would you say £100 is good for a website ?

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    hay people, i have just finished all my courses for advance web design, now i am setting a price plan, do you think that for a 5 page business website £100 is good + free hosting + free domain and Logo a graphic design is a good deal?

    any help would be great.

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    thanks for getting back, well as i have just started my business i do want to go off the head, i mean all my sites are wicked but i just want to build up some sort of portfolio, as for my hosting its with one.com so its not free or cheap,

    cheers mate
     
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    nooo thats awful dont do it, now I am going to have drop my price by £30 :mad:
    nah sounds like a good offer,, BUT make sure you have it set out in righting exactly what you will be doing for the customer and how much after you support you offer, you would not believe the emails I get from some customers.
    good luck with it all,

    let me know if you need a company site set up :p
     
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    To be honest I would say its too cheap and I would be wary as a customer. How are you going to make a living off £100 per website?
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    if you do it as a hobby have a deacent portfolio, and explain to your customer what your limits, lot of local bussiness are happy just to get a page on the web :D
     
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    What i find is people people who charge 600-800 really are not offering anything different than the people who make them for £100.

    If i made websites / or dipped my hand into the market (which i intend to do)

    I would rather be busy all the time with volume of work than sit back and charge over the top for one job every 3 months which is the feeling i get off some of the people on here they value their services more than what they are really worth.

    A static site simple seo 5 page tarted up could be done in 5 hours and for a hundred quid is a good deal.

    People who charge 400 - 800 are in a bubble i think and value themselves far too highly. A bedroom bandit could knock up a nice site for 100 although i would charge 100 + domain and host personally.
     
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    I would say £100 is way too cheap and I would be very careful as a customer before buying it. It sounds more like mates rates, in fact that is still cheap.

    When I was starting out, I got a website... at the time I went for value rather than quality and I got what I have today. I paid £450.
     
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    I'd want to see some of your site's before buying, If they are good looking site's then £100 would be a good price ud never be out of work iv had 3 site's made for me i pay'ed £300-£800 the one that cost me the most was a site with e-commerce built on to it as well & well it was the worst site i had made!


    I had a site made for me buy a student for £120 & its the best one iv had so go's to show the bigger the price tag dosent allway's mean the best!!!

    G/L to you
     
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    A static site simple seo 5 page tarted up could be done in 5 hours and for a hundred quid is a good deal.
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    Massey, as an electrician can I ask you to do some work for me for under £20 per hour?

    No wait a minute, I know a guy who has just started to do installation work. He's not qualified but he's alright and he'll work for £7.50 an hour. The job may be a bit rough round the edges but it will work. It may not be done quite in line with the 17th edition but what the hell?

    Let's be fair here here, you seem to have it in for web designers who run proper businesses and who pay tax on their earnings. What makes us any different from electricians? Do you value your services higher than mine?

    (I am a time served electrician myself incidentally. I completed my apprenticeship in 1969.)
     
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    MASSEY said:
    A static site simple seo 5 page tarted up could be done in 5 hours and for a hundred quid is a good deal.
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    I quite agree, I could get a free/cheap template and throw a site together in a couple of hours.

    However, to research the business, customers, products and services, set up the site structures, configure the navigation, get the content together, optimise the images, sort out calls to action, forms,and all the finnickity other little details as well as spending considerable time on the phone/emails discussing the project withe the client takes a lot longer than 5 hours.
     
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    fisicx said:
    I quite agree, I could get a free/cheap template and throw a site together in a couple of hours.

    However, to research the business, customers, products and services, set up the site structures, configure the navigation, get the content together, optimise the images, sort out calls to action, forms,and all the finnickity other little details as well as spending considerable time on the phone/emails discussing the project withe the client takes a lot longer than 5 hours.
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    I think this is the ultimate point to consider... for all this, does it still only cost £100?

    For the people that do everything proparly, do the research, the design, organise the marketing slogans, input the text in the correct formats to sell the product, put the right pictures on, don't copy other people's ideas but think up their own, don't use templates but have their own or will do something different, will have regular meetings witgh their clients to run over different ideas, etc. etc. All this costs a lot more than £100. I believe you get what you pay for, and I don't see how a designer can make any profit on this. No offence to the guy that started this thread, I hope his business works out, but don't undersell yourself. If you're this good at doing a website you can charge a lot more. I have had quotes from £400 upto £4k and all have their own individual merits and all have potential. I would consider all of them but what I want may not be what I offer.

    For example, what I would want from a website (and if someone can suggest costs to this I'm happy to discuss further)...

    1. My own unique colour scheme, and format to fit my exisitng branding
    2. Each page only covering one screen (no scrolling down) but links to click
    3. a home page with a catchy title & initial text
    4. a page with my main business area, including links to further info for particular sectors
    5. a page for FAQ's, legal info etc.
    6. a page for contact info, links etc. & a contact form
    7. a gallery
    8. a client log in area for databases which I can update reguarly, and from where I can send newsletters

    I would expect the web company to input metatags, keywords etc. Research and get me high on google, etc. etc. inlcuding all that is in the attached 'quote'.

    I don't want content management, but I do want to be able to make amendments

    I would also expect the designer to tell me if what I am suggesting is wrong, and advise me as to what is best.
     
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    Richard, you have hit the nail on the head.

    Same old saying - You get what you pay for.

    Custom templates take a fair bit of time, then there are tweaks and changes until the client is happy.

    If you have a 20 pages site, all needing SEOing properly - this is a few days work. It´s the tweaking to perfection which is important. It´s titles, URL forming, descriptions, keywords, keyword density checking... so much goes into this.

    Also to have regular meetings with the client to advise them how to best promote the site too. This is time consuming too, so you need to account for this. It can also get expensive on coffees hehe ;)

    As for not wanted a content management system but enable clients to add/update this site, this is impossible. If you even develop a custom application for this it is still a CMS :) It´s also essential if an open source CMS is used that the designer keeps this updated - this is why 100 quid is a bit low for such work.

    Also to help the client with some link building too, submit to online directories, forums, link between sites you deal with (relevent sites), facebook, twitter and suchlike for traffic - let them know how to make it a success.

    I always tell clients to use the Website Grader tool and the Submit Express Analyzer to ensure their site is made correctly - give it a go - you can then tell your designers if they have or havent done a good job and ask for an improvement ;)
     
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    No offence to the guy that started this thread, I hope his business works out, but don't undersell yourself.
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    First of all let me say that I don't profess to know the OP's circumstances. It may be that he has is quite legal and he has figured out a way to live on £50 per week but it makes me very angry when I hear people in here talking about £50 and £100 websites. I have been in this business since 2001 and I KNOW that this is not a fair price if someone is doing a proper job. It is impossible to run a web design business on fees like that. It CANNOT be done.

    Now some people will ask why people continually make these claims if it can't be done. The answer is quite simple. Many of the people who are offering these "deals" are (a) students (b) unemployed and claiming benefits or (c) working in full time jobs and doing this on the side for beer money. None of these people are accountable when the problems start. They just disappear and few if any of them pay tax. In other words many of them are probably acting illegally.

    That is how they can offer services like this for next to nothing. Now that said, this is supposed to be a UK business forum. I would assume that the vast majority of us are acting legally and paying tax. If this is the case then we should not be encouraging people to undercut fellow members with prices that we all know are not viable.
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    A friend of mine only young but very good at website design and graphics etc for his basic website he charges around £400, which I think is fair - good websites take time and skill and this should not be over looked.
     
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    bdw said:
    First of all let me say that I don't profess to know the OP's circumstances. It may be that he has is quite legal and he has figured out a way to live on £50 per week but it makes me very angry when I hear people in here talking about £50 and £100 websites. I have been in this business since 2001 and I KNOW that this is not a fair price if someone is doing a proper job. It is impossible to run a web design business on fees like that. It CANNOT be done.

    Now some people will ask why people continually make these claims if it can't be done. The answer is quite simple. Many of the people who are offering these "deals" are (a) students (b) unemployed and claiming benefits or (c) working in full time jobs and doing this on the side for beer money. None of these people are accountable when the problems start. They just disappear and few if any of them pay tax. In other words many of them are probably acting illegally.

    That is how they can offer services like this for next to nothing. Now that said, this is supposed to be a UK business forum. I would assume that the vast majority of us are acting legally and paying tax. If this is the case then we should not be encouraging people to undercut fellow members with prices that we all know are not viable.
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    You forgot to add, they often have all the latest Adobe software so it's likely they obtained this illegally as they don't come across as having the money to invest in commercial licenses and still produce £100 websites and £20 logos.
     
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    It´s easy to knock up a site in a day, what takes time is the SEO tweaking, changes for the client, showing them google analytics, helping them setup a facebook group, google adwords account and suchlike.

    For every client that has requested only a 5 page basic site, the site has always ended up 10 or more.

    If you think after tax you´re looking at around 70 quid for a 100 quid site... thats just far too little. But for first timers, its fair I think.[FONT=&quot]

    I think it´s important to advise the clients on SEO though, without SEO and without people finding the company in google for keywords for their services, a site is pointless. It´s rare for a site to be successful, by organic results, if it´s outside the first 6 results.

    I don´t know how people can say "SEO can be done in 5hrs"....

    SEO and link building takes weeks and months to be done properly. It´s a continuous process.


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    I don't believe you can break even with a business selling £100 sites unless you can do about three a day, every day (in the UK at least).

    Some very rough monthly sums, just to break even...

    Broadband - 50
    Telephone - 50
    Hosting, Domains etc - 50
    Rent - 800
    Rates - 200
    Salaries - 4000
    Insurances - 100
    Energy - 50
    Asset replacement provision (Hardware, Software etc.) - 400
    Misc - 200

    Total about - 6000

    21 days in a month, 8 hours a day = 168 hours

    6000/168 = £36/hour

    And that's just a job - if you want to run a business and make profits then double it.
     
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    AlanUK said:
    Richard, you have hit the nail on the head.

    Same old saying - You get what you pay for.

    Custom templates take a fair bit of time, then there are tweaks and changes until the client is happy.

    If you have a 20 pages site, all needing SEOing properly - this is a few days work. It´s the tweaking to perfection which is important. It´s titles, URL forming, descriptions, keywords, keyword density checking... so much goes into this.

    Also to have regular meetings with the client to advise them how to best promote the site too. This is time consuming too, so you need to account for this. It can also get expensive on coffees hehe ;)

    As for not wanted a content management system but enable clients to add/update this site, this is impossible. If you even develop a custom application for this it is still a CMS :) It´s also essential if an open source CMS is used that the designer keeps this updated - this is why 100 quid is a bit low for such work.

    Also to help the client with some link building too, submit to online directories, forums, link between sites you deal with (relevent sites), facebook, twitter and suchlike for traffic - let them know how to make it a success.

    I always tell clients to use the Website Grader tool and the Submit Express Analyzer to ensure their site is made correctly - give it a go - you can then tell your designers if they have or havent done a good job and ask for an improvement ;)
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    That's what we need from a designer - someone who tells you when something is not possible, but suggests a fix to your problem.
     
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    bdw said:
    Massey, as an electrician can I ask you to do some work for me for under £20 per hour?

    No wait a minute, I know a guy who has just started to do installation work. He's not qualified but he's alright and he'll work for £7.50 an hour. The job may be a bit rough round the edges but it will work. It may not be done quite in line with the 17th edition but what the hell?

    Let's be fair here here, you seem to have it in for web designers who run proper businesses and who pay tax on their earnings. What makes us any different from electricians? Do you value your services higher than mine?

    (I am a time served electrician myself incidentally. I completed my apprenticeship in 1969.)
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    lol, I dont value my service higher.

    The way fisicx broke it down actually has changed my view to fully make a site and add the content about the business and the services is actually worth more than £100.
     
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    I recently setup a web company and I recommend at least £200-300 minimum. I under quoted when I first started and many potiential customers were lost because they thought I was TOO cheap. It looks unprofessional. Basically if you asked for an extension to your house and all the quotes where around £10000 and some young bloke came along saying he can do it for £4000 you would be suspicious and 90% of people wouldn't go with it.

    Also some other advice.. do not under quote the big jobs! I've learnt my lesson the hard way. I quoted a 3 month job for a big business nearly half of what they should have paid because I was afraid they would go somewhere else and being new having such a big job in my portfolio was going to be great. Now 4 months down the line the job has taken over everything, I've turned down thousands of pounds of work and so in the long run have lost a fortune and they had some superb software that another company would have probably charged well over 3 times as much for.
    I'm even clutching at straws trying to get some money back by charging for small tasks I probably shouldn't charge for like changing a colour scheme on one page or something. They agree when I say but I'm sure they whine about it when I leave the room.
     
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