does a certified electrician have to rewire a house?
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Bri
I would offer that the OP takes his advice from the url links provided which are etched in stone and define the requirments. Both Attlia & Saxondale have not really made a constructive enough argument in their rather contrite statements, I would hazard to suggest more destructive. These people look to you for advice, please give it to them instead of your one liners, which obviously find their mark to those who bite. Why not point people in the right direction with a constructive statement and possibly a referral of someone you know in their area who might give them a fair price or offer yourselves to do the work as you both know better than anyone instead of lying in wait for the next poor soul to dare to come along and ask for advice.
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saxondale
do you want me to copy and paste them?
I can email you a copy or you can download them from the govt site
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If a person carrying out building work contravenes the Building Regulations, the local authority or another person may decide to take them to the magistrates' court where they could be fined up to £5000 for the contravention, and up to £50 for each day the contravention continues after conviction (section 35 of the Building Act 1984).
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/en...responsibilities/workrespbr/workrespbrfailure
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/en...responsibilities/workrespbr/workrespbrfailure
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As said just do the work and don't tell anyone.
If you feel you need to tell someone then you are not qualified to do the work.
Best to get a professional Electrician in.
Earl
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I actually took your point there and replied accordingly at the time.I wouldnt just say to someone though, there you go theres the published document go away and have read of that, not really constructive, and yes you do have to be constructive at times and this is one of those times,youre trying to dissuade the OP from a possible major DIY disaster and abide by the rules.
Its like most things Steve if we had the choice Joe Public wouldnt be able to buy anything other than a lamp from B&Q etc, anything else would be via a bona fide trade account from a wholesaler.I've actually been horrified at the amount of gear available to jobbers in these places, especially when it comes to pricing a job when the customer says 'yeah but its only pennies in B&Q', 'glad youve done your research there mate'(but thats another topic for another day).
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Originally Posted by Steve Cool
Anybody want to buy some old black/red twin and earth ?? I have miles of it left over, 1mm, 1.5mm, 2.5mm and 4mm.
Use this stuff and you could argue the case that the rewire was done pre part P........no certificate needed.
Steve
you know better than that - way beneath you Steve
I suspect that arrow was fired at you
I would say thats a little more constructive.
Lets use some analogies, ECU Management systems on cars stop you doing repairs on your own car and has to be carried out by a garage that has these facilities and you pay them to carry out said repairs. Likewise building regs are there for a reason, to protect the end user from disasters that have happened prior to that particular reg. The people who have contributed here, Saxondale, Attila, Skyhi, Steve Cool, myself will all have gone through training at their own expense to study and be familiar with these regs and the IEE Regs whatever edition you may be familiar with.So with that in mind, why would you want to DIY it, why not let someone more qualified and follows the rules take the risk, its almost an insurance policy for you. I do not carry out any electrical installations any more, since the late 80's and have been in management roles since and have not had the need to update my editions but do keep abreast of whats going on, more so in the field I'm currently in. I acknolwedged earlier that the information to me was helpful. I would always advise getting specialist advice.
Now everyone stop fighting.
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All I want to know is where it says someone whoi isnt a qualified electrician is breaking building regs by doing the work?
In the OP'S case the electician isn't qualified, but it is perfectly acceptable for him to do the work if the OP wants him to.
All he has to do is notify building control first.
If he has been wiring for 10+ years, the local building control probably know him anyway, so will probably just do a standard check at the end of the job.
If the OP's friend is doing the job at mates rates, it will probably be cheaper doing it this way anyway.
Has anyone got a link to anywhere that contradicts this?
In the OP'S case the electician isn't qualified, but it is perfectly acceptable for him to do the work if the OP wants him to.
All he has to do is notify building control first.
If he has been wiring for 10+ years, the local building control probably know him anyway, so will probably just do a standard check at the end of the job.
If the OP's friend is doing the job at mates rates, it will probably be cheaper doing it this way anyway.
Has anyone got a link to anywhere that contradicts this?
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As said just do the work and don't tell anyone.
If you feel you need to tell someone then you are not qualified to do the work.
Best to get a professional Electrician in.
Earl
best not to tell your insurance company either.
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exactly why we try not to be because unfortunatly this then leads to
Lets use some analogies, ECU Management systems on cars stop you doing repairs on your own car and has to be carried out by a garage that has these facilities and you pay them to carry out said repairs. Likewise building regs are there for a reason, to protect the end user from disasters that have happened prior to that particular reg. The people who have contributed here, Saxondale, Attila, Skyhi, Steve Cool, myself will all have gone through training at their own expense to study and be familiar with these regs and the IEE Regs whatever edition you may be familiar with.So with that in mind, why would you want to DIY it, why not let someone more qualified and follows the rules take the risk, its almost an insurance policy for you. I do not carry out any electrical installations any more, since the late 80's and have been in management roles since and have not had the need to update my editions but do keep abreast of whats going on, more so in the field I'm currently in. I acknolwedged earlier that the information to me was helpful. I would always advise getting specialist advice.
Now everyone stop fighting.
there are no analogies required - there is a statutary instrument that says you cannot rewire your house "DIY"
IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE
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Second time of posting - 1st got deleted apparently
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADP_2006.pdf
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saxondale
have you read the building regs I posted the link to yet?
(and the 2006 ammendment you can find for yourself)
if you have you could answer your own question.
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This was pointed out early on. Unfortunately some chose to disagree and suggest it was acceptable to do anything they liked.
They may not agree with the Statutory Instruments, nor may i, but they exist non the less.
It does beg the question what work standards are employed by those who feel they can do as they like regarding the Building regs.
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Where after that does it say he has to be qualified? it even says in the approved document that a DIYer can do the job.
Do you agree with my previous statement or not?
"the OP'S non qualified electrician is perfectly acceptable"
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you seem to arguing a different point to the thread.
the subject is does the work need notifying, it`s a given that a "non competant"* person shouldnt be doing it either way
* as defined by the standards and posted earlier.
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...you are the tool that has to deliver that instrument, thats how we get our work, but by simply saying you cant is not enough, the customer will turn around and just say f*** it I wont bother having it done.
Conversely, building control are sometimes not up to speed on things. I can give several examples in the last year that BC have visited site and simply told the client you opened up your means of escape then you have to have 'x'. They have recommended us on every occasion and we have gone in and advised that according to building regs and B/Standards for this you have to have 'x,y and z and the cost is' ....., answer straight away is f*** it,I'll not bother with it.
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You worry to much.:|
One of No1 sons little rewiring jobs .
most pointless post of the day goes too .................
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...apt and funny.
Sax, its like banging your head against a brick wall with you, but then that would be unfair to the wall. You must be real fun at the pub,' who can I wind up today?' I do find you funny though.
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