The MP's 10%

[Deleted member 226268]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33552499


Pay rise ......has been approved despite Downing Street and a succession of MPs saying it was "Not Appropriate"

.......Really, how spiffingly magnanimous of them.

BUT WE WILL TAKE IT ANYWAY.

STUFF YOU minions living out there on the streets.

How much does an MP actually trouser in cash every month after this pay rise ??????


That's 10% of £ 67,000........not 10% of £ 15,000 a year for the common and garden Plebeians
working in supermarkets and most other jobs..

WHAT work EXACTLY does an MP actually DO ?......... to justify their £ 67.000 a year ????

What work do they actually DO, that cannot be done by someone from middle management
of a manufacturing company, and to do the exact same MP's job for £ 30,000 a year.
And no Expenses to fiddle.


There must be thousands of willing applicants waiting for the role.
At least the middle management people will have practical hands-on working experience in at least something.

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An Independent pay Body.

Another cynical little scam where MP's pay and future pay rises are regulated
by an ....." Independent Body ".


A Cleverly designed wheeze to take the heat off the MP's about their disgusting pay rises.
Where-by the MP's can now blame the Independent pay body system that is FORCING
them to take the pay increase.

Any MP's actually refused to accept the pay rise yet ? ....... Thought not.


"He said the pay rise would not cost any money" ........... Remember that.


Nobody seems to have mentioned the back-door increase in their Pensions allowance ????
Strange.

We are all being treated as a bunch of Dumb Suckers ......... Unfortunately because we are.
No one complains.

Remember .... The AUSTERITY CRISIS ....... " We are all in this together "

Miss your Council Tax payment for one week, and see what happens.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33552499

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[tan_lan]

MP's do not see themselves as in the same class as everyone else, hence 1% for you 10% for them.

 

[sirearl]

I am afraid MP's pay is a tiny part of the graft and corruption in the UK.

The British have a long history of subservience and hero worship concerning authority.figures.

How else could the British Empire have been built.

 

[tan_lan]

How else could the British Empire have been built.

Violence.

 

[smallclaimsassistance]

Be fair now. The man wrote a letter!

' "We're writing a letter to IPSA to reiterate we stand by the detailed submission we had already made to them last year saying we think this rise is wrong," a Downing Street source said.'

What more can the man do? He fought like a wild animal, every painful step of the way. Blood, sweat, tears - some unconfirmed sources say he used up 2 sheets of paper and a 1/4 of a fountain pen cartridge! Seriously, what more can the man do?

He did the decent thing. What self respecting British Prime Minister, one of the most powerful men in the western world, could do more (maybe not do a u-turn and say they deserve it after just announcing the closure of 91 courts, and a 1% cap on public sector salaries)?

Oh, and what is the secret of a true politician:

Timing (funny he didn't say this before the election....).

 

[tan_lan]

It was MP's who created the IPSA to make it look independant, so its all just a piss take.

 

[sirearl]

It was MP's who created the IPSA to make it look independant, so its all just a piss take.

More so if you look at the members of the IPSA.

 

[tan_lan]

This is a very bizarre thread.

Unlike the usual decent into pointless argument most conversations on this forum take, in this case everyone agrees!

And as each post is made a greater consensus is reached.

 

[Deleted member 226268]

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How they are struggling to survive ..........


The junior Foreign Office minister receives a £20,000 bonus for his front bench role on top of his £67,060 MP's salary - and claimed more than £55,000 in expenses last year.

I never expected to be watching the pennies at my age and yet this is what I now have to do
- Tobias Ellwood MP

NormanMiles7 hours ago
He possibly slipped this in to hide the fact the MP`s had awarded themselves a 25% pension increase..

A 25% Pension increase ?


http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ise-long-overdue-watch-pennies-westminster-uk

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[MikeJ]

25%?

Really?

Not heard that anywhere. In fact the 10% salary increase was in part justified by a drop in pension

 

[Deleted member 226268]

25%?

Really?

Not heard that anywhere. In fact the 10% salary increase was in part justified by a drop in pension

But Mr Ralfe told the Financial Times the House of Commons pension scheme is likely to cost the taxpayer millions more than expected because pension contributions will increase with the pay rise.

Remember ...... We are all in this together.
The Austerity Crisis..... not for some.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3167686/Pay-rise-boosts-MP-pensions-50-000.html

 

[MikeJ]

But you said 25%? Did you just make up a number?

Anyone would think you worked for the Daily Mail.

 

[Deleted member 226268]

But you said 25%? Did you just make up a number?

Anyone would think you worked for the Daily Mail.

Work for the Daily Mail miss-information rag ? Noooooo !

The %25 pension figure was taken from a quote in the public feedback column below the main article
by one Norman Miles, I expect that he had read that figure from somewhere else.

 

[barrov]

Why don't the MP's who are on record as saying that they didn't want this pay rise, donate the extra 10% pay to charity?

Perhaps this should be suggested to them as I don't see an easy way for them to think up a decent reason as to why they aren't doing just that...

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Why don't the MP's who are on record as saying that they didn't want this pay rise, donate the extra 10% pay to charity?

Perhaps this should be suggested to them as I don't see an easy way for them to think up a decent reason as to why they aren't doing just that...

They have to pay more tax on the higher salary, so they would end up making less money than they originally did before the 10% increase.

I'm not so sure about MPs salaries, but I think the Prime Minister's salary is fairly reasonable. £142,500 per year to run an entire country of 64million people with a job of immeasurable responsibility which is likely to take up almost every waking hour you have available.

This is whilst many bankers and CEOs of companies make millions, and even many department managers of large businesses probably make more than the PM does.

It's not just the UK, either. Barack Obama makes about £260,000 per year as the leader of the world's most powerful country.

There are probably a few people on UKBF who make more than the President of the United States does.

 

[barrov]

They have to pay more tax on the higher salary, so they would end up making less money than they originally did before the 10% increase.

Hi Scott,

they won't earn less after the 10% increase because although they will pay more tax, their take home pay will still be higher than it was before. The MP's who are on record as being outraged at receiving this pay rise could donate this extra take home pay to charity if they wanted to prove their integrity.

I completely agree with you with regard to the PM and President's salaries. I actually don't think that MP's salaries are outrageous either, considering the power they have to steer the direction of the entire country, I just don't like the way some of them publicly feign injury at a pay rise awarded to them and then quietly pocket the extra cash once the spotlight has moved on.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Hi Scott,

they won't earn less after the 10% increase because although they will pay more tax, their take home pay will still be higher than it was before. The MP's who are on record as being outraged at receiving this pay rise could donate this extra take home pay to charity if they wanted to prove their integrity.

Their take home pay will be higher, but in donating the 10% to charity, they would ultimately end up with less disposable income than they had before.

If we say that tax is 30% on all earnings to keep the calculation simple:

30% of £67000
£20100 tax
£46900 salary

30% of £74000
£22200 tax
£51800 salary
minus the original 10% rise (£7000) to charity
£44800 salary

They're paying more tax on higher earnings but then giving away the pre-tax 10% increase from their post-tax salary, so the salary doesn't just stay the same - it drops.

That being said, I think the IPSA has a give-as-you-earn program in place where they donate the money to charity before tax but after NI. Not sure if anyone has signed up to it yet though. Plus, some MPs have pledged to donate the rise, so they may or may not be doing it privately (more than likely not though, I imagine).

Anyway, it's interesting to note that MPs are actually some of the lowest paid parliamentary representatives out of many highly developed nations:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gen...d-which-country-has-the-highest-paid-MPs.html

Our MPs, at least until recently, were paid less than the MPs in Italy, Australia, United States, Canada, Norway, Ireland, Germany, New Zealand and Sweden.

They're also paid less than the public sector average of £85.5k and less than a senior civil servant even after the pay rise.

One thing MPs definitely should be reigned in on is expenses, as the rules surrounding those seem to be far too lax and effectively raise the amount tax payers are paying for MPs substantially.

 

[Deleted member 226268]

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Our MPs, at least until recently, were paid less than the MPs in Italy, Australia, United States, Canada, Norway, Ireland, Germany, New Zealand and Sweden.

They're also paid less than the public sector average of £85.5k and less than a senior civil servant even after the pay rise.

Maybe they are the lowest paid throughout Europe, but even so,
What do they actually DO to justify this £ 74,000 a year ?.
Plus the hidden income from their cleverly concealed levels of expenses and fiddles.

When was the last time you actually needed to see your own MP ?

What do MP's DO, that any bright 20 year old could not do ?
Who would be quite happy to DO for £ 20,000 a year, and also feel lucky that he has finally found a job.
Will save us all a lot of money.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...onomic-recovery-expenses-watchdog-claims.html

What economic recovery ??? >>>>>>>>
Perhaps an MP could point to just one example.....

http://www.theguardian.com/business...ooks-to-rise-from-ashes-after-steelworks-blow

Those ephemeral Green Shoots of recovery seem to be spotted every year by eagle-eyed MP's, but nothing ever grows....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...green-shoots-as-growth-thought-to-double.html


Thought to double ........ by who ?

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[Scott-Copywriter]

Maybe they are the lowest paid throughout Europe, but even so,
What do they actually DO to justify this £ 74,000 a year ?.
Plus the hidden income from their cleverly concealed levels of expenses and fiddles.

When was the last time you actually needed to see your own MP ?

What do MP's DO, that any bright 20 year old could not do ?
Who would be quite happy to DO for £ 20,000 a year, and also feel lucky that he has finally found a job.
Will save us all a lot of money.

They work between their constituency and Parliament. That's why some of them get an expenses allowance towards a London property, as they spend a few days per week in their constituency, and a few days per week in London to attend Parliament.

In Parliament, they sit on the benches during debates, ask questions to the opposition and generally try to fight for the interests of the people in their constituency. For example, in the North East where I live, the MPs of this region frequently raise the issue in Parliament of the impact austerity is having in the area.

MPs also vote on laws and legislation, either by joining their party's preference, abstaining, or even voting along with the opposition party. This requires good knowledge and a strong opinion of how the laws will affect their constituency and the UK as a whole. Every new law, even the more mundane laws which don't reach the press, need to be scrutinised and voted on by each MP.

In their constituency, they attend meetings and community events, and hold open days where constituents can come in and raise issues. They also have to go through a lot of letters and e-mails from constituents making points, and then take these issues to Parliament to try and raise attention to them. Despite many people never meeting their MP, there are a lot of people who do choose to correspond with them in this way.

All in all, it's quite an important job with a lot of responsibility, as they hold a key vote on legislation which can have a considerable impact on the UK and their own constituency.

Considering MPs have to do all of this, and do it well, whilst repeatedly travelling between their constituency and London, I highly doubt many people would want to do it for £20k per year.

Most 20 year olds would also be completely out of their depth. There is actually one 20 year old MP: SNP's Mhairi Black. Here's her maiden speech which is well worth watching:

Might I also add that these MPs only receive their jobs when they are elected by their constituents, so they have to go through the rigmarole of an election campaign. Which bright, intellectual 20 year olds would bother doing all of that for £20k per year along with the task of frequently travelling between their home and London which may be hundreds of miles apart?

 

[Deleted member 226268]

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Excellent answer !!!!

So what the hell do the Lords ACTUALLY DO ? !!!!

Apart from collecting £ 200 every time they pass go ?
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[sirearl]

What people earn and what they get paid are not necessarily connected.

The higher the rung the less connected.

A huge amount is unearned income in the UK.

Interesting perspective.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/transformation/andrew-sayer/is-unearned-income-acceptable

 

[barrov]

Their take home pay will be higher, but in donating the 10% to charity, they would ultimately end up with less disposable income than they had before.

If we say that tax is 30% on all earnings to keep the calculation simple:

30% of £67000
£20100 tax
£46900 salary

30% of £74000
£22200 tax
£51800 salary
minus the original 10% rise (£7000) to charity
£44800 salary

They're paying more tax on higher earnings but then giving away the pre-tax 10% increase from their post-tax salary, so the salary doesn't just stay the same - it drops.

I understand perfectly the relationship between pre and post tax pay. I was specifically referring to take home pay:

Take-home pay
noun

1. the pay received by an employee after the deduction of taxes and other obligations.

I was suggesting that they could donate the extra money they recieved after tax.