatever the speed limit though. He was still accelerating when he hit me...

Regards

Dotty

I will have to cross you off my list as I don't do the M25 lemming parade.:|

The narrow boat sounds fine to me.

Earl

 

[mit74]

Strange as speed accounts for 13.9% of fatal accidents on the road.

What accounts for more fatal accidents (15.9 per cent) is "travelling too fast for the conditions," which may happen without breaking any official speed limits at all.


http://www.cars.co.uk/articles/what-went-wrong-main-causes-of-accidents.html

yep this is what most of us are trying to say!! There's a diffrence between going too fast and speeding. Every single accident and near miss I've encountered has been caused by someone going under the speed limit but driving with blinkers on or in a world of their own.

People go on about women drivers and elderly and I have to admit the 3 near serious accidents I've had have been caused by 2 women and one elderly man all going under the speed limit. Both times the women where at roundabouts and the elderly bloke actually drove down the wrong side of the road at some lights and I had to swerve up a bank to avoid a head on collision both doing about 25mph.

 

[DuckingandDiving]

We could be in Birmingham within a week from central London

Im not in favor of boat racers like you rocking me all over the place when Im moored up, speeding past at 4mph