When will it be on page 1?

[Dagz]

I made my first website last week, and it's currently on page 7 of google for 'window tinting bristol'. Which is of course useless. I should definitely be on page 1 because I only have about 4 competitors. I've been learning a bit about SEO and put in good meta info and that. Not got any decent links to it yet though.

So does it just take time for it to rise up the ranking? How long roughly? Or will it stay on it's current ranking until I get more link juice or something?

I'm not gonna be getting any work until it's on page 1

Cheers!

 

[fisicx]

When you have actually done some SEO work you might stand a chance for an exact match but I suspect the number of searches per mointh is minimal.

Pages titles, headers, internal linking, content alt tags and all the other basic SEO need sorting.

If you get it right then you can be on page 1 in a few days if you have just one decent inbound link.

However, the site isn't going to convert because there are no calls to action, no prices or examples of your work.

 

[Dagz]

When you have actually done some SEO work you might stand a chance for an exact match but I suspect the number of searches per mointh is minimal.

Pages titles, headers, internal linking, content alt tags and all the other basic SEO need sorting.

If you get it right then you can be on page 1 in a few days if you have just one decent inbound link.

However, the site isn't going to convert because there are no calls to action, no prices or examples of your work.

Thanks, gonna make a call to action today, and put up some prices.

I thought I did the basic SEO! So say I left it exactly how it was, it would stay on page 7? Behind pages of irrelevant results?

 

[Experienced IT guy]

Or will it stay on it's current ranking until I get more link juice or something?

I'm not gonna be getting any work until it's on page 1

Cheers!

Typically people will search to page 3. Past that very few people search. We have had pages that rose to page 1 from being pubished in about 6 weeks. In this case people spent 5 minutes on average reading the page. Its currently item 2 page 1 for the particular search term -though not all related search terms.

you might want to look here: SEO: A Comprehensive Guide for Beginners
http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=172423

and check you have ticked all the boxes.

Hope this helps

 

[OldWelshGuy]

I made my first website last week, and it's currently on page 7 of google for 'window tinting bristol'. Which is of course useless. I should definitely be on page 1 because I only have about 4 competitors. I've been learning a bit about SEO and put in good meta info and that. Not got any decent links to it yet though.

So does it just take time for it to rise up the ranking? How long roughly? Or will it stay on it's current ranking until I get more link juice or something?

I'm not gonna be getting any work until it's on page 1

Cheers!

Ah those famous words

fact is YOU think you should definitely be on page 1 but that doesn't matter, it is what Google think that matters.

My guess is poor on page and even worse off page, coupled with authority weight on/from/to some of the sites above you.

 

[fisicx]

I thought I did the basic SEO! So say I left it exactly how it was, it would stay on page 7? Behind pages of irrelevant results?

Irrelevant to you but not to Google. Do the same search with and without qoutes and you will see a whole different set of results.

Your primary keyword is Redwood not window tinting.

 

[Dagz]

OK so obviously I have to learn a lot about SEO and implement it.

But I don't think you answered my question, 'if i leave it exactly as it is, would it stay on page 7?' I'm just wondering. I imagine the answer has got to be 'no' right?

 

[fisicx]

But I don't think you answered my question, 'if i leave it exactly as it is, would it stay on page 7?' I'm just wondering. I imagine the answer has got to be 'no' right?

It might move, it might not. If it does move up it probably won't be be far, certainly not to page 1.

I'd spend some time on the site itself rather than worrying about your ranking. The list of things you need to consider is as long as your arm starting with the whole WP blog configuration. If you want a review though you need so sign up as a full member.

 

[commodityconsultant]

check your keyword competition. if it is low then it can take 2-3 weeks otherwise can take 6 months too.

 

[Dagz]

It might move, it might not. If it does move up it probably won't be be far, certainly not to page 1.

I'd spend some time on the site itself rather than worrying about your ranking. The list of things you need to consider is as long as your arm starting with the whole WP blog configuration. If you want a review though you need so sign up as a full member.

Yeah I don't want to talk about my site in particular because I had a post removed yesterday because I wasn't aware of the paid members only rule.

I have related question - When you click 'view page source', you can see site's meta tags. But sometimes you can't. One of them I think was something to do with a redirect, and I found the meta tags through the other URL. But with screentechbristol.co.uk for example, where are the meta tags?

 

[Faevilangel]

Yeah I don't want to talk about my site in particular because I had a post removed yesterday because I wasn't aware of the paid members only rule.

I have related question - When you click 'view page source', you can see site's meta tags. But sometimes you can't. One of them I think was something to do with a redirect, and I found the meta tags through the other URL. But with screentechbristol.co.uk for example, where are the meta tags?

They don't have any, and the site is pretty poor due to being a flash based website. If you had your site professionally done, you should easily bump over them, you would need a link building campaign done as well.

On the basis of your site, it needs some work to look and work well IMO, you don't have a landline. You need to do some work to the theme also as it has "wordpress comments are closed" on the homepage and other pages.

With a bit of time and patience, and some reading you should be on page 1 for your keywords.

 

[Dagz]

you don't have a landline.

Funny you should mention that! I'm doing the Prince's Trust and I asked my mentor about a mobile number only not looking professional, and he insisted that wasn't the case.

There's no actual advantage to a landline, it'd just divert to the mobile. So in a way it seems crazy paying for that. But, you're right, a company doesn't look established without one.

I guess a landline wouldn't cost much at all. If I want a memorable number like my mobile however, that'd cost a few quid I think...

 

[fisicx]

...and I found the meta tags through the other URL. But with screentechbristol.co.uk for example, where are the meta tags?

Metatags aren't mandatory. The effect they have (if at all) is minimal when compared to things like the page title and page content.

A mobile number and no address suggests you are some bloke in a van. If this is the case then you need to make this a selling point - you come to my house to slap on the fablon.

 

[Faevilangel]

Funny you should mention that! I'm doing the Prince's Trust and I asked my mentor about a mobile number only not looking professional, and he insisted that wasn't the case.

There's no actual advantage to a landline, it'd just divert to the mobile. So in a way it seems crazy paying for that. But, you're right, a company doesn't look established without one.

I guess a landline wouldn't cost much at all. If I want a memorable number like my mobile however, that'd cost a few quid I think...

£1.99 per month for landline + cost of redirect from www.voipfone.co.uk (who I am with).

My sales have increased due to the landline, and it's minimal cost and gives you a local feel e.g. bristol number.

 

[nitro23456]

There is certainly room for improvement. You havent utilised your tags fully.... you have some spare characters you can use in your title for a start.

I bloódy hate wordpress as well.

 

[Faevilangel]

I bloódy hate wordpress as well.

I don't like you anymore

Wordpress rules when you use it properly. Yes it does need some hacking and plugins to get it work 100% (seo benefits etc) but once you do, it runs perfectly.

 

[Dagz]

you have some spare characters you can use in your title for a start.

Don't extra words in your title dilute the original, more important words?

 

[OldWelshGuy]

No that is bunkum. Your title should reflect what you do and are talking about on each page. So your homepage should eb what you do and where you do it. If your site is structured properly, then you will cover most of your keywords with content, and, as a result your keywords will appear in the titles of those pages.

 

[fisicx]

Don't extra words in your title dilute the original, more important words?

No. The first few words are the most important, all the rest do is provide more data. Look at the search results - you will see words to the right hand end of the title highlighted which means they have been given some weight by the SE.

 

[mit74]

how old is the website? Age makes alot of difference on google.

 

[Dagz]

About 5 days. I'm gonna spend another day on it then forget it for a while and hit the real world!

 

[OldWelshGuy]

While age makes a difference, not for a simple phrase like that it won't. For competitive phrases domain and more importantly link age is a killer.

 

[mit74]

This may help

http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Google-Optimization-Help/Google-Sandbox-Frequently-Asked-Questions/

 

[Dagz]

This may help

http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Google-Optimization-Help/Google-Sandbox-Frequently-Asked-Questions/

Thanks, that does help.




Another question, I used to do ebay a few years back and have the domains japland.com and japland.co.uk. They just redirect to my ebay page that I don't use. Would redirecting those domains help my ranking at all? And my ebay page, probably worth putting a link on there right? Not used it for years, but I used to get 1000's (10,000's?) of views on each of my auctions back in the day. I hope link juice matures like whisky

 

[mit74]

Thanks, that does help.




Another question, I used to do ebay a few years back and have the domains japland.com and japland.co.uk. They just redirect to my ebay page that I don't use. Would redirecting those domains help my ranking at all? And my ebay page, probably worth putting a link on there right? Not used it for years, but I used to get 1000's (10,000's?) of views on each of my auctions back in the day. I hope link juice matures like whisky

No the redirect would not but links from pages will if they're related to your product.

 

[Dagz]

Ah, they have to be related do they? Or just do better if they are related rather than not? It's car audio, so I'd say that's kinda related, but I dunno if google would...

 

[mit74]

Ah, they have to be related do they? Or just do better if they are related rather than not? It's car audio, so I'd say that's kinda related, but I dunno if google would...

Yeah any link is better than nothing I suppose.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

it will not hurt you, any link with juice will help, it's just that on topic help more.

 

[WebsiteDesigner]

Buy the domain name windowtintingbristol.co.uk instead.

 

[markwalton]

Ok The answer based on you landing page is never.

Google does not know that your business is about window tinting their bots are probably getting confused with the words redwood, car september,road, cars, uplands.

You need to focus the content around your keywords you want people to find you on and cut out the wordage which isn't relevant. (also need to make sure people are actually searching.

Q. What will people type into the search bar when looking for what you provide

Q. What is the problem the customer is seeking to solve?

Below is a snapshot of keyword density you need to get between 4 -7% on the keywords you want people to find you on the rest need to be a lot less.


Keyword Count Density
redwood 5 4.31%
window 5 4.31%
tinting 5 4.31%
bristol 5 4.31%
uplands 5 4.31%
car 5 4.31%
cars 4 3.45%
september 3 2.59%
road 3 2.59%
twitter 2 1.72%
work 2 1.72%
radios 2 1.72%
cheltenham2 1.72%
film 2 1.72%
redwood;s 2 1.72%

If you do a couple articles - 10 Frequently asked questions; 10 Should ask questions plus a couple of videos - not epic productions just slide show with voice over around your product then I could blast these around the web which will help to move you upi the rankings for the keywords you want.

First step is to register your business on google places its free and puts you on page 1.

Good luck

PM me if you want to discuss.

Mark

 

[comparereviews]

i think you need to be more patient because it takes time to be listed on 1st page through white hate techniques. i will suggest you to get as much quality backlinks as possible. that will help you to come on the first page. use your keywords in your anchor text and just be patient.

hope this helps.

 

[fisicx]

Below is a snapshot of keyword density you need to get between 4 -7% on the keywords you want people to find you on the rest need to be a lot less.

That's not true at all. Google can rank a page based on a single occurance of a keyword. Forget all about keyword density and concentrate on the quality of the content.

Build sites for people not the search engines.

 

[Dagz]

Build sites for people not the search engines.

This is just what I was thinking. Some sites I've been looking at over the last few days have clearly taken seo too far, and when keywords have been crowbarred in I think you can make your site look like some sort of spam site.

Not that I'm saying you were suggesting I take it too far Mark! I guess you've got to get them in there, but not at the expense of it sounding natural.

 

[Dagz]

Buy the domain name windowtintingbristol.co.uk instead.

Done. What should I do with it now? Can I just 301 to my existing domain?

 

[nitro23456]

other way round.

 

[dagaul101]

Getting to page 1 takes time, you need backlinks, and quality backlinks, for Google especially the length of time the site you are getting the backlink from, and how it rates in its niche is a major factor

 

[Vivek Gupta]

start making backlinks, profiles at social networking sites, put a blog

 

[TailorMade]

My two pence worth..

Mobile number is not a problem for the type of business you are in.

I haven't even looked at your site to be honest but have you done/got the following as others may have mentioned:

1 - Examples of work with photos

2 - Clear contact info and a contact form

3 - Full pricelist or at least sample prices?

4 - I saw mentions of flash - ditch it! You aren't a DJ or nightclub and flash is a waste of time for what you are trying to achieve

5 - Do your page titles, on page content and keywords tally up - repetition is key - but relevant repetition, in the right places and at the right frequency

6 - Do you have an xml sitemap in place? Get one -

7 - Did you sign up for google webmaster tools - if not do it - its got plenty of useful tips, hints and advice on how to make sure your site is indexed and how to improve the ranking.

8 - Get some backlinks - from here will be good, but facebook, linkedin, twitter, gumtree, craigslist as a starting point (not all of these count in Googles eyes - but each is worth doing in its own right).

9 - Get a blog or something that you can update regualraly together - events list, blog whatever - just make sure you have content on the site which changes regualrly - create the b log on blooger, using a subdomain of your domain name.

10 - Get yourself listed on Google Local - it will give you google juice in other areas

11 - Do a little bit of online press release submission - nothing major - one press release saying what you do, with correct keyword anchors and then submit it to 3 or 4 press release sites.

I could keep going, but time is money and constructive, quality advice costs both!

Good luck with your venture.

 

[Dagz]

Cheers, done most of that stuff. Need to get some backlinks though.

All this talk of google, and I never checked any other search engines. I just typed my keywords into yahoo, and came up on not just page 1, but number 1!! Seems a bit too good to be true though, is yahoo ranking affected by the sites I've been looking at or something?

 

[MASSEY]

Cheers, done most of that stuff. Need to get some backlinks though.

All this talk of google, and I never checked any other search engines. I just typed my keywords into yahoo, and came up on not just page 1, but number 1!! Seems a bit too good to be true though, is yahoo ranking affected by the sites I've been looking at or something?

Yahoo is pretty easy to optimise for. You can really really rank well on content alone.

Yahoo is pretty rubbish traffic wise, but you may get some.

If you thik you may be having search's personalised then delete your cookies.