Use of Identity-Related Terms in Recruitment Discussions

[memphisshades]

as has already been posted: what was the context and have you spoken to CIPD?

The context is important. Was it for example banter in a pub or during formal discussions regarding a contract?

It was a conversation on the phone

 

[memphisshades]

What do you think?

What do you think?

No

 

[memphisshades]

I get called a sheep shagger your don't hear me moaning

Do you get called this by a CIPD member?

 

[fisicx]

It was a conversation on the phone

Between who? And for what reason?

 

[memphisshades]

Between a HR representative of a financial employer and a director of a company that provided services to that company

 

[Newchodge]

It was a conversation on the phone

Perhaps you should check the meaning of the word context?

 

[memphisshades]

Perhaps you should check the meaning of the word context?

I did not think you were interested

 

[Newchodge]

I did not think you were interested

Unfortunately, as a moderator, I have to read this garbage content.

 

[memphisshades]

Unfortunately, as a moderator, I have to read this garbage content.

Do you think it might help if you were to read the CIPD code of conduct and then comment. Would that improve the quality of the content and thread and make for a much better forum?

 

[Newchodge]

Do you think it might help if you were to read the CIPD code of conduct and then comment. Would that improve the quality of the content and thread and make for a much better forum?

No.

 

[memphisshades]

No.

If you were engaging in conversation, discussion and business with a CIPD member would you expect them to adhere to their code of conduct?

 

[fisicx]

Do you think it might help if you were to read the CIPD code of conduct and then comment. Would that improve the quality of the content and thread and make for a much better forum?

Nope. You are not providing any useful context so no meaningful answer can be provided.

All we know is there was a telephone conversation between two people that cannot be corroborated which means there is no viable case to answer.

I’m assuming you are the white single owner of this business?

 

[memphisshades]

Nope. You are not providing any useful context so no meaningful answer can be provided.

All we know is there was a telephone conversation between two people that cannot be corroborated which means there is no viable case to answer.

I’m assuming you are the white single owner of this business?

There is a CIPD code of conduct. A CIPD member must adhere to that code of conduct. "If" a CIPD member referred to the other person as a "white male" and referred to their business as "one man band" is this according to the code appropriate?

 

[Mark T Jones]

Do you think it might help if you were to read the CIPD code of conduct and then comment. Would that improve the quality of the content and thread and make for a much better forum?

No

I think asking good questions, with proper context would improve the quality of the forum

 

[memphisshades]

No

I think asking good questions, with proper context would improve the quality of the forum

The context is irrelevant. There is a CIPD code of conduct. The code is key and the answer to my original question should be based on that alone.

 

[memphisshades]

What do you think?

NO

 

[fisicx]

There is a CIPD code of conduct. A CIPD member must adhere to that code of conduct. "If" a CIPD member referred to the other person as a "white male" and referred to their business as "one man band" is this according to the code appropriate?

You really don’t get it do you. What we think is irrelevant.

If you think they were wrong raise a complaint.

But nobody here is in agreement with you. Especially as you don’t tell the whole story.

 

[memphisshades]

What I think is irrelevant. I was politely asking the forum their thoughts based on the written code of conduct. If the forum believes that it is appropriate for a CIPD member to use language as described then that is that. Perhaps I was not sure that it was not against the CIPD members code of conduct.

 

[Newchodge]

What I think is irrelevant. I was politely asking the forum their thoughts based on the written code of conduct. If the forum believes that it is appropriate for a CIPD member to use language as described then that is that. Perhaps I was not sure that it was not against the CIPD members code of conduct.

I give up.

CONTEXT If the CIPD member said that it was inappropriate to refer to white men and one man bands, that comment would be approproate.

 

[memphisshades]

I give up.

CONTEXT If the CIPD member said that it was inappropriate to refer to white men and one man bands, that comment would be approproate.

A CIPD member is someone who belongs to the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) — a UK-based professional body for HR (Human Resources) and people development.

Being a member of CIPD means you're recognized as part of a respected community of HR and L&D (Learning & Development) professionals. Members have access to resources, training, networking, and professional recognition.

 

[Newchodge]

A CIPD member is someone who belongs to the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) — a UK-based professional body for HR (Human Resources) and people development.

Being a member of CIPD means you're recognized as part of a respected community of HR and L&D (Learning & Development) professionals. Members have access to resources, training, networking, and professional recognition.

So what?

 

[memphisshades]

So what?

If you were engaging in conversation, discussion and business with a CIPD member would you expect them to adhere to their code of conduct?

 

[Lucan Unlordly]

If you were engaging in conversation, discussion and business with a CIPD member would you expect them to adhere to their code of conduct?

I'll have a go......'in what context?'

 

[Mark T Jones]

You've clearly convinced yourself you are right, so why not take appropriate action?

Just for clarity:

- describing a pale-skinned male as a white man doesn't break any codes.

- describing a business operated by a sole male as a one man band doesn't break any codes.

I'd lay good money that, when you lodge your complaint, the first question that will arise to establish whether it was appropriate or not , will be 'what was the context?' If you don't answer, that will be an end to the matter.

 

[memphisshades]

I'll have a go......'in what context?'

1. If you were engaging in conversation, discussion and business with a CIPD member would you expect them to adhere to their code of conduct?
2. in what context would you not expect the CIPD to adhere to their code of conduct when conversing with you?

 

[memphisshades]

You've clearly convinced yourself you are right, so why not take appropriate action?

Just for clarity:

- describing a pale-skinned male as a white man doesn't break any codes.

- describing a business operated by a sole male as a one man band doesn't break any codes.

I'd lay good money that, when you lodge your complaint, the first question that will arise to establish whether it was appropriate or not , will be 'what was the context?' If you don't answer, that will be an end to the matter.

have you read the CIPD code of conduct?

 

[memphisshades]

I’d appreciate some clarity on language used in professional interactions. When a CIPD member refers to someone as a ‘white man’ and described their business as a ‘one-man band,’ does this align with the standards of respectful and inclusive communication promoted by CIPD as per their code of conduct

 

[fisicx]

In what context were the phrases used?

Eg: “is it a big company?” Reply: “No, it’s a one-man band”.

 

[memphisshades]

In what context were the phrases used?

Eg: “is it a big company?” Reply: “No, it’s a one-man band”.

I’m questioning whether referring to someone as a “white man” and describing their business as a “one-man band” aligns with the CIPD’s standards on inclusive and respectful communication. Common usage doesn’t override professional responsibility. I’m seeking clarity on whether this language meets the expectations set out in the Code of Conduct—not whether it’s colloquial.

 

[fisicx]

Yes it’s perfectly acceptable and is within the code of conduct.

 

[Newchodge]

I’m questioning whether referring to someone as a “white man” and describing their business as a “one-man band” aligns with the CIPD’s standards on inclusive and respectful communication. Common usage doesn’t override professional responsibility. I’m seeking clarity on whether this language meets the expectations set out in the Code of Conduct—not whether it’s colloquial.

Ask the CIPD. It's their code and their member.

 

[memphisshades]

Ask the CIPD. It's their code and their member.

Do *you* think it meets the expectations set out in the Code of Conduct?

 

[Mark T Jones]

have you read the CIPD code of conduct?

Yes. And there is precisely nothing that prohibits use of those terms.

 

[memphisshades]

Yes. And there is precisely nothing that prohibits use of those terms.

Is their use automatically aligned with the code?

 

[Newchodge]

Do *you* think it meets the expectations set out in the Code of Conduct?

I don't give a s**t

 

[memphisshades]

I don't give a s**t

Perhaps you should. Especially given your signature reads "Hodgson Employer Services, Employment Law Advice and Payroll Services"

 

[Newchodge]

Perhaps you should. Especially given your signature reads "Hodgson Employer Services, Employment Law Advice and Payroll Services"

I can only assume this is some weird psychological experiment to see how long a thread will continue when every responder gives the same or similar negative response which is completely ignored by the OP.

 

[memphisshades]

I didn't think you gave a s**t?

 

[fisicx]

Perhaps you should. Especially given your signature reads "Hodgson Employer Services, Employment Law Advice and Payroll Services"

Only if she is a member. Unlike other professions there is no requirement to be a CIPD member

 

[memphisshades]

Only if she is a member. Unlike other professions there is no requirement to be a CIPD member

One does not need to be an MP to have an interest in politics