What do SEO companies do?

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More and more I see that SEO is about writing for the end user, and to be natural etc. Link building is a bad idea (from what I've read) and its more about natural link 'earning'. Buying 100s of links from bloggers is old news, as is posting a link to your site in comments etc.

Aside from having a well structured page (I.e 1 H1 tag, sub-headings as H2 etc etc) and good content, what can an SEO specialist do?
 

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Aside from having a well structured page (I.e 1 H1 tag, sub-headings as H2 etc etc) and good content, what can an SEO specialist do?

When you drill into it, there are lots of on-site SEO considerations that can affect rankings (some of them quite technical). Some SEOs only offer on-site services and don't touch 'link building'
 
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Only talking about on-line retailing here.
If the goal is purely search engine optimisation (moving a website up the results pages), there must be a lot of disappointed website owners out there. Firstly, if you find a company that actually has the capability to get your site Top 3 for genuinely 'searched for' keywords, chances are you've wasted a lot of time and money.
Secondly, if and when you get there, you find out that people don't actually search for 'products' in organic search results any more. There are far better ways for retailers to market their online stores.
It seems from what I know of SEO, that it's been turned into a science which is marketed as pivotal in the success or failure of a business. The time and cost involved in ranking a retail website is simply not worth the investment.
Sure, make the website attractive, user friendly and display your products well, but you don't need an SEO company to do that. Ranking for popular keywords in retail is over-rated.
 
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Let me sum that up for you.

Don't do link building - Reach out to publishers
Don't focus on keywords - Produce content pieces based on content topics and content lists.

I linked to that more in regards to finding out company goals, analysing where (and if) SEO can contribute to these goals, testing/measuring and learning.

In regards to the no link building I'd disagree. Personally, I'd also say that reaching out to publishers and people with your content is link building. It's just not fashionable to call it that at the moment for some strange reason. "Content Marketing" and "Outreach" is just BS - people are doing it to gain links and increase rankings - it's link building.

For some reason, Moz are now at the front of the white-hat brigade yet admit that links are still one of the biggest ranking factors. You can rank without, but for industries that are highly competitive, with tens or hundreds of thousands of searches per month with millions of pounds changing hands, you need quality links.

A few days ago I managed to land a client a relevant link on a prestigious universities website. Would I say I was doing content marketing or outreach? I suppose I was, but I still just call it link building :)
 
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Instead of an end result which is all singing and dancing, and difficult/expensive to achieve, when sourcing SEO services it may be more advantageous to seek improvements from where you are already.

Improvements like:
  • Better sales pages - copywriting
  • Better content for SEO - blog posts
  • Better social media engagement
  • Better keyword targeting - include long-tails (specific), local
  • Better use of headers, descriptions, etc.,.
  • Better PPC campaigns - targeted, specific ad groups, specific keywords. work on landing pages for relevancy
Time is a big factor to ranking well, so, see the end goal, that's great, but then take the smaller steps to get there. ;)
 
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Instead of an end result which is all singing and dancing, and difficult/expensive to achieve, when sourcing SEO services it may be more advantageous to seek improvements from where you are already.

Improvements like:
  • Better sales pages - copywriting
  • Better content for SEO - blog posts
  • Better social media engagement
  • Better keyword targeting - include long-tails (specific), local
  • Better use of headers, descriptions, etc.,.
  • Better PPC campaigns - targeted, specific ad groups, specific keywords. work on landing pages for relevancy
Time is a big factor to ranking well, so, see the end goal, that's great, but then take the smaller steps to get there. ;)

And there you have it

There is a lot more to it than you might think and as always it all depends

The problem can be actually knowing "what you want" for your business and where it is at and trying to achieve and within what budget and with what time constraints etc etc

And then how to best go about it

It is no longer just straight SEO and a good online marketing specialist will help you work out what it is that is perhaps best for you

So do you actually know what you are actually trying to achieve and with what constraints - since this is what drives it all
 
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When you drill into it, there are lots of on-site SEO considerations that can affect rankings (some of them quite technical). Some SEOs only offer on-site services and don't touch 'link building'

I agree, there are so many factors that you need to be aware of beside the usual H1, H2, keyword density, titles, duplicate content/pages etc. Read more about the technical site audit on the Moz blog or just search on google.

And for off-page, backlinks etc, is the same thing - you have to have tools and know how to use them to see if the website where you want to place the link on it is penalized, does it rank for anything, has a clean backlink profile, is posting a lot of sponsored posts, how many outbound links has on any given page etc etc etc

Real SEO's really work for the client's money. Most of the companies that are coming and going in the span of 1-2 years, will more likely take your money and damage your site.
 
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Only talking about on-line retailing here.
If the goal is purely search engine optimisation (moving a website up the results pages), there must be a lot of disappointed website owners out there. Firstly, if you find a company that actually has the capability to get your site Top 3 for genuinely 'searched for' keywords, chances are you've wasted a lot of time and money.
Secondly, if and when you get there, you find out that people don't actually search for 'products' in organic search results any more. There are far better ways for retailers to market their online stores.
It seems from what I know of SEO, that it's been turned into a science which is marketed as pivotal in the success or failure of a business. The time and cost involved in ranking a retail website is simply not worth the investment.
Sure, make the website attractive, user friendly and display your products well, but you don't need an SEO company to do that. Ranking for popular keywords in retail is over-rated.
:D
 
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The truth is that they all say different things work. Ask google what they like to see, after all over 80% of the uk searches are through google. From what I understand it's about good relevent content and balance, I got told it takes time so be patient.
 
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Hello everybody,

I'm a former Google, Inc. employee and I can tell you that SEO is not wizardry, it's not some semi-science and especially nothing to be a genius in order to comprehend how Search Engine Optimization works.

First of all - it's a matter of content.
Second - it's a matter or pure arithmetics, algorithms.
Have your content written down before you think of website design.
Second - decide what your website DOES. It's like buttons :) What does this button do?
Third - Design - Form follows function.

Don't imagine your website like a sweet little frame and then when you want to add more content nothing fits in. So, imagine your website like it's something made of chewing gum... should never be the same, should always offer new experiences - this brings me to the WOW or surprise factor.

In this order you should consider things for a better SEO:

1. Find a guy who can write clean code

2. Pick up your color scheme

3. Write down your copyright

4. Asses images of the site or have your images done especially for the site, talk to an illustrator, graphic guy, designer, etc.

5. Imagine the typography - headings, normal paragraph text, subtitles, chapter signs, bullets, etc.

6. Now back to content, create each page and carefully craft it on paper, visualize it so you will be able to properly describe it to the web designer, also keep it simple and let the designer do what he/she does: design. Don't screw with designer's work, that's why they studied DESIGN, so they can offer services and DESIGN stuff. Don't be the designer's controller, let them do their job. You can't design websites better than they do, you can only make suggestions and accept their refuse, maybe that's a real bad idea.

7. Follow-up with the designer every three days, let him/her breathe, don't call/write every day, it's so annoying.

8. When site get into shape don't look at it everyday like 10's of times, your original idea might disappear, and THAT could be the best idea you might come up with. Plus that the designer might charge you additionally for the modifications.

9. At this point you'd rather prepare for the website launch, advertise it, do some viral stuff, tell your friends, create a "current", do what you exactly do before your first child get born: be excited.

10. Keep your website up to date, keep posting new content. Google loves fresh unique content. It doesn't matter what stupid stuff you want to post as long as it's your own generated content.

11. Drive some Social Media Campaigns or SMM, SEM, or other triple-letter abbreviation smart name thingy.

Don't bother about inbound linking, make sure your website is easy to navigate, has an excellent typography and website architecture, it's nice for the human eye, the code should be clean, get gorgeous images, crisp and coloured, let your visitors' eyes go around the site, not just see the logo and the menu... this brings us to visitor's engagement to the site.

Give the visitor something to do, they all get bored at your blah-blah about how old on the market and reliable your company is, they don't care about that. They came there to see some action, oh yes! ACTION! Call-to-action! Do this, click here, buy that, see that... they prefer call-to-action buttons to your multitude of text and company history, philosophy and/or view, business ideas... really, nobody cares about that.

Visitors need your services and your contact data. The rest is just pages you can woo them with, make their navigation pleasant. It's like they are in your home: you're supposed to make them feel welcome and special.

Some companies offer you weekly SEO services, or they promise you number one in 2 weeks or something... People, believe me, nobody can guarantee such a thing, not even Google. When you hear about weekly/monthly payment for SEO just turn to the opposite direction and run as fast as you can - because it smells like fraud.

I could go on and on about the other aspects of SEO, but it's already too much :)
YES, so is not about the on/off-site optimization. It's about original content, typography, user experience and architecture. The rest will come with your hands off: SERP, inbound linking, referrals...
 
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Hello everybody,

I'm a former Google, Inc. employee and I can tell you that SEO is not wizardry, it's not some semi-science and especially nothing to be a genius in order to comprehend how Search Engine Optimization works.

First of all - it's a matter of content.
Second - it's a matter or pure arithmetics, algorithms.
Have your content written down before you think of website design.
Second - decide what your website DOES. It's like buttons :) What does this button do?
Third - Design - Form follows function.

Don't imagine your website like a sweet little frame and then when you want to add more content nothing fits in. So, imagine your website like it's something made of chewing gum... should never be the same, should always offer new experiences - this brings me to the WOW or surprise factor.

In this order you should consider things for a better SEO:

1. Find a guy who can write clean code

2. Pick up your color scheme

3. Write down your copyright

4. Asses images of the site or have your images done especially for the site, talk to an illustrator, graphic guy, designer, etc.

5. Imagine the typography - headings, normal paragraph text, subtitles, chapter signs, bullets, etc.

6. Now back to content, create each page and carefully craft it on paper, visualize it so you will be able to properly describe it to the web designer, also keep it simple and let the designer do what he/she does: design. Don't screw with designer's work, that's why they studied DESIGN, so they can offer services and DESIGN stuff. Don't be the designer's controller, let them do their job. You can't design websites better than they do, you can only make suggestions and accept their refuse, maybe that's a real bad idea.

7. Follow-up with the designer every three days, let him/her breathe, don't call/write every day, it's so annoying.

8. When site get into shape don't look at it everyday like 10's of times, your original idea might disappear, and THAT could be the best idea you might come up with. Plus that the designer might charge you additionally for the modifications.

9. At this point you'd rather prepare for the website launch, advertise it, do some viral stuff, tell your friends, create a "current", do what you exactly do before your first child get born: be excited.

10. Keep your website up to date, keep posting new content. Google loves fresh unique content. It doesn't matter what stupid stuff you want to post as long as it's your own generated content.

11. Drive some Social Media Campaigns or SMM, SEM, or other triple-letter abbreviation smart name thingy.

Don't bother about inbound linking, make sure your website is easy to navigate, has an excellent typography and website architecture, it's nice for the human eye, the code should be clean, get gorgeous images, crisp and coloured, let your visitors' eyes go around the site, not just see the logo and the menu... this brings us to visitor's engagement to the site.

Give the visitor something to do, they all get bored at your blah-blah about how old on the market and reliable your company is, they don't care about that. They came there to see some action, oh yes! ACTION! Call-to-action! Do this, click here, buy that, see that... they prefer call-to-action buttons to your multitude of text and company history, philosophy and/or view, business ideas... really, nobody cares about that.

Visitors need your services and your contact data. The rest is just pages you can woo them with, make their navigation pleasant. It's like they are in your home: you're supposed to make them feel welcome and special.

Some companies offer you weekly SEO services, or they promise you number one in 2 weeks or something... People, believe me, nobody can guarantee such a thing, not even Google. When you hear about weekly/monthly payment for SEO just turn to the opposite direction and run as fast as you can - because it smells like fraud.

I could go on and on about the other aspects of SEO, but it's already too much :)
YES, so is not about the on/off-site optimization. It's about original content, typography, user experience and architecture. The rest will come with your hands off: SERP, inbound linking, referrals...

What was your job at google?
 
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All well and good but a lot of that has nothing to do with what an SEO company does (unless Google is now ranking by colour scheme)

And I would have said 'It doesn't matter what stupid stuff you want to post' is the opposite of what you should do because Google says:
'Create a useful, information-rich site, and write pages that clearly and accurately describe your content'
 
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@fisicx : Of course, Google doesn't rank websites upon colour scheme, I was just pointing out things to consider before you start a website.

REF Stupid stuff: That's for maintaining your website updated, "stupid" it's much to say from me, but having a website with fresh content beats the accuracy and information quality/quantity criteria. Accuracy and type of information are criteria for the visitors.

Anyway, I'm glad I'm almost on the same page with many people here and somebody actually replied to my too long forum reply :)
 
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@fisicx : No, not SEO, but being in touch a lot with four other departments and being trained in six departments in an interval of fours years, I believe I understood a lot about SEO from the inside. I worked another three years on Google Reader project (XML/JScript programming squad), then we were all dismissed, the old guard. Now I just freelance, but still not for SEO, I do what I always dreamed of: design :)
 
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Of course, Google doesn't rank websites upon colour scheme, I was just pointing out things to consider before you start a website.
Nope, the colour scheme is one of the last things you do.
but having a website with fresh content beats the accuracy and information quality/quantity criteria.
Nope again, I've got site that haven't been touched for years and still rank about those with new and fresh content
Anyway, I'm glad I'm almost on the same page with many people here and somebody actually replied to my too long forum reply :)
I disagree with many of your points (and not just because they are irrelevant to the thread)
but it's Sunday and I'm too chilled to get into a long discussion about the finer points of the web design process.
 
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An SEO company is extremely limited in what it can do. Ideally, you'd use a digital marketing agency (unless you have the manpower and experience to do it in-house). I've always considered proper SEO to be split into five parts:
Technical/Design
Content Marketing
Online PR
Social Media Marketing
Conversion Rate Optimisation

Unless you implement all 5 (PPC/Adwords is also a viable option), then you won't be getting the maximum return out of your investment. A good SEO will understand this and encourage you to invest in as much as possible. Companies may thing that it's just to get more of their budget, but in actuality it's to get more results.
Out top paying client receives the most amount of time each month and has seen results that are miles head of any of our other clients. You have to spend money to make money.
 
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Worst are the complete ****holes who speak at conferences. I once heard a bloke open a talk entitled 'How to SEO like a super-affiliate' with 'let me say first of all that I am not a super-affiliate'. I walked out.

Surely the worst are the complete ****holes who are not willing to listen to someone's advice without even bothering to find out if it's worthwhile or not
 
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More and more I see that SEO is about writing for the end user, and to be natural etc. Link building is a bad idea (from what I've read) and its more about natural link 'earning'. Buying 100s of links from bloggers is old news, as is posting a link to your site in comments etc.

Aside from having a well structured page (I.e 1 H1 tag, sub-headings as H2 etc etc) and good content, what can an SEO specialist do?

Aside from content structure, a good SEO will:
Optimize your content's semantic core based on a keyword research
Grade your website / page on technical factors such as: compliant html/css/js, page size / page speed, url architecture, internal linking, meta information, response codes / canonicalization
Test your website usability and user experience on various devices and browsers
Check for important on page elements such as proper navigation, call to actions, contact information
Suggest an offsite strategy such as: email outreach, social media, link building, PPC, content marketing, etc.

There are probably a thousand more things a good SEO can do for your website.

P.S. There absolutely nothing bad about "white hat link building". It is a powerful strategy that helps both you and the internet (to an extent). It is even promoted from search engines.
 
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Hello everybody,

I'm a former Google, Inc. employee and I can tell you that SEO is not wizardry, it's not some semi-science and especially nothing to be a genius in order to comprehend how Search Engine Optimization works.

First of all - it's a matter of content.
Second - it's a matter or pure arithmetics, algorithms.
Have your content written down before you think of website design.
Second - decide what your website DOES. It's like buttons :) What does this button do?
Third - Design - Form follows function.

Don't imagine your website like a sweet little frame and then when you want to add more content nothing fits in. So, imagine your website like it's something made of chewing gum... should never be the same, should always offer new experiences - this brings me to the WOW or surprise factor.

In this order you should consider things for a better SEO:

1. Find a guy who can write clean code

2. Pick up your color scheme

3. Write down your copyright

4. Asses images of the site or have your images done especially for the site, talk to an illustrator, graphic guy, designer, etc.

5. Imagine the typography - headings, normal paragraph text, subtitles, chapter signs, bullets, etc.

6. Now back to content, create each page and carefully craft it on paper, visualize it so you will be able to properly describe it to the web designer, also keep it simple and let the designer do what he/she does: design. Don't screw with designer's work, that's why they studied DESIGN, so they can offer services and DESIGN stuff. Don't be the designer's controller, let them do their job. You can't design websites better than they do, you can only make suggestions and accept their refuse, maybe that's a real bad idea.

7. Follow-up with the designer every three days, let him/her breathe, don't call/write every day, it's so annoying.

8. When site get into shape don't look at it everyday like 10's of times, your original idea might disappear, and THAT could be the best idea you might come up with. Plus that the designer might charge you additionally for the modifications.

9. At this point you'd rather prepare for the website launch, advertise it, do some viral stuff, tell your friends, create a "current", do what you exactly do before your first child get born: be excited.

10. Keep your website up to date, keep posting new content. Google loves fresh unique content. It doesn't matter what stupid stuff you want to post as long as it's your own generated content.

11. Drive some Social Media Campaigns or SMM, SEM, or other triple-letter abbreviation smart name thingy.

Don't bother about inbound linking, make sure your website is easy to navigate, has an excellent typography and website architecture, it's nice for the human eye, the code should be clean, get gorgeous images, crisp and coloured, let your visitors' eyes go around the site, not just see the logo and the menu... this brings us to visitor's engagement to the site.

Give the visitor something to do, they all get bored at your blah-blah about how old on the market and reliable your company is, they don't care about that. They came there to see some action, oh yes! ACTION! Call-to-action! Do this, click here, buy that, see that... they prefer call-to-action buttons to your multitude of text and company history, philosophy and/or view, business ideas... really, nobody cares about that.

Visitors need your services and your contact data. The rest is just pages you can woo them with, make their navigation pleasant. It's like they are in your home: you're supposed to make them feel welcome and special.

Some companies offer you weekly SEO services, or they promise you number one in 2 weeks or something... People, believe me, nobody can guarantee such a thing, not even Google. When you hear about weekly/monthly payment for SEO just turn to the opposite direction and run as fast as you can - because it smells like fraud.

I could go on and on about the other aspects of SEO, but it's already too much :)
YES, so is not about the on/off-site optimization. It's about original content, typography, user experience and architecture. The rest will come with your hands off: SERP, inbound linking, referrals...

I was going to write something like "What do SEO companies do? Easy - they phone us several times a day!"

But I just want to thank DorianPro for that clear and concise outline on how to design and build a website.
 
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@fisicx : Of course, Google doesn't rank websites upon colour scheme, I was just pointing out things to consider before you start a website.

REF Stupid stuff: That's for maintaining your website updated, "stupid" it's much to say from me, but having a website with fresh content beats the accuracy and information quality/quantity criteria. Accuracy and type of information are criteria for the visitors.

Anyway, I'm glad I'm almost on the same page with many people here and somebody actually replied to my too long forum reply :)


Did more than that, copied your post and saved it, useful to get good info from a source not trying to punt their services.
 
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