What would you pay? Wage

[Abbyboo92]

How much would you pay a takeaway delivery driver to work? I’ll reveal what I pay later on. It’s different to what I’ve posted before if you can be bothered to stalk me.
But both my drivers have been moaning nearly every order. Some nights they are doing 7-8 orders each. Some nights 2. Radius 6 miles, but try to do 2/3 orders at once. There’s a lot of time they are sitting waiting for an order. I’m thinking of sacking them both off if this continues but want to know if I am being unreasonable and paying too low.

 

[Abbyboo92]

They are moaning they are doing too many miles and they have to spend loads on petrol, wear and tear of the car. But why sign up to the job then complain. Petrol is their responsibility so why do they keep moaning to me every hour. And wear and tear of the car you’re a delivery driver!! Both drivers have years experience in the job so not new to them. Sorry just needed a moan!

 

[intheTRADE]

I would pay them National Minimum Wage and they keep whatever tips they receive

 

[Mark T Jones]

What is their employment status?

 

[Abbyboo92]

They are an employee of the company so they get holiday sickness pay annual leave etc.

 

[Mark T Jones]

Have you researched minimum wage requirements with respect to them covering their own costs on vehicles? I suspect @Newchodge will now how this works.

The other critical factor of course revolves around the employment market in your area - It doesn't matter what others get away with if they are in a fundamentally different area.

 

[Abbyboo92]

Have you researched minimum wage requirements with respect to them covering their own costs on vehicles? I suspect @Newchodge will now how this works.

The other critical factor of course revolves around the employment market in your area - It doesn't matter what others get away with if they are in a fundamentally different area.

One of the other takeaways in my area where my driver worked before he came to me pays less than what I do. Not sure about the minimum wage thing

 

[DontAsk]

I'm surprised they don't also moan about paying for the business use insurance. They do have it, don't they?

 

[DontAsk]

Not sure about the minimum wage thing

You should be!

 

[Abbyboo92]

I'm surprised they don't also moan about paying for the business use insurance. They do have it, don't they?

That’s their responsibility, as written in contract. Whether they have it or not is nothing to do with me. Haven’t discussed it with them but I’m assuming they don’t otherwise they’d be moaning

 

[Newchodge]

If they are employees and you require that they use their own vehicles for work you should be paying a reasonable mileage allowance. 45p/mile is accepted by HMRC as reasonable.

 

[Newchodge]

That’s their responsibility, as written in contract. Whether they have it or not is nothing to do with me. Haven’t discussed it with them but I’m assuming they don’t otherwise they’d be moaning

No it is your responsibility as their employer to ensure they are driving vehicles properly insured.

 

[Abbyboo92]

If they are employees and you require that they use their own vehicles for work you should be paying a reasonable mileage allowance. 45p/mile is accepted by HMRC as reasonable.

j haven’t said what I am paying, but legally paying milesage isn’t a requirement.

 

[Abbyboo92]

No it is your responsibility as their employer to ensure they are driving vehicles properly insured.

Legally binding contract says otherwise, I’m afraid. Although I have taken copies of their driving licences.

 

[DontAsk]

That’s their responsibility, as written in contract. Whether they have it or not is nothing to do with me. Haven’t discussed it with them but I’m assuming they don’t otherwise they’d be moaning

Regardless of the legalities, ss their employer, it will reflect on you, and your business, badly when one of them has an accident and is not insured. I hope no one is injured.

 

[Newchodge]

Then. if you know it all, why ask?

 

[Abbyboo92]

Then. if you know it all, why ask?

I want to know the average wage for a takeaway delivery driver in the uk to see if what I am paying is reasonable or not. Because honestly I feel like I am overpaying at the moment. But they are saying they’re being underpaid.

 

[Newchodge]

An employed delivery driver will probably be paid minimum wage for every minute they spend at work from the moment they start until the moment they stop, including sitting around waiting for orders. In addition they would bne paid 45p per mile for the use of their own vehicle which must be insured for business use.

 

[DontAsk]

Legally binding contract says otherwise, I’m afraid. Although I have taken copies of their driving licences.

I may be wrong but I don't think you can "contract out" legal requirements like insurance.

 

[Abbyboo92]

I may be wrong but I don't think you can "contract out" legal requirements like insurance.

It’s not my legal responsibility though to ensure my drivers have business insurance. I can guarantee less than 10% of takeaway drivers do. I’ve done research on it. This is going off topic now.

 

[STDFR33]

It’s not my legal responsibility though to ensure my drivers have business insurance.

If that's what you think you ought to familiarise yourself with The Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974.
It states that employers must ensure the health and safety of all employees while at work. Employers must also ensure that others are not put at risk by your work-related driving activities.

 

[Abbyboo92]

If that's what you think you ought to familiarise yourself with The Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974.
It states that employers must ensure the health and safety of all employees while at work. Employers must also ensure that others are not put at risk by your work-related driving activities.

They’re not at risk, but thanks for the concern.

 

[ecommerce84]

If it helps:

Dominos pay:
Minimum wage
£1 per delivery regardless of distance
25p extra per delivery if they put the dominos sign on top of their car
They also issue their drivers with third party insurance for when they are using their cars to deliver.

 

[Abbyboo92]

If it helps:

Dominos pay:
Minimum wage
£1 per delivery regardless of distance
25p extra per delivery if they put the dominos sign on top of their car
They also issue their drivers with third party insurance for when they are using their cars to deliver.

This is helpful. One of my drivers used to work for dominos but “ couldn’t remember” what they paid

I pay £10 and hour plus £1 per delivery wherever it is. This could be walking distance (neighbours) or in the next town.

 

[STDFR33]

They’re not at risk, but thanks for the concern.

How do you know they are not at risk if you can't be 4rsed to check that your drivers have adequate insurance?

 

[DontAsk]

Employers must also ensure that others are not put at risk by your work-related driving activities.

They’re not at risk, but thanks for the concern.

Who isn't at risk? Did you see the word *others*? Who do you think that means?

 

[Abbyboo92]

Who isn't at risk? Did you see the word *others*? Who do you think that means?

The general public? Why would they be at risk? Do you know what insurance is?

 

[intheTRADE]

The general public? Why would they be at risk? Do you know what insurance is?

Because your drivers are driving on public roads when the general public are both in other vehicles and on pavements!

 

[Abbyboo92]

Because your drivers are driving on public roads when the general public are both in other vehicles and on pavements!

Can you explain as to the difference between my drivers having personal and business insurance (which yes is a legal requirement) would put the general business at risk. I’m not condoning them not having business insurance (that’s if they don’t, I can’t confirm) but it wouldn’t necessarily mean they would run somebody over

 

[DontAsk]

The general public? Why would they be at risk? Do you know what insurance is?

I give up.

 

[ecommerce84]

This is helpful. One of my drivers used to work for dominos but “ couldn’t remember” what they paid

I pay £10 and hour plus £1 per delivery wherever it is. This could be walking distance (neighbours) or in the next town.

My pleasure - I forgot to mention they also get a free pizza too with every shift.

You’re offering fairly decent pay though for the work in my opinion.

 

[Abbyboo92]

My pleasure - I forgot to mention they also get a free pizza too with every shift.

You’re offering fairly decent pay though for the work in my opinion.

I give both my drivers loadsssss of free food and drink! They take leftovers home and are welcome to make a waffle and have a can of drink / tea / coffee

 

[Scalloway]

You may be at legal risk simply for not checking that your employees have adequate car insurance to cover business use.

https://www.keithmichaels.co.uk/news/business-car-insurance-stay-legal-educate-your-employees/

 

[Opinion87]

Can you explain as to the difference between my drivers having personal and business insurance (which yes is a legal requirement) would put the general business at risk. I’m not condoning them not having business insurance (that’s if they don’t, I can’t confirm) but it wouldn’t necessarily mean they would run somebody over

You can confirm- you can ask them for proof. I'm assuming you've checked they have legal Right to Work in the UK too, or are you using your contract to ignore that, too?

 

[Abbyboo92]

You can confirm- you can ask them for proof. I'm assuming you've checked they have legal Right to Work in the UK too, or are you using your contract to ignore that, too?

I can’t confirm this exact second. Stop making drama out of nothing. Not even answering that question as irrelevant and can’t be compared to something which is the drivers responsibility.

 

[Mark T Jones]

I’m thinking of sacking them both off if this continues but want to know if I am being unreasonable and paying too low.

Personally I'd get rid.

today they want to earn a living, tomorrow they'll be after employee rights - it's a slippery slope.

 

[Abbyboo92]

Personally I'd get rid.

today they want to earn a living, tomorrow they'll be after employee rights - it's a slippery slope.

Is this sarcasm? Lol
I pay them a reasonable amount, and they also have employee rights

 

[billmccallum1957]

Abbyboo92 you seem to be totally ignorant of the duties/responsibilities of an employer. If one of your drivers has an accident whilst at work, you could be liable for all costs incurred as their personal insurance will not cover them.

"Police road accident data shows that every year over 500 people are killed (almost one third of all road deaths), 5,000 seriously injured and almost 40,000 slightly injured in collisions involving drivers or riders who are driving for work. This includes other road users, as well as at-work drivers and riders themselves. In fact, most of those killed on work-related journeys are passengers, pedestrians and riders rather than the at-work drivers and riders." source www.rospa.com

You also have duties under road traffic law, eg the Road Traffic Act and the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations, which are administered by the police, and other agencies such as the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA).

 

[Mr D]

So they clock on at say 6pm, clock off at 11 and for most of the time they wait for orders. Then out for delivery a few times.
Not bad work - least they are getting paid while watching the football etc.

The mileage allowance of 45p per mile isn't great but contributes towards fuel and maintenance of the car. And they get paid per delivery too.

There's worse jobs of an evening.

 

[UKSBD]

Don't know about the insurance, but £10 an hour and £1 delivery sounds fair.

13p a mile is considered fair by the Government so if journeys are under 8 miles they are just about breaking even. What distance are most deliveries?