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    wow this convo soon picked up some pace.plenty of mud throwing.nice love it.

    hmmm

    going back to noah. i see noah and his ark much the same as erm the seed volt in norway i think or up north in the cold somewhere.where ability to lets say create life on another planet if the conditions are right or even here maybe
    so here on earth we have seed volts,we also have GM animals plants and others all here now.the ability to create and play..............................god

    .norway and noah know/knew something dont you think.there is the big picture in the minds of modern man of those in past times of dying young and because of there written language to describe things many see them as some backward mongs that didnt know what day it was..both things are far from true.

    age dying at 40? really ? are you sure? i suppose the myths for some are really myths,ages of hundreds of years were surely not possible back then right?

    so how did noah know the flood was coming?
    god told him
    but who what is god?
    what is truth?
    would you care if you knew the truth?
    would you care if you were not top of the food chain?
     
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    stockdam said:
    Sticking to an atheist's universe.....
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    I'm not sure what you mean by that term - there is no atheist's universe just a universe. Perhaps you mean that the universe has no inbuilt morality? - if so, then we all agree.

    [If it did contain an inbuilt morality, you could point to it as a kind of evidence for a god - the fact that it doesn't indicates that there is no god, or at least that God is indifferent to us and everything else that he is supposed to have created.]

    Outside of humanity (and to a limited extent, maybe some animals), morals are a delusion as they do not exist.
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    The fact that the universe is amoral (how could it be otherwise, being inanimate?) does not mean that morality is a delusion.

    It's very obviously real and can be tested and verified to exist amongst us humans (and, altruistic behaviours - I wouldn't call them moral behaviours - are found in many social animals from ants to chimps). The universe does not contain fridge freezers outside human inhabitation but I doubt that they are simply my personal delusion.
     
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    MASSEY said:
    You changed your tune.
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    How come?

    Morals are either a delusion that are not important in the greater scale of things or else they are based on intent depending on what you want to believe.

    Religion is the study, worship and following of a god and although there may be a difference of opinion the morals adopted are generally similar to those of atheists. Religious people are people and their morals encompass the full spectrum of moral behaviour.........none of which are good enough. Morality is linked to God and not to religion.
     
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    Consistency

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    I do not think that National Minimum Wage amounts to Slavery at all. I think Slavery exists but not as minimum wage. The true cost of a company paying minimum wages is quite different to what an employee takes home.

    What slaves gets 4 weeks free money otherwise known as holiday pay? That is just one thing, there are many more.
     
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    Consistency said:
    I do not think that National Minimum Wage amounts to Slavery at all. I think Slavery exists but not as minimum wage. The true cost of a company paying minimum wages is quite different to what an employee takes home.

    What slaves gets 4 weeks free money otherwise known as holiday pay? That is just one thing, there are many more.
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    :p

    no worries i wasnt planning on hijacking this thread :D

    so does the bible say your allowed slaves ?
     
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    Top Hat said:
    Is it just me, or is this just a big bunch of nonsensical gibberish?
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    No, it's not just you. This is postmodernist claptrap. I can't make up my mind whether it's intellectual cowardice or intellectual dishonesty.

    I can't actually make out if it's English, to be honest. I mean, the words are English, but they don't seem to be arranged in an order one would generally label as meaningful.

    2 + 2 = 4 no matter how many dimensions, universes or gods you invoke
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    Well, in base 3, 2+2 = 11, and in base 4, 2+2 = 10. I thought I'd mention it because if I don't you're going to get another deluge of you-know-what.

    Warmly,

    Jon
     
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    hmmm

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    jonmcculloch said:
    No, I'm not. Really, I'm not.

    Way, way back you said something like "we agree the star is on and off".

    No, we don't.

    Just like a broken teapot doesn't mean the hammer is still hitting it as the pieces are falling to the floor.

    Warmly,

    Jon
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    correct as now your seeing. it cant be just on or off it can be on,off or other.
    3
    a tea pot is fixed broken or other .again 3

    :D
     
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    We have Intelligent Design is Not Against Science.

    My favourite bit of all:

    "If people die when hearts, kidneys and livers fail, then how did anyone live while those organs “evolved?” The obvious answer is that they didn’t. Man began as he is today."
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    The stupid, it burns.

    A variation on Behe's irreducible complexity.

    It's almost as dumb as that old creationist stupidity

    "if man descends from apes, why are there still apes?"
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    I love these people. So... thick.

    Warmly,

    Jon
     
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    jonmcculloch said:
    I know women who charge for it!

    Love the sig, by the way.

    Warmly,

    Jon
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    Thank you, you should see our ministry!!!

    Prostitutes are also known as White Slaves, yet many of these "Slaves" also seem to be doing quite well.

    I think the slaves we have in modern day existence are child carers who parents are drunk and demand them get their beer out of the fridge, the ones who are beaten and held by gangs to work on the cheap.

    When people think of these "White Slaves" such as prostitutes they seem to get much sympathy when some lets say do not need it.

    I knew a man who used to work in a charity that used to go around giving sandwiches and things to prostitutes. Some of them may be in a bad condition but not all. I do not say this is bad but the damage that prostitutes do is far reaching.

    Some are their by choice and are not poor.
     
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    hmmm

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    jonmcculloch said:
    No, Hmm. It's not. There is no other.

    Warmly,

    Jon
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    hmmm.
    so things just change on there own do they?


    It likening to trying to state that a grid laid out over a moving body of water (the grid being the line construct that mathematic formulas are based in) will always produce the same results when observed from above. It could not because the body of water is made up of matter and energy, both of which are in a constant state of movement. So the grid you laid out over this body of water would only allow one accurate result before the inaccuracies became apparent the next instant you try to "cycle" the formula.

    But here is a clever twist the laws written for the construct allow for the observation to become a "generalized" observation, or in other words, it allows for "ignorance" of differentiations of the body of water as the concept is then to reduce the resolutional aspects to the "entire" body of water so that it "fits" the inaccuracies of mathematical computations.

    Cycles repeat themselves blaaaa nothing ever repeats itself "ever" hence mathematics inevitable flaw as using a singular-cyclitic-event are never accurate because the mathematics was derived from a two dimensional perspective, not a three or higher as it should be.

    Are their uses for simplistic mathematics that has repeating bases? Sure, the computer and engineering aspect seem to have done quite well, but we can do far greater things then that.

    And two dimensional constructs do not exist in reality as reality is a multi dimensional event that has no two dimensions or one for that matter
     
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    hmmm said:
    hmmm.
    so things just change on there own do they?
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    Errr. yes. Some do, actually.

    It likening to trying to state that a grid laid out over a moving body of water (the grid being the line construct that mathematic formulas are based in) will always produce the same results when observed from above. It could not because the body of water is made up of matter and energy, both of which are in a constant state of movement. So the grid you laid out over this body of water would only allow one accurate result before the inaccuracies became apparent the next instant you try to "cycle" the formula.

    But here is a clever twist the laws written for the construct allow for the observation to become a "generalized" observation, or in other words, it allows for "ignorance" of differentiations of the body of water as the concept is then to reduce the resolutional aspects to the "entire" body of water so that it "fits" the inaccuracies of mathematical computations.

    Cycles repeat themselves blaaaa nothing ever repeats itself "ever" hence mathematics inevitable flaw as using a singular-cyclitic-event are never accurate because the mathematics was derived from a two dimensional perspective, not a three or higher as it should be.

    Are their uses for simplistic mathematics that has repeating bases? Sure, the computer and engineering aspect seem to have done quite well, but we can do far greater things then that.

    And two dimensional constructs do not exist in reality as reality is a multi dimensional event that has no two dimensions or one for that matter
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    I like spoons.

    Warmly,

    Jon
     
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    jonmcculloch said:
    I love these people. So... thick.
    Jon
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    I don't really worry too much about the truly thick, I can explain them to myself - they're gullible, have been fed rubbish since birth, have never been taught how to think and have a need to believe.

    But Behe isn't dim and he's properly educated but he's still spouting the ID stuff long, long after it's been demonstrated he's wrong. That requires fraud and corruption, not just delusion.
     
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    Consistency

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    Parthelan knows everything according to the world of Parthelan.

    Noah was a kind man, trusted by God and obeyed.

    Parthelan is a man who has plenty of outings and gives out shedloads of money to his many children. We hear many times how he says "They have come for my money again - oh well there you go sweety". I would prefer DWP - it is obvious his lifestyle is fake. Parthelan is simply a better actor.

    Still we pray that the ones that walked away can return and know the love they are without.
     
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    Consistency said:
    Parthelan knows everything according to the world of Parthelan.

    Noah was a kind man, trusted by God and obeyed.

    Parthelan is a man who has plenty of outings and gives out shedloads of money to his many children. We hear many times how he says "They have come for my money again - oh well there you go sweety". I would prefer DWP - it is obvious his lifestyle is fake. Parthelan is simply a better actor.

    Still we pray that the ones that walked away can return and know the love they are without.
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    :eek::eek::eek::D x

    I do believe I have the divil in me ternight :p x
     
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    Parthelan

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    FaerieB said:
    I know you don't have Connie on your ignore list anyway :p:D x
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    You're absolutely right, theres no one called connie on my ignore list. ;)

    Consistency is though - permanently. There's no forgiveness, no absolution, no possibility of ever entering the all encompassing light of my dialogue box. :D

    I can see straight through him. He is premanently and irrevokably ignored by me.
     
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