The weakest link strategy

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  • #1
    Links for sites!

    I always get a bit bored during the winter months as my work is seasonal by nature.

    Anyway, I am thinking about building a website, or 2,.....or 3.

    Anyway, before I get started I was wondering if someone could help me out with a quick question.

    Forget about external links for the time being; if I have three sites, is it wise to link them all together in a big web, or is it better to link in a triangle only?
    (Site A links only to B, which links only to C, which links only to A)

    Also, if Site A has 200 highly relevant pages and they all link to Site B, then does Google see it as 200 good links, or just 1 link as they are all from the same site?

    Any thoughts?
     
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    Hmm.

    OK, but why not?

    I am reading stuff all the time that says links from relevant sites is the best way to increase the engine ranking and PR.

    If they are similar sites, and in the same industry then why not link them together. Seems to make sense to me, but I am only a mere baby on this topic.
     
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  • #6
    Matrixx said:
    DuaneJackson said:
    host them with 3 different companies.
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    Or different servers.

    Rob
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    It's better to be on totally different IP ranges not just servers :wink:

    That's why I source servers from different DC's in different countries - I have serveral clients who run SEO "campaigns" utilising all my servers because they are on different IP ranges.
     
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    Not sure what the current SEO thinking on this is (IMHO most SEO is pure speculation anyway!!)

    My advice would be to link the sites in the best way for your visitors, so if site A it talking about something that is covered on site B in detail, link it.

    So shut your mouth, how can you say I go about things the wrong way? I am human, and I need to be loved. Just like that guy called Top Hat does.
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    Have I upset you?
     
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  • #8
    Jayne said:
    Hi,

    I've been as why a lot :D You get that many diffent answers, you end up in more of a muddle than you did when you asked :lol:

    I think, have a go and if it doesn't work, do something else.

    Jayne
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    One of the problems with SEO is that it can take several months for any changes in the site / links to be reflected in the search engines.
     
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    Top Hat,

    No, I don't get upset.

    At the bottom of your profile you have a Smith's Lyric, which makes you sound miserable. And the picture you use only reinforces that view.

    I just wanted to add another Smith's lyric to let everyone know that you are not a sad bloke, just need a bit of lovin'.

    Cheer up mate

    :)

    Just me being silly, I will take it away if it upsets you.
     
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    Do we have any substantial proof to back any of these throeries?

    Or is it just SEO speculation?

    The reason I ask is this:

    Let's assume that Mattrix hosts 200 web sites owned by 200 different people hosted on one of his servers. Let's also assume that 20 of these sites are about fishing, and the 20 owners all meet up one day at a fishing match in Scotland. They sit down and start chatting about their sites and then one of them says, hey let's all link together and form a little community. "Great idea" they all think.

    Are we therefore saying that the little community they form will have no relevance and no value to Google or any other search engine simply because they are all hosted on the same server?

    And that to have any worth, they have to be hosted with different companies, on servers, in different countries on different IP ranges?

    The word "paranoid" springs to mind.

    :)

    JB
     
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  • #12
    Firstly I don't think that it's fair to call people who are trying to give you advice on a subject you don't clearly understand "PARANOID"...

    These "theories" have been put together by leading SEO experts and should be taken as part of the "SEO Bible" although they cannot be 100% proven. After all... You know the Earth is round but can YOU prove it?

    The theory behind the IP ranges is...

    Lets take your fishing club example... You could quite easily set this up to be an online fishing community linking between each other - but people soon clicked onto this ages ago... You could rent a reseller account for £15 / Month and host 20/30 websites on it, then link these website's to one another. You can created the example of the "fishing club" but with the intention of boosting rankings and NOT as a legitimate club.
    So it is *THOUGHT* (and has been proven I think) that links from a wide variety of IP ranges (and hence servers) holds more weight with the SE's because it implies that your site(s) have been linked to by websites accross the globe and hence they must have valuable content that all these global sites want to link to...

    Phew, I hope that makes some sense! :)
     
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  • #13
    Steady there Boy, go back to the top and read again.

    Agri-hire asked the question, not me!

    No-one is giving the advice to me, I am simply chipping in with my own thoughts.

    Your 'round earth' argument is a bit weak, being as it is a proven fact that the earth is round, where as SEO seems to be just theoretical.

    I have nothing against people putting forward a theory, just as you should have nothing against me challenging it.

    The more debate we have on the subject the more we learn.

    So to continue this debate, go to http://search.msn.co.uk and type in a search for 'Russian translation'.

    The second site (below the sponsored pages) is 1st-russian-translation.co.uk

    That is one of my sites.

    Now a quick check on the backlinks shows that it has 10 inbound links, and you will notice that they are all internal ones, from the same site, on the same IP address, same server, same mum and dad, same underpants, etc

    If I can get 10 internal links to my own site, from my own site, as being relevant, and be no. 2 on an msn search, then the above theory needs a bit more explanation to me.

    :wink:

    JB
     
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    DuaneJackson

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  • #14
    The IP comments are with reference to the Google algorithm, not MSN. You can't use results from MSN to prove a point about Google.

    My KashFlow site is #1 on MSN for small business accounting software, but nowhere to be seen on Google for the same term.

    It is all speculation and inferrence - but from real world observations. So wether the actual details are correct matters not.

    It's like the Google sandbox. It doesn't matter of there really is a sand box or not. What matters is that the behaviour is as if there is a sand box
     
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  • #15
    Duane,

    The IP comments are with reference to the Google algorithm, not MSN.
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    Are they? Where was that pointed out? I can't read anywhere above where anyone said 'this is true for Google only'.

    :)

    With regards to my point I said;

    Google or any other search engine
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    Let's go back to the beginning; the question was about the best way to link sites together, not the best way to link for Google optimization.

    Like you said;

    Ask 10 different SEO experts this and I suspect you'll get 10 different opinions.
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    I am not an SEO expert, but that doesn't mean I can't question the theories behind it.

    :)

    Keep smiling

    JB
     
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  • #17
    You will just have to take my & others word for it that links from different IP ranges are worth more than link from the same server...

    MSN is a very strange SE - When I first built my website and submitted it to MSN it hit No1 for uk web hosting, for about 6 hours! Then disappeared :?:
    The Algo that MSN uses is something of a law unto itself - but the majority of SEO talk uses Google simply because it is the biggest and most widely used SE on the internet...

    If you want me to supply various papers and articles on IP ranges and SEO then i can - but you have to believe what's written in them! :D
    Don't forget that there are people who spend thousands and thousands on SEO and SE advertising, employing people to make sense of it all!

    Oh and I appologise for not reading / following the thread corerctly :wink:
     
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    TWD-Tony said:
    You will just have to take my & others word for it that links from different IP ranges are worth more than link from the same server
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    My understanding also. Again, I worrie that so much energy gets put into the best way of linking sites I think people can be in danger of taking their eye of the ball (the content ball)

    I've been reading that Google is now focusing on sites that have many back links and down ranking them (again unproven IMO) but you could go mad just trying to keep up with all this stuff.
     
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    DuaneJackson

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    multilingual said:
    Duane,

    The IP comments are with reference to the Google algorithm, not MSN.
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    Are they? Where was that pointed out? I can't read anywhere above where anyone said 'this is true for Google only'.
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    They are. I can't read anywhere above where I said "as pointed out above" ;-p

    I'm pointing it out in the post you quoted for clarity, not to re-iterate anything that's already been said.
     
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  • #20
    This subject has just been brought up on another Forum (nothing to do with me I may add...)
    The answer given by someone who actually knows what they are talking about re:SEO is:

    "Google have a couple of patents, going back as far as 2001, which specifically mention devaluation of links across the same C-class IP range.

    It is believed that one of the major changes introduced to the Florida update of Nov 2003 - possibly the biggest Google update to hit webmasters - was this form of devaluation.

    Therefore where a link building strategy is of concern, you need to ensure those links are built on very different IP ranges - ie, C-class, aka. /24 IP ranges, to help ensure your links avoid this devaluation.

    In other words - hosting two sites on the same server and linking one to the other is likely to be of little worth to Google."

    I hope that clears it up :wink:
     
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  • #21
    Thanks for that.

    :)

    That's exactly what I needed to know. I just feel uncomfortable with listening to a theory because you never know whether it is based on fact or heresay.

    Give me some substantiated facts to back things up and my brain works just fine.

    It's all that "ten experts give ten different opinions" stuff that just makes my eyes roll.

    Cheers all.

    I like these interesting threads!

    oh, one last thing....internal links must also be a complete waste of time then being as they are hosted on the same ip?

    :wink:

    JB
     
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  • #22
    Hello....

    Sorry for interupting, but this thread was started by me and if it's not too much trouble I would still like to know the answer to my second question:

    If I have a 200 page site linking to another site of mine (yes ok, on different servers, one in Doncaster and the other in Zaire) then does Google see them as 200 good links or just 1 as they originate from the same site?

    If you have time that is.....

    :wink: :wink: :wink:
     
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  • #23
    Agri-Hire said:
    Hello....

    Sorry for interupting, but this thread was started by me and if it's not too much trouble I would still like to know the answer to my second question:

    If I have a 200 page site linking to another site of mine (yes ok, on different servers, one in Doncaster and the other in Zaire) then does Google see them as 200 good links or just 1 as they originate from the same site?

    If you have time that is.....

    :wink: :wink: :wink:
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    AH! - Sarcasm, my favourite forum weapon :lol:

    As for your second question - I *THINK* that the SE's will see all 200 links as "one source" although all 200 links will be indexed.
     
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