The code for seo'ing images??????

[MASSEY]

If this is my image code,

<Img src="electrician.png"/>

what is the easiest code to add a title and alt to it?

All the files sit in a wwrootmaster I think it's called,

Cheers nick,

 

[RoyaleGraphics]

<img src="" alt=""/>

Is this what you mean?

 

[fisicx]

If you really want to go the whole hog:

<img src="image.jpg" alt="An image" title="click here" width="NNNpx" height="NNNpx" longdesc="this is an image of something or another">

You can also add an style class/id if that what get you excited.

The 'title' attribute is only really relevant if the image is clickable.

The images can go anywhere you like. It's normal (and good practise) to put them all in an 'image' or 'assets' folder, The source then becomes: src="images/image.jpg"

 

[MASSEY]

<img src="" alt=""/>

Is this what you mean?

Hi, yes but also to include a title also, can the image and the alt and title be in one tag structure?

I think u put the title in if it doesn't load in a browser or is the alt alone ok, the alt is where a keyword appears when it's moused over if I am correct?

 

[MASSEY]

If you really want to go the whole hog:

<img src="image.jpg" alt="An image" title="click here" width="NNNpx" height="NNNpx" longdesc="this is an image of something or another">

You can also add an style class/id if that what get you excited.

The 'title' attribute is only really relevant if the image is clickable.

The images can go anywhere you like. It's normal (and good practise) to put them all in an 'image' or 'assets' folder, The source then becomes: src="images/image.jpg"

Haha, I'll give it a try when I get in , thanks graham

 

[Faevilangel]

<a href="index.html"><img src="./images/image1.png" alt="some text for alt text" title="the title text" longdesc=" long description" /></a>

You can also add a caption below the image as well to include more seo-ability

 

[cmcp]

Make your alt text short and succinct. It is for users who can't see the image, make it descriptive without wasting words.

Don't say "Image of..." for anything, just describe what the image shows. for example don't say "Image of girl holding red balloons" say "Girl holding red balloons".

The former would be read out by a screen reader as "Image Image of girl holding red balloons".

Keep all presentational images in the CSS too.

 

[FireFleur]

The longdesc attribute should contain a URL that is associated with a long description. So, something like:

<img
longdesc = "image-description.htm"
>

The title attribute does not indicate clickable, it is for advisory text, and is normally rendered as a tooltip.

Referencing the images via CSS as opposed to directly in the markup will generally make it harder for those images to be indexed in Google image search, and they will tend to render last, so it can be a desired or undesirable effect depending upon what you are looking to achieve.

 

[Faevilangel]

The title attribute does not indicate clickable, it is for advisory text, and is normally rendered as a tooltip.

Referencing the images via CSS as opposed to directly in the markup will generally make it harder for those images to be indexed in Google image search, and they will tend to render last, so it can be a desired or undesirable effect depending upon what you are looking to achieve.

1) Yup exactly, I used the title for a non-clickable images as I used jquery to tooltip them. It shows information about the image and can help the seo.
2) The only images I reference in the css is the backgrounds. Any other image is added via xhtml.

 

[cmcp]

All content images should be kept in the markup, all presentational should be referenced via CSS.

 

[FireFleur]

Backgrounds make sense generally to be referenced in the CSS, unless you have a background that you want indexed, and there you could use z-index but it is not as bullet proof.

Some are now using CSS to create icon lists, I think Yahoo is a notable one who does this. And whilst it is possible, it can change the render of the page and tends to make the icons less likely to be indexed.

If you are using XHTML, then you should be sending a mime type with the document, and IE 6 has a problem with XHTML which generally means you have to switch the MimeType to HTML for that browser. If you are looking to create a working site, then HTML 4.01 is the better bet at the moment.

 

[cmcp]

What do you mean icon lists? CSS sprites? Wonderful development. And only 1 http request.

Reference for web content: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#text-equiv (Decoration, formatting, invisible).

 

[fisicx]

The title attribute does not indicate clickable, it is for advisory text, and is normally rendered as a tooltip.

Indeed, my mistook.

However, you can often go overboard with markup. All these jquery, css images and icons sets and whatever are all very nice but the aim is to create a usable site that works. If the code is a little wonky or you have a header image in the html rather than the CSS does it really matter?

 

[cmcp]

I'm not sure what going overboard means.

the aim is to create a usable site that works.

For whom? If building clean markup correctly in the first place enables everyone to read the screen (via audio or visual browser) surely that's the preferred method. It is for me anyway.

 

[FireFleur]

I rate title as an attribute, as it helps to give context to different elements, it is an attribute that is available in nearly all the tags not just image.

Personally I prefer more use of the DOM, but it is not very SEO friendly which is a shame, it would require the search engines to be very explicit on how they siphon the context, and generally they would need to run the javascript, which is problematic on a security and overhead front.

As far as sliding backgrounds go, they are hardly a new idea, but they are not very good when you need to maintain a site, and they add to abstraction which again is not very SEO or context friendly. Not sure how well they handle scaling as well.

They can be used to reduce connection overhead, so if that is a valid concern then it is applicable, Yahoo get a lot of visitors, and they don't really need their icons indexed either I would guess.

longdesc isn't really used by the main browsers, but it could be used by the search engines, so if that is the 'wonky' code then yes it could have an effect.

Referencing more from the CSS that you don't want indexed tends to improve SEO for those things you do want indexed and are referenced in the markup. The markup objects have more weight, primarily because they are more accessible.

 

[FireFleur]

If you really want to reduce number of connections there is the data URL format which allows the embedding of image information directly:

<img
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>

Which can be done in a Style Definitions and JavaScript DOM as well.

Lots of tricks for performance and how data is represented, but when it
comes to SEO the more explicit the better generally.

 

[cmcp]

What a bizarre fact.

 

[FireFleur]

It is not that bizarre, because you can introduce the images to the DOM or a separate style sheet, as they are embedded there is minimal connection just the style sheet or JavaScript file, no image files at all to download.

And they are distinct objects, whereas in 'the slide the background image around approach' you have one more connection, and one blob, which makes it harder to use the separate objects, it is easier to combine than it is to separate out.

Placing it in the markup is probably not advised because there won't be a cache advantage over multiple pages unless a frame is used.

 

[cmcp]

Could you work with that? It's unmanageable! Not to mention not rendering correctly in major browsers.

If you keep presentational images to the CSS you're getting them cached, and keeping the markup clean as recommended by W3C. (but we know you're a maverick when it comes to them )

 

[FireFleur]

Yes, you can work with that if you have to, folds in editors or insert them via the template system.

So you can have a raw image and then just

<Esc>!!base64 raw-image.png

to dump the data in the editor, then fold her up.

Or:


[%-
PROCESS base64.tt
img_file = "raw-image.png"
-%]

And just template it in.

Are you building pages separatley, and using copy and paste?

 

[FireFleur]

If you keep presentational images to the CSS you're getting them cached, and keeping the markup clean as recommended by W3C. (but we know you're a maverick when it comes to them )

But not in render, that's why I used that term, those large images clipped to viewport are still multiple large images.


And when it comes to W3C most of my pages are error free and compliant, but I cannot help but notice, this holding page is currently not, perhaps some ironic humour


http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0


Perhaps the author of that page, might wish to consider their own maverick position

 

[cmcp]

If I thought the author would care I'd have let him know myself - for the time being I think they just appreciate the favour, being spidered!

What poor chat! From irrelevant know all examples to a misguided cheap attempt at humour. Oh FireFleur

 

[MASSEY]

If I thought the author would care I'd have let him know myself - for the time being I think they just appreciate the favour, being spidered!

What poor chat! From irrelevant know all examples to a misguided cheap attempt at humour. Oh FireFleur

Being spidered is indeed my goal, thankyou all for your contributions it made insightful reading.

 

[cmcp]

Best of luck Massey

Admittedly SEO is not a top priority for me, but I believe if you make it accessible and usable, you can build SEO on top of that.

 

[FireFleur]

What poor chat! From irrelevant know all examples to a misguided cheap attempt at humour. Oh FireFleur

The examples I gave were relevant.


And you do talk very sanctimoniously CMCP, but the examples you give don't bear out. One moment you are worried about clean code, but happy to 'promote' a web page that is not coded cleanly, the next you are worried about number of http connections, and when you are shown a method that reduces it further whilst keeping context you dismiss it as irrelvant.



I just find it annoying a bit, it comes over as hypocrisy and lack of real world knowledge.

 

[cmcp]

Yeah, I'll add data URI images to my todo list tomorrow. Right after I've converted my layouts back to tables

 

[FireFleur]

I prefer it when you put a bit of humour in there

The base64 encoding is being used where mobile phones are the target, trying to squeeze out every last bit of performance.

The problem with adhering to a rigid doctrine is you will end up doing it at the cost of flexibility. Each project is different and has different criteria to fulfill, so you can only use the doctrine as a rule of thumb, and you have to be willing to ditch it when it is appropriate to achieve the desired effect.

There is no one size that fits all, so best to be agnostic and look into many different techniques.

In this instance it is SEO, so title is important, longdesc could be (that made me think). Putting images that are not to be indexed referenced from the CSS is appropriate, but not the doctrine of presentation into the CSS, which is ambiguous in this context, though it would get about 90% of the desired effect.

The doctrine sort of works, but it is not the best thing to do in every scenario, that is the subtelty.

When people say 'everything looks like a nail to a man with a hammer', that's the problem of the doctrine. And, yes that can also be said of using tables over other methods, which is why I don't advocate tables as the best solution for everything either. Different criteria lends itself to different solutions.