does a certified electrician have to rewire a house?

[trixyben]

what im looking to find out is does a certified electrician have to rewire a house and is there a certificate that has to be sent for when done?

the thing is a i need my house completely rewired and i was going to get my pal to do it who is a sparkie and has been for over 10 years but hasnt served his time and got the certs...

Dont wanna get myself in ****e with the councils (or whoever inspects?) if ya no what i mean.

Any advise would be helpful cheers

 

[My Owl 1]

I think I am right in saying that some one with experience of electrical wiring can do the job but it has to be fully tested and passed by a qualified electrician, who can give you the certificate.

Best wishes

Avril

 

[Bri]

yup Avril is right, I would advise passing it to a time served electrician who can provide or get the installation tested and signed off for you. I'm sorry I would hesitate to use anyone to carry out electrical or any essential service work to my property that havent served a recognised apprenticeship and achieved some sort of qualification however well I knew them. Although the phrase of the 80's and 90's was competent, so I may be pulled apart for what I have just said.

 

[Atilla]

Your friend can do it. You would need the install tested and certificated by a registered sparks, as Bri said. However, that's the difficult bit.
No Sparks in his right mind would sign off work done by others he didin't know. That doesn't mean the install is wrong, he is simply covering his a**e if something did crop up later.
Installs can pass testing only for a fault/problem to manifest itself a few weeks later.

The cost saving you think you might make getting your friend to do it may turn out to be a false one.

 

[saxondale]

I think I am right in saying that some one with experience of electrical wiring can do the job but it has to be fully tested and passed by a qualified electrician, who can give you the certificate.

Best wishes

Avril

wrong

yup Avril is right, I would advise passing it to a time served electrician who can provide or get the installation tested and signed off for you. I'm sorry I would hesitate to use anyone to carry out electrical or any essential service work to my property that havent served a recognised apprenticeship and achieved some sort of qualification however well I knew them. Although the phrase of the 80's and 90's was competent, so I may be pulled apart for what I have just said.

wrong

Your friend can do it. You would need the install tested and certificated by a registered sparks, as Bri said. However, that's the difficult bit.
No Sparks in his right mind would sign off work done by others he didin't know. That doesn't mean the install is wrong, he is simply covering his a**e if something did crop up later.
Installs can pass testing only for a fault/problem to manifest itself a few weeks later.

The cost saving you think you might make getting your friend to do it may turn out to be a false one.

and your just having fun on a Sunday you little tyke.



to the O/P - your friend will need to issue a notice to building control, pay the fee (£385.00 round here) do the work to regs and then get BC to come and certify it, thats assuming they play ball and they understand the rules better than the next man who is going to post a reply on here .....................

 

[Bri]

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wrong



and your just having fun on a Sunday you little tyke.



to the O/P - your friend will need to issue a notice to building control, pay the fee (£385.00 round here) do the work to regs and then get BC to come and certify it, thats assuming they play ball and they understand the rules better than the next man who is going to post a reply on here .....................

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bri
yup Avril is right, I would advise passing it to a time served electrician who can provide or get the installation tested and signed off for you. I'm sorry I would hesitate to use anyone to carry out electrical or any essential service work to my property that havent served a recognised apprenticeship and achieved some sort of qualification however well I knew them. Although the phrase of the 80's and 90's was competent, so I may be pulled apart for what I have just said.

wrong

What wrong that I'd be pulled apart for it? Unlike you

I'm not wrong about getting a qualified electrician in though, although I have to say I havent been up to date on my electrical bits for a number of years and what Saxondale says is quite true, hence backing myself up by saying I wouldnt get a mate to do it, however knowledgeable he is.There are some decent DIYers out there but you want this done properly and by the book.

 

[estwig]

Saxondale is right, the rest of you are wrong, which also makes me right, cool eh??

 

[estwig]

I should add if it is your own house and you live there, fill your boots do what you like, it's your house, your paying for it and you gotta live in it. This is a perfectly legal perspective.

 

[saxondale]

I should add if it is your own house and you live there, fill your boots do what you like, it's your house, your paying for it and you gotta live in it. This is a perfectly legal perspective.

and you could save even more by cancelling your insurance - little point paying all those premiums to not get paid out.

 

[mattley23]

Get either an electrician or a registered domestic electrical installer to do the work, test and certificate it. Accept no substitutes!

 

[estwig]

and you could save even more by cancelling your insurance - little point paying all those premiums to not get paid out.

Absolutely, fear mongering little gits them insurance salesmen.

 

[Cornish Steve]

When we lived in Wales, we had no electricity at all upstairs and virtually no lights in any room. Basically, I bought a book to figure out what to do and just did it - putting in power sockets and installing some ceiling light fittings. At one point, I managed to blow up the lights by connecting things wrongly (I had that reputation in the chemistry lab too), but we just called a neighbour up the street who sorted it out. Everything turned out just fine, and it cost next to nothing.

Frankly, regulations often get in the way and make inexpensive things very expensive. Plus, if it's your house, you should be able to do what you like. It's none of the government's business what you do. For some things, it might be wise to get advice or services from an expert, but for most things there's no need - especially when you're starting out.

But that was many years ago now. You've been living with the nanny state since then, and I sometimes think you need permission to blow your nose.

 

[Atilla]

and your just having fun on a Sunday you little tyke.



to the O/P - your friend will need to issue a notice to building control, pay the fee (£385.00 round here) do the work to regs and then get BC to come and certify it, thats assuming they play ball and they understand the rules better than the next man who is going to post a reply on here .....................

Rumbled me so soon, drats.

Yes, i'd missed out the Notify Buliding Control bit.
Use proper certified sparks (part P registered) and they will take care of it all re BC.
Use your mate and it gets messy.

Even when it is your own home, above rules still apply re BC

 

[An Oasis]

So how exactly can they tell a DIY job. Cable type has been the same for years, OK so consumer boxes, MCB, RCD rating have changed but that is over quite a few years no easy way to pin things down...

 

[An Oasis]

But that was many years ago now. You've been living with the nanny state since then, and I sometimes think you need permission to blow your nose.

That is so true and I'm really worried....so many buy in to it. Sure there are some plus sides but the state taking control means that everyone stops thinking...and that is the worst possible outcome.

 

[estwig]

Even when it is your own home, above rules still apply re BC

No they don't, this is where scaremongering on the part of sparks comes into play, that and modern society says you can't sneeze without someone singing it off!

It's your house and you can do the wiring if you like and yes that is perfectly legal and above board.

Besides which at the end of the day, there are never more than 3 wires involved, it ain't rocket science!

 

[skyhi2]

And when he has finished rewiring,he can fit the central heating too,same rules apply.

Skyhi2.

 

[Atilla]

No they don't, this is where scaremongering on the part of sparks comes into play, that and modern society says you can't sneeze without someone singing it off!

It's your house and you can do the wiring if you like and yes that is perfectly legal and above board.

Besides which at the end of the day, there are never more than 3 wires involved, it ain't rocket science!

Beg to differ.

 

[An Oasis]

And when he has finished rewiring,he can fit the central heating too,same rules apply.

Skyhi2.

Strange you should mention that the last 2 jobs we have had done have been by "pros" and both had ended up with Transco being called out and an investigation...might have been better off DIYing, at least then I'd make sure the job had been done properly...leaking gas is a bit poor when you're a smoker.

 

[Atilla]

No they don't, this is where scaremongering on the part of sparks comes into play, that and modern society says you can't sneeze without someone singing it off!

It's your house and you can do the wiring if you like and yes that is perfectly legal and above board.

Besides which at the end of the day, there are never more than 3 wires involved, it ain't rocket science!

To clarify, the above would only be valid, providing all testing and compliance with relevant regs is adhered to as indicated previously.

 

[My Owl 1]

yup Avril is right, I would advise passing it to a time served electrician who can provide or get the installation tested and signed off for you. I'm sorry I would hesitate to use anyone to carry out electrical or any essential service work to my property that havent served a recognised apprenticeship and achieved some sort of qualification however well I knew them. Although the phrase of the 80's and 90's was competent, so I may be pulled apart for what I have just said.

Thanks Bri.

 

[My Owl 1]

confused .DOT com.

 

[roydmoorian]

My prospective son-in-law, from an old established building & joinery firm, started the domestic electrician's certificate course but gave it up half way through after a motorcycle accident as he became disillusioned with the administration.

The college later sent him his certificate - passed with distinction -

 

[saxondale]

confused .DOT com.

dont be - two people who actually know are saying

"you can DIY ..... you just have to get it checked by your local councils building control officer (for a fee) afterwards, give them a call first to make sure you do things in the correct order"


you`ll not get a "sparks" signing off someone elses work anymore.



the rest of its just the usual forum noise





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[An Oasis]

Strange you should mention that the last 2 jobs we have had done have been by "pros" and both had ended up with Transco being called out and an investigation...might have been better off DIYing, at least then I'd make sure the job had been done properly...leaking gas is a bit poor when you're a smoker.

I should point out I'm not having a pop at the real pros. We needed the jobs doing quickly and it was the peak of the property boom, so we had to go with anyone who would take on the jobs…hindsight is a wonderful thang.

 

[estwig]

To clarify, the above would only be valid, providing all testing and compliance with relevant regs is adhered to as indicated previously.

No it doesn't, not if it is your house and you are the one doing the work, this is for electrical work, it is different for anything involving gas or structural work which has to be either signed off or undertaken by a qualified professional. But you can do your own electrics if you so wish.

 

[saxondale]

No it doesn't, not if it is your house and you are the one doing the work, this is for electrical work, it is different for anything involving gas or structural work which has to be either signed off or undertaken by a qualified professional. But you can do your own electrics if you so wish.

have you actually read the bulding regs ....... never heard of part P?

 

[estwig]

have you actually read the bulding regs ....... never heard of part P?

We do as adults have choices in life, not everything is dictated by part 'p', the local council or central government.

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[saxondale]

We do as adults have choices in life, not everything is dictated by part 'p', the local council or central government.

what about part M, part l ................ etc, etc

 

[estwig]

what about part M, part l ................ etc, etc

We are talking about electrics, do you actually read anything??

 

[estwig]

Ok I'm goona repeat myself for the last time, because this is becoming very tiresome.....

In your own home, a house you own and live in, you can perfectly legally do any electrical work you so wish. You cannot do electrical work in someone elses home, or place of work, unless you are qualified to do so.

 

[Atilla]

Ok I'm goona repeat myself for the last time, because this is becoming very tiresome.....

In your own home, a house you own and live in, you can perfectly legally do any electrical work you so wish. You cannot do electrical work in someone elses home, or place of work, unless you are qualified to do so.

Absolute nonsense.

 

[Cornish Steve]

Can we please sort this out a little more amicably? I've deleted a couple of messages and edited others to remove the insults that are beginning to fly unnecessarily.

 

[estwig]

Fair enough Steve, I'm being trolled and I know better, will drop it.

 

[Atilla]

No you aren't. You jumped in with a dangerous comment and carried on trying to suggest general public can break the law with impunity.
If you can't read then don't blame others.

 

[estwig]

No you aren't. You jumped in with a dangerous comment and carried on trying to suggest general public can break the law with impunity.
If you can't read then don't blame others.

It's only dangerous if undertaken by idiots, I suggest you leave well alone.

 

[Dawg]

Absolute nonsense.

So there is actually a law that states you cannot do electrical work to your own property?
I'm aware that you might not be covered by insurance,and I'm aware that you will have to drop the price when you sell, but there is actually a specific law that states you can't do electrical work in your own home?
What defines this work? Can I change a fuse? Can I reset a trip? Can I reposition a light?
If it's illegal, who checks, and when? Do they have right of entry? If some bod from the council turns up do I have to let him in?
Where is all this legislation? Bloody government having a go again. Can you let me know?

 

[Atilla]

Oh dear, oh dear.

Childish and immature.
Just read the relevant documentation and stop spouting your dangerous nonsense.

 

[estwig]

So there is actually a law that states you cannot do electrical work to your own property?
I'm aware that you might not be covered by insurance,and I'm aware that you will have to drop the price when you sell, but there is actually a specific law that states you can't do electrical work in your own home?
What defines this work? Can I change a fuse? Can I reset a trip? Can I reposition a light?
If it's illegal, who checks, and when? Do they have right of entry? If some bod from the council turns up do I have to let him in?
Where is all this legislation? Bloody government having a go again. Can you let me know?

Better put than I could manage.

 

[Atilla]

So there is actually a law that states you cannot do electrical work to your own property?
I'm aware that you might not be covered by insurance,and I'm aware that you will have to drop the price when you sell, but there is actually a specific law that states you can't do electrical work in your own home?
What defines this work? Can I change a fuse? Can I reset a trip? Can I reposition a light?
If it's illegal, who checks, and when? Do they have right of entry? If some bod from the council turns up do I have to let him in?
Where is all this legislation? Bloody government having a go again. Can you let me know?

Plenty of information about.
Bulding Act, Building Regs, Part P. It is quite specific what can and can't be done.
Same applies to the other 'Parts' of the Regs.