Yodel /courier/parcels

[JEREMY HAWKE]

If you told me 30 ago years that the parcel industry would be moving the volumes of freight that it is moving now in 2024 I would have rubbed my hands together and I would have been thinking telephone numbers

Sadly the volumes are higher than anybody could have predicted but the returns for those investing and operating in the industry are negative and prove to be a very poor investment

Trying to control costs without increasing prices in this environment spells ruination

This industry should not be making headline news because the administrators are on standby

 

[Mark T Jones]

Coupled with the woes of a few online retailers, it does raise the question of whether we will see some reversion to B & M

 

[IanSuth]

Coupled with the woes of a few online retailers, it does raise the question of whether we will see some reversion to B & M

I think the Argos inside Sainsbury's model maybe the way forward which allied with nectar points is starting to look a little like the green shield stamps model.

What goes around comes around

 

[Newchodge]

Coupled with the woes of a few online retailers, it does raise the question of whether we will see some reversion to B & M

Or simply see charges for deliveries at real rates, which may, in turn, see reversion to B & M

 

[tony84]

I did some deliveries for a delivery firm with a mate (helping them out).
The people working there were, lets say happy to work for peanuts. Some of them were working maybe 14 hour days 6-7 days a week. I am assuming they were probably claiming benefits on top of working "self employed".

 

[MikeJ]

It's perfectly legal to claim benefits if you're working.

 

[Mark James]

I still find it mind blowing that I can order a toothbrush on Amazon at 8pm and some bloke in a van brings it to my house the next day for 60 odd pence or something. What the actual

 

[japancool]

There's not a lot of scope for price rises as long as Amazon are offering free, or next-to-nowt delivery. Every other online retailer has to compete with that, or else give up their independence and sell on Amazon, which wouldn't work for a lot of us. Blame them.

 

[tony84]

It's perfectly legal to claim benefits if you're working.

I think I may not have explained properly. I am not having a dig at people claiming benefits. I do not think certain benefits are high enough.

My point is that I am guessing if people are happy to do the job and put wear and tear on their own vehicles for less than minimum wage something does not stack up. My guess is that their income is not declared.

This makes it harder for businesses like Marks.

 

[WaveJumper]

I was looking at the latest stats on this yesterday when 53% of the population are on some form of benefit its got to be the biggest bloody elephant in the room.

Also having received some eye watering quotes this week for car insurance, between 40% to 50% for the same vehicles doing less that 4000 miles a year social, domestic and pleasure I am wondering what sort of premiums these van and car drivers turning up with parcels at my front door are paying, I can't for one minute believe they have the right cover, of course I could be wrong.

As mentioned above why travel into town to get a toothbrush, time, fuel ridiculous car parking charge when you can have it delivered almost in the same day for nothing.

DPD just dropped off, now waiting for the Amazon to deliver apparently Paddington bear ?

 

[Fagin2021]

I was looking at the latest stats on this yesterday when 53% of the population are on some form of benefit its got to be the biggest bloody elephant in the room.

Also having received some eye watering quotes this week for car insurance, between 40% to 50% for the same vehicles doing less that 4000 miles a year social, domestic and pleasure I am wondering what sort of premiums these van and car drivers turning up with parcels at my front door are paying, I can't for one minute believe they have the right cover, of course I could be wrong.

As mentioned above why travel into town to get a toothbrush, time, fuel ridiculous car parking charge when you can have it delivered almost in the same day for nothing.

DPD just dropped off, now waiting for the Amazon to deliver apparently Paddington bear ?

Does that 53% include people on State Pension ?

 

[Newchodge]

Does that 53% include people on State Pension ?

I think it must. I think state pension is a benefit.

 

[tony84]

I was looking at the latest stats on this yesterday when 53% of the population are on some form of benefit its got to be the biggest bloody elephant in the room.

Also having received some eye watering quotes this week for car insurance, between 40% to 50% for the same vehicles doing less that 4000 miles a year social, domestic and pleasure I am wondering what sort of premiums these van and car drivers turning up with parcels at my front door are paying, I can't for one minute believe they have the right cover, of course I could be wrong.

As mentioned above why travel into town to get a toothbrush, time, fuel ridiculous car parking charge when you can have it delivered almost in the same day for nothing.

DPD just dropped off, now waiting for the Amazon to deliver apparently Paddington bear ?

I can only speak about one of the delivery companies as I asked about that (his driving was shocking haha) and he was paying a few quid each month to the delivery company for insurance.

 

[japancool]

I was looking at the latest stats on this yesterday when 53% of the population are on some form of benefit its got to be the biggest bloody elephant in the room.

Oh? How so?

 

[Newchodge]

Oh? How so?

I would suggest it is because a huge number of large employers are paying wages that are insufficient for their employee to live on, so they get in-work benefits. At the same time those employers are paying large sums of money to executives and to shareholders. Those large sums of money are subsidised by the state. That is the elephant in the room. State benefits are being used to pay wealthy shareholders and highly paid executives.

 

[japancool]

I would suggest it is because a huge number of large employers are paying wages that are insufficient for their employee to live on, so they get in-work benefits. At the same time those employers are paying large sums of money to executives and to shareholders. Those large sums of money are subsidised by the state. That is the elephant in the room. State benefits are being used to pay wealthy shareholders and highly paid executives.

Presumably doesn't apply to state pensioners.

 

[WaveJumper]

I think it must. I think state pension is a benefit.

To answer both the questions above yes they are including pension as a benefit which I personally feel is misleading and fundamentally wrong.

 

[WaveJumper]

Figures are all here:

DWP benefits statistics: February 2023

www.gov.uk

 

[japancool]

Figures are all here:

DWP benefits statistics: February 2023

www.gov.uk

Well, don't worry, as soon as my leg grows back, I'll be out of that statistic.

 

[Newchodge]

To answer both the questions above yes they are including pension as a benefit which I personally feel is misleading and fundamentally wrong.

I receive a state pension. My entitlement to that money is based on my NI contribution record. If I had no contribution recordI would still receive money from the state. The amount I receive has ittle to do with the amount I paid in. Peple below state penson age are also entitled to money from the state. I can't honestly see a fundamental difference.

 

[IanSuth]

I receive a state pension. My entitlement to that money is based on my NI contribution record. If I had no contribution recordI would still receive money from the state. The amount I receive has ittle to do with the amount I paid in. Peple below state penson age are also entitled to money from the state. I can't honestly see a fundamental difference.

it is because by including pension as a "state benefit" you can claim 53% are on benefits either for the purpose of saying "look at all the layabouts we are funding for beer and fags" or for saying "this is subsidising large corporates paying too low salaries"

If they said x% of working age people are in receipt of state benefits (excluding pensions and universal benefits such as child benefit) then it would give a fairer idea of how large a proportion of working age people are relying on a top up due to low earnings from jobs.

 

[Newchodge]

it is because by including pension as a "state benefit" you can claim 53% are on benefits either for the purpose of saying "look at all the layabouts we are funding for beer and fags" or for saying "this is subsidising large corporates paying too low salaries"

If they said x% of working age people are in receipt of state benefits (excluding pensions and universal benefits such as child benefit) then it would give a fairer idea of how large a proportion of working age people are relying on a top up due to low earnings from jobs.

It would be easier to say x% of people receive in-work benefits, not including child allowance.

 

[Calvin Crane]

I did hear that drugs have been delivered using pizza delivery and I suspect that this is a very good cover. Not at all suggesting that most delivery drivers are subsidising like that. Just awaiting a big news story on the same lines.

I did look at the rates for Evri when it was cant remember and it was from 40p to 1£ per delivery. They have to drive like maniacs and there will be deaths.

I know that electric vehicles like scooters are supposed to be illegal on public ways but we have one always out delivering deliveroo. There are quite a few elephants. The forces simply can't cope so nature will just carry on.

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

I did hear that drugs have been delivered using pizza delivery and I suspect that this is a very good cover. Not at all suggesting that most delivery drivers are subsidising like that. Just awaiting a big news story on the same lines.

I did look at the rates for Evri when it was cant remember and it was from 40p to 1£ per delivery. They have to drive like maniacs and there will be deaths.

I know that electric vehicles like scooters are supposed to be illegal on public ways but we have one always out delivering deliveroo. There are quite a few elephants. The forces simply can't cope so nature will just carry on.

Its important not to get food delivery people confused with parcel delivery companies and I dont know why you people do it!
All parcel sub contractors are properly insured and mostly using modern vehicles again dont get them confused with lifestyle type delivery people doing odd parcel jobs

Delivery companies running drugs is the biggest load of bollocks I have heard today but to be fair I was not actively seeking any Monday afternoon entertainment

 

[japancool]

Good luck if your pizza is coming via Evri.

 

[DontAsk]

All parcel sub contractors are properly insured and mostly using modern vehicles again dont get them confused with lifestyle type delivery people doing odd parcel jobs

Really?

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

Really?

You have to explain your doubts You cant just print a question mark?
Despite their faults . Yodel , DPD , APC , FED EX ect wont have large vans that are not insured for Hire and reward insurance with public liability insurance

 

[DontAsk]

I think there's a layer betwen those and the odd jobbers. Notorious for not having business insurance, etc.

 

[IanSuth]

I did hear that drugs have been delivered using pizza delivery and I suspect that this is a very good cover. Not at all suggesting that most delivery drivers are subsidising like that. Just awaiting a big news story on the same lines.

I did look at the rates for Evri when it was cant remember and it was from 40p to 1£ per delivery. They have to drive like maniacs and there will be deaths.

I know that electric vehicles like scooters are supposed to be illegal on public ways but we have one always out delivering deliveroo. There are quite a few elephants. The forces simply can't cope so nature will just carry on.

when i was at uni in the early 90's there was a dealer who delivered with pizza to student parties (only dope nothing harder)

 

[IanSuth]

Apparently Saved

Yodel saved from collapse by fast-growing rival

Yodel has been saved from falling into administration in a last-minute rescue deal by a consortium.

www.bbc.co.uk

The business has been taken on by YDLGP, a newly-formed company backed by investment bank Solano Partners and the team behind logistics firm Shift.

As part of the deal, YDLGP is also set to buy Shift, which relaunched Tuffnells last June, a firm that specialises in freight with irregular dimensions or weight.

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

Apparently Saved

Yodel saved from collapse by fast-growing rival

Yodel has been saved from falling into administration in a last-minute rescue deal by a consortium.

www.bbc.co.uk

The business has been taken on by YDLGP, a newly-formed company backed by investment bank Solano Partners and the team behind logistics firm Shift.

As part of the deal, YDLGP is also set to buy Shift, which relaunched Tuffnells last June, a firm that specialises in freight with irregular dimensions or weight.

I had doubts about Shift in the beginning but Yodel joined with a bombed damaged Tufnell's and Shifts existing book will present opportunities for those involved but they will need to raise their prices