Utility Warehouse

[yourfuture2]

MH1 thanks for your sensible comments, like you said, MLM isn't for everyone, that doesn't mean it isn't for anyone.

CJD said:
"Correct, and as a fully paid up Mr MLM Negative I suggest that anybody reading this thread does exactly what you suggest and avoids working for UW's 'treadmill' and finds their own business to make their own way in."

If I understand you correctly what you are saying is.."I don't like UW or MLM because it didn't work for me so nobody else should try it either."
And which UW treadmill am I supposed to be referring to exactly? Oh! that would be the one that means I can spend much of the year in my house overlooking the beach, not having to work 40-45 hrs a week making somebody else rich and being in control of my own future. Hmm, some treadmill !!

And Draugen, if you don't want to do UW then don't do it, nobody is going to hold it against you, but to say you might stay just to wind up your sponsor sounds a little vindictive to me. He is obviously keen to at least try to achieve his goals, whatever they might be.

I don't know what you do for a living, I hope whatever it is you are happy with it, but how would you feel if your businesses/customers were to string you along for a wind-up? I guess you wouldn't be very happy?

 

[self-sale]

I looked into this a while back. I found out quickly that the broadband package they offer was slightly more expensive than what I could get it for directly. After that the proposition fell down.

 

[cjd]

If I understand you correctly what you are saying is.."I don't like UW or MLM because it didn't work for me so nobody else should try it either."

Apart from the 'it didn't work for me bit', yes, that's exactly correct. [Although I think the phrase 'don't like' could be substituted with 'I am disgusted by' - or something much stronger]

So, for the avoidance of doubt, I'll rephrase it so that you can fully understand what I mean.

I am disgusted by MLM operations, they are manipulative cults exploiting the gullible and I recommend that anyone considering joining them should think again.

And which UW treadmill am I supposed to be referring to exactly? Oh! that would be the one that means I can spend much of the year in my house overlooking the beach, not having to work 40-45 hrs a week making somebody else rich and being in control of my own future. Hmm, some treadmill !!

You were referring to to working for other people as being on 'the treadmill' - I was pointing out that working for UW IS working for other people. It was an ironic subtlety - I'm sorry it went over your head.

 

[yourfuture2]

"I'm sorry it went over your head." It didn't! But then every job or business involves working for someone else in one way or another. My point which perhaps you missed is that whilst we may work for someone else we are in control of what we do. An employed person will normally have to work set hours every week and will receive maybe 21 days holiday per year. Most sole traders are still governed by the demand for their services eg 24 hr plumber may have to rush out at 10pm because somebody has an emergency. If he takes a month off work or is ill, he generally won't be earning. These aren't problems I have to worry about.

Anyway, i'm not here to score points on anyone else or to put them down, just to say that if you give it a fair go MLM will work for the majority of people.

 

[cjd]

Anyway, i'm not here to score points on anyone else or to put them down

You are here to defend MLM.

, just to say that if you give it a fair go MLM will work for the majority of people.

Cobblers. MLM only works for the queen bees, not the drones. This is a forum for people who are trying to make a go of their own businesses - becoming a commission only lacky for a motivational cult is in no way a substitute for creating your own business.

 

[yourfuture2]

You are here to defend MLM.
I love it when somebody I have never met tells me what I am thinking or saying. I am not here to defend MLM, there are certainly many I would never recommend. However, all I can say is that for me and many others I know, UW does and has worked.

"Cobblers. MLM only works for the queen bees, not the drones."
Absolute rubbish!! I can't speak for other MLMs but certainly at the UW everyone has an equal chance to succeed, that is a fact whether you like it or not. I know many who only came into the business in recent years but who are already earning a good and growing income.

"This is a forum for people who are trying to make a go of their own businesses"
Which is why all options should be explored. A friend of mine started his own business about 2 years ago and is doing ok. On the down side, he had to borrow a substantial amount of money to set it up, hasn't had a holiday in that period and he estimates he should break even in another year or so.
I wholeheartedly admire anyone who wants to start a business like this, on the other hand, if I can work under the umbrella of a major PLC and be in profit effectively from day one, it is certainly an alternative to consider.

 

[DotNetWebs]

...MLM will work for the majority of people.

There's not enough people in the pyramid for that statement to be true.

Regards

Dotty

 

[yourfuture2]

"There's not enough people in the pyramid for that statement to be true.

Hi Dotty, I thought the pyramids were in Egypt? We certainly don't have any here.
Seriously though, i'm not quite sure exactly what you are suggesting here, not enough what? Perhaps you could elaborate please.

 

[gogojonny]

"There's not enough people in the pyramid for that statement to be true.

Hi Dotty, I thought the pyramids were in Egypt? We certainly don't have any here.
Seriously though, i'm not quite sure exactly what you are suggesting here, not enough what? Perhaps you could elaborate please.

Are you sure you don't work for Kleeneze aswell? On another forum the Kleeneze agents bang on about 'J.O.B. - just over broke', we're not on the 9-5 treadmill etc. Just stop talking rubbish and go and see a Doctor or someone, you might need some help.

MLM will always be a pyramid to me. You pay to join, and stand to make money when you recruit more people who pay to join. When you recruit move you move up the pyramid towards the top, the top being the top guy in UW. And please don't use any arguments like 'in jobs there are people who get paid for recruiting, people above you etc' because when people get a job somewhere like Tesco they don't have to shell out for a 'starter pack' which someone else gets a commission from.

Now you obviously have been alerted to this thread by someone from UW, sent to defend them. I would hate to meet you in a pub because quite frankly I think you would bore me to death. I really hope that you get a proper 9-5 job, one with a treadmill so you can have a little run during your lunch hour, so that we can welcome you back to the real world.

 

[yourfuture2]

Another person who thinks he knows me better than I do!!
With regards to your other statements.

"Are you sure you don't work for Kleeneze aswell" NO

"MLM will always be a pyramid to me." If thats what you want to believe, fine.

"Now you obviously have been alerted to this thread by someone from UW, sent to defend them." Obviously!! Sorry but I actually managed to come across this site all by myself. Amazing I know!

"You pay to join" Yes, a nominal amount which you can now get a full refund on after finding some customers, something over 200 new distributors have achieved in the past 3 months.

"when people get a job somewhere like Tesco they don't have to shell out for a 'starter pack' which someone else gets a commission from"
True. But they are employed and in most cases have little chance of increasing their income significantly over the following years. And just to put the record straight, we do not earn a penny for introducing new distributors into the business.

"I would hate to meet you in a pub because quite frankly I think you would bore me to death." Another assumption! Still, reading your comments you are no doubt the nicest most popular guy down the pub!

"I really hope that you get a proper 9-5 job, one with a treadmill so you can have a little run during your lunch hour, so that we can welcome you back to the real world." Lunch "hour," what's that?

Bottom line is you don't like MLM and you don't think it works, that is your opinion and not fact. Get over it!

 

[Beachcomber]

This is both an interesting and dissapointing thread and if these comments are out of order, I apoligise.

I'm not 100% up on UW but as an ex-Kirby distributor (2 1/2 years) I think I have a grast on the concept.

And just for the record, I think this kind of marketing strategy is crap, often relying heavilly on various sorts of manipulation. It took me 2 1/2 years to work that out

Whether you like UW or these style of set up's is a matter of personal preference. What dissapoints me is the rather savage way some posters in this thread have been treated. Whether you agree or disagree with the points being raised, I would have thought it would be possible to cover these without resorting to silly playground remarks and jibes.

MLM's obviously stir up strong emotions - my involvement in one nearly ended in disaster, but lets keep the discussion just that - a discussion, not a point scoring slanging match. That just debases the entire integrity of the forum and it's members.

....Perhaps I'll stay in this now just to wind my sponsor up when he calls me with his motivational nonsense.....

I'm hoping this is just a joke. As has already been said - it's got a good idea to mess with another persons career whether you agree with them or not, bad Karma and all............

 

[chalkie99]

MLM doesn't work.

It is another name for pyramid selling and is fundamentally flawed.

That is an opinion and a fact. Get used to it!

 

[yourfuture2]

Hi Beachcomber, great to find someone who feels that way and I agree completely with your comments. Why do some people have to insist they are right and get quite nasty if you have a different view? Its for these reasons I seldom bother posting on forums but when you come across comments which are "way off base," sometimes you have to give an informed opinion.

To finish with this,
"MLM doesn't work. That is an opinion and a fact. Get used to it!"

Ok you win, it doesn't work. And for the next 3-4 months I will ponder on your words whilst lazing around my pool in the sun and generally enjoying myself, safe in the knowledge that my earning are far higher than any pension I will receive when that times comes.

 

[cjd]

Its for these reasons I seldom bother posting on forums but when you come across comments which are "way off base," sometimes you have to give an informed opinion.

Here's an informed 'opinion' plus 43 pages of fact and analysis to chew over by your pool.

http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/psamain/resources/MythofMLMIncome.pdf

 

[silvermusic]

I rarely bother posting on forums but having come across this thread, I thought I would make an exception.

I'm not a betting man normally, but what are the chances of just coming across this thread? Same person different ID or sent here would be my bet.

 

[Ashley_Price]

Okay, I've not read every post on this thread, but I would put my points thus:

1/ U.W. is a reputable business - what it is not is a Get Rich Quick Scheme. Just like any business, to make any money out of it you need to work hard; in fact maybe harder than other businesses because it is getting a lot of bad press.

2/ U.W. is very similar to the multi-level-marketing schemes that were big in the mid-nineties. You sell a "product" (cheaper utility bills) for which you get commission and you try and get other people to join (and then you earn commission from their sales, etc.). These people you sign up are your sales force, you have to motivate them just like a sales force in any other business.

3/ You have to believe in what you are selling. But again, that's just like any business.

4/ I seriously don't think you can use it to earn a second income. To make any real money from U.W., as I said in 1/, you have to work hard - and I don't think you'll get too far just spending a couple of hours a week on it.


However, where I think U.W. falls down is:

I think U.W. is starting to become a victim of the "Save money, earn money" advertising, because there seems to be a lot of distributors out there.

There doesn't seem to be any "territories" for the sales people. Therefore you can go to a networking event and find 3 or 4 U.W. distributors in about 30-40 people, so 10%. It can seem like every time you turn to speak to someone it's another U.W. distributor.

If you've said no to the first one, you're not likely to change your mind with the third or fourth or... even if they are female and flashing as much of their bosom as they can decently get away with (no, this isn't sexist, a woman was doing that at a recent networking event I was at).

At the end of the day, if you believe in the product and are willing to put the hours in, then U.W. will earn you a decent income.

Will it make you mega-rich? Well, any business can do that if you do it right.

 

[Beachcomber]

Hi Beachcomber, great to find someone who feels that way and I agree completely with your comments. Why do some people have to insist they are right and get quite nasty if you have a different view?

Ok you win, it doesn't work. And for the next 3-4 months I will ponder on your words whilst lazing around my pool in the sun and generally enjoying myself, safe in the knowledge that my earning are far higher than any pension I will receive when that times comes.

Knowing when to quit is a good attribute to have.
Don't you thing the first statement is negated by the second?
I'd hold off the bragging as it is this above all else that get's other's backs up.

..............and anyway, someone might ask you to pop your head out of the window and take a pic of your beachside residence with pool and post it here - then run it through a filter to see if it's grabbed from google images or is genuine.

 

[gogojonny]

And just to put the record straight, we do not earn a penny for introducing new distributors into the business.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

But you earn money when they start to make sales. And they can earn money when they introduce people to the business and they start to make sales.

If you can't see a Pyramid then I think you better go to Specsavers.

 

[gogojonny]

Ok you win, it doesn't work. And for the next 3-4 months I will ponder on your words whilst lazing around my pool in the sun and generally enjoying myself, safe in the knowledge that my earning are far higher than any pension I will receive when that times comes. [/SIZE]

There are many con artists and criminals doing the same thing. I'm not saying you are a con artist or criminal, but having a pool and loads of free time is no measure of success in today's world. Well done for reaching the top of your pyramid, but you don't know when it's going to all tumble down.

 

[yourfuture2]

Hi Beachcomber, sorry you thought I was bragging, that was not my intention, just my way rightly or wrongly of trying to make a point to those who just won't believe MLM can work.

From the various comments I can only assume it is normal practise to lie on these forums since some just won't believe anything that is said.
"someone might ask you to pop your head out of the window and take a pic of your beachside residence with pool and post it here - then run it through a filter to see if it's grabbed from google images or is genuine."
Great one, sounds like the voice of experience speaking. Did it work for you? I have plenty of photos and you won't find them anywhere on the net.

"I'm not a betting man normally, but what are the chances of just coming across this thread? Same person different ID or sent here would be my bet."
Just as well neither of us are betting men because you would be a few quid down now. I recently signed up for the UKbusinessforums and occasionally browse through it. Finding this thread wasn't difficult since it was titled "Utility Warehouse." I certainly wasn't sent here, I managed to find it all by myself and I have never been on this site before my recent registration.

Anyway, I think this rubbish has gone on long enough. Some are totally against MLM (their choice) and others are doing very well from MLM. Not much more to be said is there?

 

[dynamic08]

Hi Beachcomber, sorry you thought I was bragging, that was not my intention, just my way rightly or wrongly of trying to make a point to those who just won't believe MLM can work.

From the various comments I can only assume it is normal practise to lie on these forums since some just won't believe anything that is said.
"someone might ask you to pop your head out of the window and take a pic of your beachside residence with pool and post it here - then run it through a filter to see if it's grabbed from google images or is genuine."
Great one, sounds like the voice of experience speaking. Did it work for you? I have plenty of photos and you won't find them anywhere on the net.

"I'm not a betting man normally, but what are the chances of just coming across this thread? Same person different ID or sent here would be my bet."
Just as well neither of us are betting men because you would be a few quid down now. I recently signed up for the UKbusinessforums and occasionally browse through it. Finding this thread wasn't difficult since it was titled "Utility Warehouse." I certainly wasn't sent here, I managed to find it all by myself and I have never been on this site before my recent registration.

Anyway, I think this rubbish has gone on long enough. Some are totally against MLM (their choice) and others are doing very well from MLM. Not much more to be said is there?

Well actually there is. You seemed to have ignored cjd

 

[yourfuture2]

Nothing personal cjd, I just couldn't be bothered reading through 43 pages of what I guess is one persons view.
I did look quickly at the first page and it makes the point that MLM has a high failure rate. Very true, can't argue that one. Unfortunately many join thinking they are going to earn lots of dosh quickly and easily and when that doesn't happen, they quit!

On the other hand, those who take it seriously tend to make a success of it, many will earn a good income, some will make a fantastic income.
Some are happy to earn an extra £200pm whilst others push on for much higher incomes.

 

[cjd]

Nothing personal cjd, I just couldn't be bothered reading through 43 pages of what I guess is one persons view.

Of course you couldn't; no-one wants their dreams spoilt. However, it has a detailed analysis of the MLM industry using the MLM's own financial data.

It exposes the mathematics of pyramid schemes and why they CAN'T work - why they are structurally incapable of working. ie nothing to do with how hard you work at it.

It also exposes they lies and tricks of the industry and shows exactly who in the chain makes money and who can't possibly make any.

Now I'm not saying UW is in that league - as far as I know, it's a reputable company re-selling fairly average products at fairly average prices.

Nevertheless, I despise it's motivational cult methods, it's promise of an easy living and big earnings and all the nonsense and delusion that comes with it.

But never mind, enjoy the yacht.

 

[DotNetWebs]

... I despise it's motivational cult methods, it's promise of an easy living and big earnings and all the nonsense and delusion that comes with it...

Borat's observations of Kleeneze agents:

http://www.horshamforum.co.uk/Topic335-21-4.aspx

Regards

Dotty

 

[Beachcomber]

It exposes the mathematics of pyramid schemes and why they CAN'T work - why they are structurally incapable of working. ie nothing to do with how hard you work at it.

It also exposes they lies and tricks of the industry and shows exactly who in the chain makes money and who can't possibly make any.

Unfortunately the first statement is disproved by the second - if a scheme cannot work then no-one can make money. The fact some people make money shows it can work for the 'chosen few'.

The means and methods required to make it work are another matter entirely.

Nevertheless, I despise it's motivational cult methods, it's promise of an easy living and big earnings and all the nonsense and delusion that comes with it.

I agree 100% here. I've seen 1st hand these tactics in use and it is why after 2 1/2 years I walked out of a similar system. I simply could not build a career upon the shattered dreams of others.

Conversely, the promise of an easy buck and great success can go part of the way to explaining the high faliure rate - once it's sinks in that alot of hard work, dedication and commitment is required many simply give up or concentrate on finding fault with the system. The MLM model itself cannot be blamed solely for the high drop out rate.

My old distributor was known as 'The Soul-eater'
Says it all.

 

[My Owl 1]

ok I have had enough of this!!

I am Mrs Average, who has joined Utility Warehouse, having used the services and could see that i could make a buck or three from it too.

CJD we have had a few banters on line because you have "known" and are more knowledgeable than me about VOIP. I bow down to you Yes you are, but horses for courses. if someone like me decides they can make a good business out of Utility Warehouse, AND>>> treats it as a proper business, who are you to say me and my business are rubbish. There are millions of good and bad businesses out there, we all try to make a good buck. I am and I will succeed. Isnt that the point ... succeeding .... does it really matter how we do it. I do know that there are some MLM's that rook you but. do your research this is not one of them. I am not going to be a millionaire from this but it is going to allow me to make choices. And that is what it is about whether I choose to work till I drop... whether I choose to stay at home with my kids... but I know like ALL JOBS/BUSINESSES I will have to go it some put the hours in and then relax. Don't knock my business it is as good as yours.

Get a LIFE all of you there are more important things than slagging UW off. Target AMWAY!!!

 

[cjd]

Unfortunately the first statement is disproved by the second - if a scheme cannot work then no-one can make money. The fact some people make money shows it can work for the 'chosen few'.

You really must read the paper.

The reason it 'works' for the top of the pyramid is because the bottom is being continually replaced by new meat as the failures drop out.

The pyramid only collapses when new idiots run out or the market changes. Unfortunately there are a very large number of people who believe the story that you can get rich quick and fortunately markets collapse rarely.

The MLM model itself cannot be blamed solely for the high drop out rate.

Please read the paper.

 

[Beachcomber]

...........I will succeed. Isnt that the point ... succeeding .... does it really matter how we do it.

Well, actually yes.

Someone can study hard, work hard and build a career and succeed.
Another can sell crack to kids, make a pot of cash and succeed.

Somewhere in between we have 1000 degrees of seperation, all of us have a point beyond which we will not go. Where the MLM model sits between these is an individuals choice.

Pursuing success while forsaking everything and everyone else is pointless. As Albert Einstein said:
"Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value"

Or maybe follow the wisdom of Bill Cosby:
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to faliure is trying to please everybody"

 

[My Owl 1]

Or maybe follow the wisdom of Bill Cosby:
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to faliure is trying to please everybody"

Thank you Beachcomber that is exactly it key to failure is trying to please everybody... this has got to surreal and I for one am not going to please everyone. Just take a hard look at your businesses and tell me that all you have bantered on about does not reflect somethning about yourselves at least we are being honest and saying how it is while you hide behind your rosy glasses being pious!.

Dream On

Good night sweet knights in gilded armour.

 

[Beachcomber]

Just take a hard look at your businesses and tell me that all you have bantered on about does not reflect somethning about yourselves at least we are being honest and saying how it is while you hide behind your rosy glasses being pious!.

Dream On

Good night sweet knights in gilded armour.

"Ridicule is the first and last argument of fools"- Charles Simmons.

 

[Madagascar]

I'm not a distributor (or even a customer yet!) but I've been approached by a local agent with a view to switching our utilities to Utility Warehouse (UW) and the figures do look compelling. I'm a very cautious person so didn't sign up when he called round as I wanted to do further research (which ultimately led me to this thread!). Have to say there was no hard sell, refusing to leave until we signed on the dotted line etc. He was very relaxed and friendly. Unlike our experience with the double glazing salesmen, ugh)

We are currently with British Gas for gas and npower for electric. Both standard tariffs (I'm not overly keen on the idea of wholly online billing, TBH). We've been with these for lord knows how long, never been motivated enough to switch away in the past but the agent has got us thinking about it, which is probably a good thing (although the switching sites are a little daunting at first).

Our phone line is with BT and we have Sky broadband max. Our phone bill last month was £24.53 and we were charged £15 for broadband (I believe they have sneakily increased this from £10 recently). Almost £40! 4 separate direct debits for gas, electric, phone and broadband. The thing that initially attracted us to UW was the single bill/DD approach, but we were expecting it to be expensive. It isn't..well, for us, anyway, unless I've got this all wrong of course. We have always shopped at Sainsburys (our local superstore is approx 300 yards from our house). Family of 4 with 2 cars so we also get our fuel from them (they occasionally have special offers for shoppers). Average weekly expenditure approx £130, so £6760 per annum (doesn't this look like a lot of money when you see it like this?). Apparently if we substitute the UW pre-paid card for our current debit card and pay with that at Sainsburys instead we qualify for a 5% 'reduction' in our UW bill corresponding to the actual spend. That would equate to £338 per year! I believe there are admin costs associated with the UW card so let's say a net £300 per year discount?

We have managed to get our yearly consumption figures from BG and npower and they are 19800 kwhs gas and 3700 kwhs electric. We currently pay quarterly but are prepared to pay by monthly DD seeing the savings! We are currently paying £1295 per year. With UW this would reduce to £895!! (this includes the club fee and pre-paid card discount). Unless I'm missing something?

But then we were encouraged to look at UWs phone line/broadband package, which is just £19.99 per month. Because we would be taking 4 services in total all our calls would be free 24/7 (this includes 01, 02, 03, 0845/0870 and some international destinations but excludes 0844/0871 and premium rate calls, of course). Add this to the charge for gas and electric and we get it to £1135 per year. For all our utilities except water! £160 less than we were paying just for gas and electric! We've checked and checked and this is by far the cheapest deal for us.

Without the 'intervention' of the UW agent (he's a friend of our neighbours) we would never have even thought about switching to a better deal (I suppose we are like most of the population in this regard, apathetic) so I personally think this is a pretty 'viable' business (there must be many many people like us).

 

[Beachcomber]

 

[Draugen]

(there must be many many people like us).

There are! I tend to refer to them as "distributors".

 

[gogojonny]

First time poster writes an essay on Utility Warehouse and the 2 UW 'sidekicks' come along and thank them.

Read into it what you will.

 

[cheaputils]

I actually started as a UW customer, then became a distributor. Sometimes the motivational stuff is a bit cheesy and if you are no good at selling it's not going to work for you, but it can work if you approach it right. I'm not being intimidated by the upline, am taking my time and not ramming it down people's throats. If you're honest with people, don't try the hard sell and let them see the benefits for themselves, people ARE interested. I actually lead with the 5% discount card. With this, the utilities ARE the cheapest, no-one else can touch them if the customer uses the right shops/stores, primarily Sainsbury's for shopping and petrol.

 

[UW_widow]

Has any one considered the poor Hacks, whose partners sign up to this ‘No its not a pyramid’ (Oh yes it is!) scheme.

It was bad enough (AT THE COST OF £200 TO BECOME A RESELLER) having then to watch one’s ‘UW’ hooked partner become completely delusional in terms of possible/anticipated income promised by the motivational UW captains.

To see them then spend tieless hours compiling lists (Mostly friends and family) of would be customers and (WORST OF ALL) to cringe/shudder during social occasions, as they pick their moment to launch in to the dreaded ‘YAY! UTILITY WAREHOUSE’ pitch/mantra. Was (is) for me personally the pits!

Even after a couple of weeks of selling to everyone in our address book, the only customer my partner has signed up was me (Mr Wiggly would be on bread and butter otherwise) and I resent the fact that all I seem to hear about at home is how great UW are and how nice the friend is who introduced us.

NO THEY ARE NOT! Utility Warehouse has a couple of minor good points, one bill for all bills, 5% Sainsbury’s discount (Although that means pre-paying in advance), and some savings on Gas & Electricity (Although – I have seen some threads that argue against this) But in terms of generating an income as a resellor. It defiantly doesn’t warrant the countless hours selling a product that only provides you with this 'commission only' based income.

Lets look at that income

If you managed to sign up 100 people (A tough call coz people are resistant to change) you might make (If all the UW products were taken) around £7500 per anum.

Minus the tax (call it £2500)
Minus your costs (lets call that £1000)

So for a basic income of £4000 per year one would have to sign up at least 2 customers a week to receive this income. This return is for working Night and day, Attending motivational meetings and generally p*ssing all your partner, your friends and family off. (ITS NOT WORTH IT!) Wouldn’t you be better off working at Sainsburys for 3 months and take the other 9 off? The other thing is it is generally not very nice being a social leaper with people trying to avoid you!

Of course, there will be posters here (No doubt on the UW Motivational team) who will argue.

Ahhh! But if you get resellers working for you and getting some of that commission (Isn’t that part of a pyramid scheme by the way?)

Ahhh! But that is year one, in year two you may have 200 customers! (So you would make 8K per anum – Wow!)

Ahhh! If you sign up X amount of resellers and they achieve X amount of customers you will get a free car (Possible, but in most cases my arse!)

Ahhh! As a result of my involvement in UW, I have a swimming pool and some young blond chick sitting on my c**K (Your either at the top of the pyramid, a compulsive liar or a Dreamer – Get real)

My advice to anyone who is thinking about becoming a reseller is DON’T! If tempted read the wikipedia thread on pyramid sales where they state that No matter how large the model becomes before collapse, approximately 88% of all people will lose!

Go to Google and type Wikipedia Pyramid_scheme

At least on Wikipedia members of the UW team will have a hard time posting and retaining bogus dummy posts on How great they are or how they have generated enough income to have a swimming pool retire

If this post makes at least one person think twice before parting with their money. It will have been worth the while writing it

Thanks

 

[cheaputils]

I have no delusions about the Utility Warehouse being a get rich quick scheme (you seem to want it to be though), and I don't base my life around it like some do. I joined up because it added extra interest/business knowledge in an area I was interested in. As I say, I was a customer first and got enough out of it to realise that it was a good product. I have a day job, and other interests too, so it was never going to dominate my life.

The psychology of selling is the reason why most don't excel at the business. You don't have to hard sell it at all. What you need to do is let people make up their own minds. Family and friends as customers will only just get you started. After that you need to move outside that comfort zone and take it elsewhere. You say £4,000 isn't a lot, but I make that £75+ per week, which isn't too bad as pocket money. I personally earn more than that from Google Adsense, but adding the two together is a nice addition to my income every week.

It sounds like your basic problem is you don't know how to sell it and you have a major bee in your bonnet with the business model. There aren't too many other opportunities out there with the potential of this one for £200, which by the way is only designed to encourage you to replicate and show others how to do the same.

If you want instant riches, look elsewhere, but if you want to be in a position 5 years down the line where you can have a decent second income, it's a good option. If you've given up after less than a year then you were never cut out for it anyway IMO.

 

[adventurelife]

There aren't too many other opportunities out there with the potential of this one for £200, which by the way is only designed to encourage you to replicate and show others how to do the same.

You live in a period of time when the opportunity to make money large or small has never been so great.

Opportunities are everywhere and the ones you develop yourself with payback the most both in terms of £ and in satisfaction.

These schemes good or bad and I tend to class them all as the latter will always get bad press because the underlying business model does not sit well with many people.

For those that really do want to save money on utilities etc, the internet is a great tool!

 

[UW_widow]

I have no delusions about the Utility Warehouse being a get rich quick scheme (you seem to want it to be though), and I don't base my life around it like some do. I joined up because it added extra interest/business knowledge in an area I was interested in. As I say, I was a customer first and got enough out of it to realise that it was a good product. I have a day job, and other interests too, so it was never going to dominate my life.

The psychology of selling is the reason why most don't excel at the business. You don't have to hard sell it at all. What you need to do is let people make up their own minds. Family and friends as customers will only just get you started. After that you need to move outside that comfort zone and take it elsewhere. You say £4,000 isn't a lot, but I make that £75+ per week, which isn't too bad as pocket money. I personally earn more than that from Google Adsense, but adding the two together is a nice addition to my income every week.

It sounds like your basic problem is you don't know how to sell it and you have a major bee in your bonnet with the business model. There aren't too many other opportunities out there with the potential of this one for £200, which by the way is only designed to encourage you to replicate and show others how to do the same.

If you want instant riches, look elsewhere, but if you want to be in a position 5 years down the line where you can have a decent second income, it's a good option. If you've given up after less than a year then you were never cut out for it anyway IMO.

Cheaputils

Prior to firing from the hip with the all too common (& anticipated) Utility Warehouse mantra. I would suggest you read my post again.

My beef, is about seeing my (good natured but slightly gullible) partner. Being sucked in to this (almost) Evangelistical 'selling marketing' cult. Watching it consume her topic of conversation and seeing our friends who have little interest groan when ever UW is mentioned.

You say you make £75 per week! Excellent! Bravo! WAHOO! Like my partner I anticipate that since you took up this little project, you too have become dull as ditch water, spouting robotic UW statistics and constantly working out a new way to sign up resellers (The gullible) or customers.



Soft sell you say? For me - no sell please. My sincerest hope is that my partner is one of those people (who you at UW frown upon) and who isn’t cut out for long run (i.e - sees the light) dropping out with post haste!

Bravo Adventurelife - I agree with you 100%

 

[cheaputils]

You live in a period of time when the opportunity to make money large or small has never been so great.

Opportunities are everywhere and the ones you develop yourself with payback the most both in terms of £ and in satisfaction.

These schemes good or bad and I tend to class them all as the latter will always get bad press because the underlying business model does not sit well with many people.

For those that really do want to save money on utilities etc, the internet is a great tool!

Quite true. As with all businesses, if your heart isn't really in it, or if you don't believe in a product, how can you hope to sell it? The business model works very well for Telecom plus. Just look at their results for the last couple of years. Looking at the list of success that distributors are having, it obviously works for them too, or they wouldn't be on that list. Those who have just started out, who expect an instant overnight fortune will be disappointed, and will probably fail, or give up, but there you go, there'll always be some.

My golden rule is - don't put all your eggs in one basket.