What are your true thoughts on recruitment Agencies?

How would you rate your most recent experience with a recruitment agency?

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Rachel Longworth

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Hi,

I am in the process of setting up a new recruitment business and understand many people (both employers and job seekers) have a very negative view on the recruitment industry.

So my questions to you are:

What are your bug bears when it comes to using a recruitment company?
AND
What would you like to see changed within the way a recruitment company operates?

Thank you in advance and I am really interested in people's thoughts on this.

Rachel Longworth
Precise Personnel Ltd - Derby
 
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I don't like to criticise or stereotype employment agencies, much......

but there is a very good reason why such employment agency stereotypes exist in the general urban opinion, and have a bad press.

Because I have found all the employment agencies that I have visited in person, to have the same faults.

From new start-ups, to major agencies like Reed, Adecco, etc.

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I have quite often been to the initial interview at the agency high street office where it was conducted by a ( seemingly ) 17 year old school leaver ( cheaper to employ ) who, quite understandably, obviously do not have a faintest clue about engineering / mechanical design / grave digging / companies, and their own particular requirements.


They know only what they read from the employee requirement script from the employer,
( the contents of which are vague at the best of times )
but you can be sure that the interviewer doesn't understand a word of it.

So they do not know it you would, or would not, be a suitable candidate for the position at that company who is paying the agency to find them a worker..

The agency staff never consider actually calling the company on the phone, so that the job applicant can actually talk to someone who knows what he is talking about.

I have actually ASKED several interviewers to call the company for clarification, but they refuse to do so.
Why is that ?

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So you have spent hours carefully writing out your final polished copy of your CV, especially crafted for that position that you are applying for.

Mistake.

You are now sitting in one of the larger, more national employment agency offices.
You have just been handed a bland, soulless, indifferent looking two page form for you to write your entire life and working history on.

All over again.

Because the agency requires their own standardised job application forms for their internal filing systems.

Stuff you !

How damn irritating is that ?

What's the point of spending time writing out your own personalised CV when the agency will not accept them ?

This is the point when I get up and leave, for the most part I have been in the fortunate financial position to do just that, go to another agency, find something else, but many people will not be so lucky.

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Seems to me that if any technical words that you have written on your CV do not exactly match what is written on the requirement sheet from the company, you go in the bin.

Even if the applicant had been doing that same type of job previously. For years.

It would be greatly beneficial for job applicants if employment agencies employ staff who have actually been previously employed in the same or similar type of industry.

Smaller employment agencies should not try to generalise, across the county, country, but preferably specialise in just one or two markets, those employers that are most relevant to the town and local area that the agency is situated in.

As some indeed do.
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"Ok, leave your CV with us, I will fax it over to the company now, I will call you when they have made a decision"

They never call back....EVER.

I call them two weeks later =

"Oh, er, um, I'm sorry, we don't seem to be able to find your application.
What's your name again " ?

Because it obviously went straight in the bin.

Post-interview feedback = Zilch.

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Web based Agencies.

Same as above, but worse.

There are hundreds of web based agencies to trawl through, write CV's for, send CV's to.

Each seem to have the same jobs advertised, all twenty-five of them.

It is easy to spot where the same position is being advertised.

Many agencies sometimes cannot even bother to alter the exact wording in the text of the request script sent directly from the employer.

Except........

Agencies have their own reputation to upkeep, competition for finding the better class of potential employees compared to those offered by their rivals.

I have noticed that some agencies make little additions to the original script, in order to attract the "better" applicants.

Suddenly, for obviously the same job, where an HND certificate was sufficient for the qualifications list, now they require a Degree.

A graduate, of course.
They are probably not legally allowed to advertise for a YOUNG graduate.

And then they also expect the degree applicant to have a few years hands-on experience of working in the position they have just applied for.

Oh, and of course, full working knowledge of the company's XYZ obscure Win 98 software programs.
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Printed at the base of some employment agency web pages >>>

Unfortunately, due to the high volume of employment applications we receive each day, we are unable to respond.

If you have not been contacted after three weeks, please assume that your application has not been successful on this occasion.

This means =

The agency cannot bother their idle little Ass to even send you an email to let you know the results of your initial interview, or whether you will ever receive an ACTUAL interview at the company.

That's assuming that you have not been forgotten about already.

So you wait around.....wondering.

How long does it take the agency to send even a vanilla flavour stock email ?
You failed - now Sod Off.

More preferable to receiving no answer at all.

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Distance to workplace.

Why don't web agencies indicate exactly WHERE the position is situated ?
Post code, map, etc.

It is very common to read in the job adverts >>>

Position is easily commutable from Basingstoke, Reading, Newbury, Surrey, Kent, John-O-Groats !

Not much use for people like myself who do not have a car.

If I cannot get there easily by bus or rail, there is not much point wasting my time and hours of futile effort in even applying for the position.

I call the phone numbers of the respective agency and they always refuse to give the exact location = "It's somewhere near Newbury, that's your final clue."

What's the point of all the SECRECY ?

With a little detective work, it is possible to guess roughly where the company is located, or by exactly what products they produce, and every other agency will of course know that another agency is advertising that same position.

It is not really likely that any applicant could then by-pass the agencies and go directly to the company and apply for the job.

No one at the company would interview them.

They would be sent straight back to the agencies, that's what the employment agencies are paid £ LOTS for.

Just my £2.50 worth !

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So ....Answers to your questions

Keep job advertising to the local area.

Specialise to just the major, more common types of industry in the area.

Actually visit, talk and understand the requirements of the local companies who are most prevalent.

Send emails to keep candidates informed about what is happening with their application.
Even if they fail.

Will be much appreciated for those waiting around for information !

Tell the candidates where / who the company is.
They may not be living in an area to travel there easily.

Call the company to clarify any technical details they require
while the candidate is with you.

Don't "upgrade" any of your job advertisements.

Don't ask the candidates to write out ANOTHER CV
on your own specially printed agency stationery.

Just keep a copy of their own lovingly crafted masterpiece, of which they have spent hours working on !

You could keep track of individual job applicant's skills, CV's and availability using a cheap free-form database.

I use idailydiary proffesional - excellent quickly searchable bottomless throw-all-in database and diary for £ 20

3w dot splinterware dot com website
for a free no-registration nonsense trial !


A good reputation as a honest recruitment agency will soon get around the town !





Dave
 
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lynxus

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    Wow Dave.

    My only input is that in general, ( from a job seeker point of view ) This is what ive found:

    1- As a professional, I dont have too many issues with them. ( As im in a niche market and sought after ), I get a LOT of calls daily.

    2- My ex, however. Was quite unskilled. She worked serving coffee and had some team leader experience. She was shunned somewhat, mostly im assuming due to the huge surplus of talent in this area.

    So yeah.
    Mixed feelings. For me, i dont have a problem with agencies. One thing I would ask that you do is when calling someone about a role, please have some understanding on what its about. I grow tired of being called, asked what im looking for and them not knowing what I'm talking about ( You should already have a good idea as these people calling already have a copy of my CV from Jobsite /.LinkedIN / etc )
     
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    My honest view is that recruitment agencies are not worth a bucket of warm spit. Why?

    Because they do not understand the ins and outs of nearly all the fields that they try to deal with. For example, you cannot hire anybody in servicing and repair through them, because it takes a special skill set to do this type of work and qualifications are worthless. Some great service engineers have no qualifications and others with oodles of qualifications are useless at fault finding. Only an experienced specialist will be able to assess the candidates.

    Because they are easily fooled by qualifications, titles and the like and tend to put people through for interview that are just not right for the job.

    Because the best candidates are to be found by networking within the industry and not by advertising in dailies.

    Because they seldom (well, never!) are able to take a creative or unusual approach to finding people. They have one way of recruiting and assessing people and they stick to that.

    Because they charge you money for something that you or your department head could do better.
     
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    MikeH

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    Crikey. Someone found the tin opener for that can of worms.

    From an employers point of view I found they provided a poor selection of candidates and the one we chose to give an opportunity to could not even navigate through basic excel spread sheets and word documents. You know you are in trouble when they ask 'what is copy and paste?'. We now recruit staff through our own efforts.
     
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    ZoeMoore

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    Wow, wow and wow. Some very true points raise here which are not nice to hear but sadly true.

    I work for RIDA Ltd and we invest and consult to UK Recruitment businesses. I must say lots of what Dave and other people have said is true.

    At RIDA we teach our companies and its employees (if they do not now already) that the candidate is just as important as the client. After all, no candidate means no client.

    Processes are key, if you don't have these in place from day dot and employ even just one person, you will see the impact. A business will also struggle to grow with now processes in place. We see countless amounts of businesses, making money, trading for 3 years yet still don't have processes in place and wonder why they can't grow or their staff turn over is so high.

    A few tips (people really forget to do these things when setting up a business as they assume not high priority tasks...wrong)

    1. Create a business plan - who are you, what do you do as a business and what do you intend to do for both your clients and candidates.
    2. Company mission statement and vision
    3. Company values - these are so important. Its not just the fluffy page that sits hidden on your website. These should be replicated by the staff you employ, they will follow your ethics and standards and you as the Director are saying from the outset "here they are please follow them"

    Yes there is a list as long as your arm that goes way past 1,2 & 3 however I strongly feel that the bad reputation that people refer to is down to people, miscommunication from Directors (how should we be working) unclear expectations and lack of direction to staff.

    We only work with specialist agencies, rather than your general high street agency that fills every type of job going. There is more money in niche sectors and actually the normal go to agencies will soon get taken over by the internet, jobs boards and social media. People are getting smarter about how to find a job and those general agencies are going to have to fight harder for the roles with better margins if they are not in a niche field.

    I hope that helps.

    Zoe
     
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    Richie N

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    Why start a thread like this? You will only ever hear the negative thoughts, definitely opening up a can of worms....
    Try searching if you want more information.

    I think you will find that its the agencies that re-write the CVs in their own format, rather than getting the candidate to do it.
     
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    Why start a thread like this? You will only ever hear the negative thoughts, definitely opening up a can of worms....
    Try searching if you want more information.

    I think you will find that its the agencies that re-write the CVs in their own format, rather than getting the candidate to do it.

    It's called market research mate.

    You can read all the self interested published bollox you want on the internet but unless you''re prepared to engage with your potential markets in order to validate your ideas then you may as well not bother.

    Are you a recruitment 'consultant'?
     
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    MikeJ

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    The fact that they lie through their teeth to get to speak to people.

    Refuse point blank to stop spamming you.

    Stupidly unfair terms and conditions. Broadly, you pay three months salary and if that person leaves, they may try to find someone else. If not, then tough.

    I'd tear my eyes out before dealing with them.
     
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    Richie N

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    It's called market research mate.

    You can read all the self interested published bollox you want on the internet but unless you''re prepared to engage with your potential markets in order to validate your ideas then you may as well not bother.

    Are you a recruitment 'consultant'?

    Sorry I beg to differ...
    Aim at your potential clients in your market sector yes but not posting a thread on a forum that opens up to everyone to slag off agencies.
    It's the same as estate agents or something similar, most will just give negative answers.
     
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    Sorry I beg to differ...
    Aim at your potential clients in your market sector yes but not posting a thread on a forum that opens up to everyone to slag off agencies.
    It's the same as estate agents or something similar, most will just give negative answers.

    Beg as much as you like mate.

    She's obviously looking to identify potential points of differentiation. Criticism of the perception of the industry from both perspectives aids the process.

    Are you a recruitment 'consultant'?
     
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    aarthielumalai

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    I haven't personally used them in my business, but most of my university's campus interviews were conducted by them, so I can speak from that side.

    I wasn't exactly looking for a job. I had a business, but I still wanted to know what the current industry standards are, and what the big companies are looking for.

    Most of the big companies hire recruitment agencies for the preliminary stages of an interview (the test, then the first few stages of an interview before their HR personnel step in).

    What I noticed is that, they didn't exactly know what the company is looking for. Their questions are either too general or too specific and when you do get selected at the first stages, you find that the company representative was not exactly looking for said skill.

    Maybe there is a communication gap between them, or they just don't research the industry before they set up their tests and interviews.

    Most of the time, companies ended up choosing way less candidates than they planned on and announced they will choose, because the preliminary filtering was not done well. Skilled students were rejected, and the not so skilled ones were chosen at the preliminary stages (for who knows what reason), and that really disheartened students who actually knew what they were talking about.

    So yeah, if recruitment companies actually enough research on the particular job post beforehand and go according to that, they might save a lot of grievances for both the employees and employers.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
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    What I noticed is that, they didn't exactly know what the company is looking for. Their questions are either too general or too specific and when you do get selected at the first stages, you find that the company representative was not exactly looking for said skill.

    Maybe there is a communication gap between them, or they just don't research the industry before they set up their tests and interviews.


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    Because they didn't damn well ask !!

    It is quite obvious that Employment agencies

    ( those in my experience )
    simply cannot be bothered to dig deep into finding out exactly what attributes and skills the company is expecting in the new employee who they are looking for.

    Or exactly what products the company manufactures,
    or the names and numbers of the most relevant people
    to contact at the company,
    or the company working hours, etc.

    It costs the agencies money to employ a person to waste time on such useless trivialities........


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    Sorry I beg to differ...
    Aim at your potential clients in your market sector yes but not posting a thread on a forum that opens up to everyone to slag off agencies.
    It's the same as estate agents or something similar, most will just give negative answers.

    Now I've logged in on the laptop I can see you are in the recruitment industry, in which case, I suggest you stick around and take on board what's being said.
     
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    aarthielumalai

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    What I noticed is that, they didn't exactly know what the company is looking for. Their questions are either too general or too specific and when you do get selected at the first stages, you find that the company representative was not exactly looking for said skill.

    Maybe there is a communication gap between them, or they just don't research the industry before they set up their tests and interviews.


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    Because they didn't damn well ask !!

    It is quite obvious that Employment agencies

    ( those in my experience )
    simply cannot be bothered to dig deep into finding out exactly what attributes and skills the company is expecting in the new employee who they are looking for.

    Or exactly what products the company manufactures,
    or the names and numbers of the most relevant people
    to contact at the company,
    or the company working hours, etc.

    It costs the agencies money to employ a person to waste time on such useless trivialities........


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    Exactly Dave! If it'll cost them money, let them just charge more. I don't understand why they think that doing a half baked job that'll not satisfy their clients is the way to go. They're probably losing a valuable client and future referrals by doing so.

    I wasn't keen on getting a job, so I never really was upset about what happened. But there were other students who depended on these job opportunities.

    Quality is paramount for any business, without which they can't last.

    So Rachel, if you really want to start a recruitment business, start one that really delivers on their promise. With the current state of the industry, if you do that, once word gets out, I'm sure work will start piling up.
     
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    I don't understand why companies, who are searching for new employees, do not place their advertisement directly with the Job-Centre.

    That's what it is there for.
    That's where a lot of unemployed people go.

    Crap system as it is.


    Last time I checked, it is free to place your advertisement on their system.

    Once upon a time, this was the normal method.

    Sure, the company will need to spend some money by using one of it's own staff to interview the applicants for the job advertised,

    but at least the company will eventually weed out the best employee for the job they are advertising.

    It could also, overall, be a lot cheaper than engaging one or more employment agencies,

    who will send along a motley selection of their best stab-in-the-dark offerings, in their hope that they are the exact candidates who the company are looking for.

    Even after that, the company will still have to spend some time on these people sent from the employment agency to find their best applicant.

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    Employment agencies have become a whole new form of business within the business world themselves, and they keep multiplying.

    They have now become the generally accepted method for companies to find new employees.

    Is it because companies really think that it will be a cheaper and easier method for them to find employees ?

    Now we see employment agencies are actually advertising themselves by placing their own job vacancies on the Job-Centre website !

    What a bloody nerve !


    Dave


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    Sorry I beg to differ...
    Aim at your potential clients in your market sector yes but not posting a thread on a forum that opens up to everyone to slag off agencies.
    It's the same as estate agents or something similar, most will just give negative answers.



    ......opens up to everyone to slag off agencies.
    It's the same as estate agents or something similar, most will just give negative answers.


    Negative answers...
    Ever thought that there may be a VERY GOOD REASON for that ?


    dave

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    It's a pity that Steve and Richie are using this thread for some private issue that I personally don't don't want to hear about, as it is an interesting subject.

    I have thought about this and I cannot think of a single task in any company (let alone my own!) that would benefit in any way from the use of a recruitment agency. In fact, I am now convinced that all tasks and vacancies would suffer badly from the use of such agencies.

    As we only employ creative specialists and it takes another creative specialist to assess such a person, using an agency would kill us stone dead.

    You cannot use agencies for top management, as they really go for the safe options and the better qualifications - a sure way to establish a poisonous tribe of group-thinkers inside your company.

    Put it this way - Steve Jobs would never have got through an agency interview!

    Bill Gates would not have been put on the short-list.

    I would love to hear from someone working for an agency, telling me that it ain't so. I would really like to hear the other side of the story. Are there any reasons for using an agency?
     
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    It's a pity that Steve and Richie are using this thread for some private issue that I personally don't don't want to hear about, as it is an interesting subject.

    And that is one of the reasons I left this forum alone for quite some time. I see too many people looking for arguments online. This forum is littered with threads that in my opinion have posts that are rude, nasty or unhelpful. Shame mods cant tell people to calm down from time to time.
     
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    SwindonSteve

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    Hang on a minute! I had no intention of starting an argument but it was clear from Rachel's original post that she was conducting some market research and it's perfectly reasonable to ask the question that she did. Ritchie's first post on this thread was very defensive and I merely suggested that they might pick something up from the replies which they could take on board. I'm not the one getting all precious about it but then I have no vested interest.

    For what it's worth, I think most of 'criticism' that has been expressed on this thread is valid as it has come from both employers and employees.

    The question is, is Rachel able to take anything from the criticism and create something that can embody a different set of values and a different approach to the industry that would differentiate her recruitment business from the dross that currently saturates the market.
     
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