Store on my wordpress site

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    Hi there,

    I currently have a word press website which gives information on my services as well as contact details and reviews.

    Looking to expand and have a store on my website which lists the stock I currently have an option to purchase (even if it's a link to my ebay store).

    I have "Services, Reviews, About" etc at the top of the website and would like to add a "Store" tab.

    Can you recommend any good wordpress plugins for this?

    Many thanks
     
    Woocommerce is free and extremely flexible. All you need is a payment gateway like PayPal or Stripe.

    Did you build the site yourself?

    The only fee you'll pay is a transaction fee from PayPal or Stripe. So if you wanted to avoid eBay fees, you can direct buyers to your website rather than eBay. Doesn't mean give up eBay but if you use Social Media, you can link posts and the pages direct to your store.
     
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    Agree with woocommerce. Might also be worth making the shop a subdomain. That way you can keep it separate to the service part of the business. It also means you can install a dedicated store theme if you want

    Setting everything up doesn’t take long. There zillions of tutorials.
     
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    Woocommerce is free and extremely flexible. All you need is a payment gateway like PayPal or Stripe.

    Did you build the site yourself?

    The only fee you'll pay is a transaction fee from PayPal or Stripe. So if you wanted to avoid eBay fees, you can direct buyers to your website rather than eBay. Doesn't mean give up eBay but if you use Social Media, you can link posts and the pages direct to your store.

    Yes I do build/edit it myself.

    Will look into Woocommerce but I do only want it to apply to the "store" page and not the other pages such as "Reviews", "Services" etc
     
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    Yes I do build/edit it myself.

    Will look into Woocommerce but I do only want it to apply to the "store" page and not the other pages such as "Reviews", "Services" etc
    Woocommerce is completely independent to the rest of your site pages.

    Don't get confused between the Woocommerce.com platform and the Wordpress.org Woocommerce plugin.

    They are two different things. You just need the free Woocommerce plugin.
     
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    Yes I do build/edit it myself.

    Will look into Woocommerce but I do only want it to apply to the "store" page and not the other pages such as "Reviews", "Services" etc
    Which is why you put the store on a sub-domain.
     
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    You don't need a page builder to create a shop. All you need is the woo template added to your theme.

    The reason for a subdomain is so you can market the two sides of the business independently from each other. They would be linked together but not be part of each other.

    Maybe @Tigris could give us an idea of their business and what they plan to sell. The advice on how to proceed may then be better.
     
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    You don't need a page builder to create a shop. All you need is the woo template added to your theme.

    The reason for a subdomain is so you can market the two sides of the business independently from each other. They would be linked together but not be part of each other.

    Maybe @Tigris could give us an idea of their business and what they plan to sell. The advice on how to proceed may then be better.

    Cheers for the input guys :)

    The business is IT support providing hardware as well.
     
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    Interested to know why you think OpenCart is better.
    Because it's built from the ground up to be an online shop and it's one of the best out there. WooCommerce is a modified blog platform and it shows.

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    Because it's built from the ground up to be an online shop and it's one of the best out there.
    But what makes it better?

    WooCommerce is a modified blog platform and it shows.
    How does it show?

    You continually say it's better. It would be awesome if you could say why ....
     
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    You continually say it's better. It would be awesome if you could say why ....
    Well it would take quite a bit of time to go into detail about all the differences, overall it's like the difference between using something that's designed for a certain purpose verses something that's been hacked for the purpose.

    A very basic example is have you seen a default fresh OpenCart install vs. a default fresh WooCommerce install? OpenCart is ready to sell. WooCommerce is a WordPress site with a shop link in the menu, when you go into it it needs loads of configuration before anything looks right. And that's just for a start.

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    Well it would take quite a bit of time to go into detail about all the differences, overall it's like the difference between using something that's designed for a certain purpose verses something that's been hacked for the purpose.
    I don't see that at all. Both serve the same purpose and have similar functionality. They both need styling to suit a particular site style. Pages are just pages. All of which can be styled to suit.

    If you could point out an advantage or how Open Cart is effectively 'better', maybe more people would opt for it.
     
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    WooCommerce is a WordPress site with a shop link in the menu, when you go into it it needs loads of configuration before anything looks right. And that's just for a start.
    Not sure that’s correct. A fresh Wordpress install with a woo theme is ready to start selling as soon as you have added your products. The wizard does all the setting up for you. No need for loads of configuration.
     
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    Simple answer: use WooCommerce. It's easy to set up, customisable and able to power extremely simple online shops and complex ones too.
    Well that's just not true, as Joe will explain ...

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    If you could point out an advantage or how Open Cart is effectively 'better', maybe more people would opt for it.

    We tried out WooCommerce for setting up an eCommerce site which was to be a counterpart to a couple of other online shops we manage, Vape Liquid UK (running OpenCart) and Disposable Bar (PrestaShop). We found it to be practically unusable for two main reasons:

    1. Speed.

    Time to first byte of a fresh new WooCommerce installation was around 5 to 6 seconds. That's 5 seconds of waiting after clicking on any link! We tested this with a clean install of WordPress and WooCommerce to be sure this wasn't the result of any plugins slowing the site down.

    On the same server, pages in OpenCart load in around half a second, and in PrestaShop loading times were around 1-2 seconds max. Even using one of the many caching extensions available for WooCommerce - we tried out WP Rocket, LiteSpeed Cache (dependent on special server-installed software) and WP Super Cache, among others - although they improve performance for 'static' pages that look the same to everyone, as soon as you add something to your cart, the page has to be generated dynamically and you're back to waiting around for 5 or more seconds every time you click on a link. For an eCommerce site, that's not acceptable. Customers will simply go elsewhere rather than twiddling their thumbs.

    2. Lack of (practical) customisability.

    This may sound silly to say about the platform that seems to have the most themes out of any of them, but if you look a little deeper you'll find that most themes are extremely limiting, or unreasonably expensive. A lot of the most popular themes have next to no flexibility if you don't use their 'premium' version, which in many cases require you to pay monthly to use them! A lot of them bolt their own page editors on top of WooCommerce as well, further increasing the complexity of an already extremely bloated platform.

    On top of that, the way that WooCommerce themes are structured internally is frankly bizarre. Coming from OpenCart and PrestaShop's relatively sane template engines (Twig and Smarty, respectively), WooCommerce (and WordPress in general) is a tangled mess of numbered events and actions in an unclear order, global function overrides and PHP archaisms held over from WordPress's legacy days. I'll spare you the gory details, but to summarise, if you're a developer then you will regularly run into some major headaches when trying to customise a WooCommerce theme.

    Compare OpenCart - practically all plugins are available or a one-time payment, and most themes are more of a fresh coat of paint as they should be. Themes such as iStore or Electron simply revamp the appearance of the site without trying to replace a whole load of its functionality, and are super simple to refine to your needs if desired. On the other end of the scale are heavyweight themes such as Journal - while it does come with its own complexity, a single payment will give you everything you see on its multitude of demo sites, with no recurring monthly fees.

    Suffice it to say, we found WooCommerce impractical for use as an eCommerce platform. OpenCart is all around far more nimble and light weight, easier to work with and miles more developer-friendly for tailoring to your unique requirements as a business owner.

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    Time to first byte of a fresh new WooCommerce installation was around 5 to 6 seconds. That's 5 seconds of waiting after clicking on any link! We tested this with a clean install of WordPress and WooCommerce to be sure this wasn't the result of any plugins slowing the site down.
    Just so we're on the same page here, which tool/s are you using to speed test pages? And why would you use TTFB as a page load speed metric?
     
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    Just so we're on the same page here, which tool/s are you using to speed test pages? And why would you use TTFB as a page load speed metric?
    We use the Chromium network inspector as well as command line tools such as wget and curl to measure the server response time i.e. TTFB. It's the best metric for how long the server takes to process a request before it can start sending the page, and how long the customer would have to wait before beginning to see the page load on their end.

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    We use the Chromium network inspector as well as command line tools such as wget and curl to measure the server response time i.e. TTFB. It's the best metric for how long the server takes to process a request before it can start sending the page, and how long the customer would have to wait before beginning to see the page load on their end.
    TTFB is a measure of server response time, so why would you use it to compare page load speed? And frankly, your result of 5 seconds is not indicative of real world results.

    I'm looking at comparisons between the site you created on OpenCart and sites created using Woocommerce tested on PSI and the OpenCart site is not performing well at all. In real world terms, the metrics that count are FCP, TBT, LCP & CLS. You're OpenCart example is nowhere near passing Core Web Vitals.

    Some Woocommerce sites may be performing like your OpenCart site but that doesn't mean Woocommerce is slow. It entirely depends on the configuration.
     
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    TTFB is independent of the website. I’ve just tested a clean woo install on my server and the page is fully loaded in 1.2 seconds without any compression, caching or optimisation.

    And there are plenty of woo themes that don’t use a page builder. The problem so envato who prefer premium themes with page builders.
     
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    WooCommerce taking 6 seconds to load any pages on a fresh install is ridiculous - there must have been other factors at play there.
    Unlikely, we believe everything was set up correctly.

    Paul.

    TTFB is a measure of server response time, so why would you use it to compare page load speed? And frankly, your result of 5 seconds is not indicative of real world results.
    We're assuming the server isn't sending any bytes until it's finished processing the page which is often the case, but you're right sometimes TTLB would be a better measure.

    I'm looking at comparisons between the site you created on OpenCart and sites created using Woocommerce tested on PSI and the OpenCart site is not performing well at all. In real world terms, the metrics that count are FCP, TBT, LCP & CLS. You're OpenCart example is nowhere near passing Core Web Vitals.
    We're saying a clean OpenCart install is much faster than a clean WooCommerce install.

    Some Woocommerce sites may be performing like your OpenCart site but that doesn't mean Woocommerce is slow. It entirely depends on the configuration.
    As above.

    Paul.

    TTFB is independent of the website. I’ve just tested a clean woo install on my server and the page is fully loaded in 1.2 seconds without any compression, caching or optimisation.
    Usually TTFB is a sign all processing is complete but it's true it might be more accurate to use TTLB.

    And there are plenty of woo themes that don’t use a page builder. The problem so envato who prefer premium themes with page builders.
    If you can find a good one, which perhaps you can with years of experience ?

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    Bit hard to sell products on a clean install.
    Not what @fisicx says:
    Not sure that’s correct. A fresh Wordpress install with a woo theme is ready to start selling as soon as you have added your products. The wizard does all the setting up for you. No need for loads of configuration.

    Real world results clearly show that your example site doesn't pass core web vitals and same sort of result for other OpenCart sites.
    Does a fresh WooCommerce?

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    If you want to see a fast Woo site @Trapbarn has one. Storefront theme I believe. 98-99 on PSI.
    Well hang on a sec, you just said you were test an OC site and a Woo site and getting better results on the Woo one - so what sites were you testing? When did you do these tests?

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    Well hang on a sec, you just said you were test an OC site and a Woo site and getting better results on the Woo one - so what sites were you testing? When did you do these tests?
    Tell you what. You do your own PSI tests on your own sites and tell us about the results. But that one I mentioned above is going to be a whole lot faster than anything on OpenCart. Now not all Woo sites are that fast, but that's an example of a fast one.
     
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    Tell you what. You do your own PSI tests
    But you literally just said you've done these tests ...
    I'm looking at comparisons between the site you created on OpenCart and sites created using Woocommerce tested on PSI and the OpenCart site is not performing well at all.
    So did you do them or not? I'm thinking not seeing as you're not prepared to say exactly what sites you tested and what results you got.

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    So did you do them or not? I'm thinking not seeing as you're not prepared to say exactly what sites you tested and what results you got.
    I run tests on lots of sites. Just run your own tests and come back with the results if you think OC is faster.
    I told you I tested your example site and I told you I tested the site Woo site I talked about. The Woo site is much faster.
     
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    I told you I tested your example site and I told you I tested the site Woo site I talked about. The Woo site is much faster.
    You're comparing an essentially fresh and unmodified OpenCart on shared hosting with a heavily optimised WooCommerce site on a totally different server with a different host. Hardly a meaningful result.

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    You're comparing an essentially fresh and unmodified OpenCart on shared hosting with a heavily optimised WooCommerce site on a totally different server with a different host. Hardly a meaningful result.
    You continually tell us how slow Woocommerce is and how much better OpenCart is. How about you do your own tests, on your own sites and provide something to back up the claim.

    I'm not here selling websites. I don't need to convince anyone of anything and I'm not going to show results of tests on your sites. Anyone can run a PSI test and check Core Web Vitals on any site.

    It doesn't matter what hosting or how optimised a site is, if it doesn't pass Core Web Vitals, there's room for improvement.
     
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    It doesn't matter what hosting or how optimised a site is, if it doesn't pass Core Web Vitals, there's room for improvement.
    Obviously but that's not the point I've been making or the question you asked.

    The point is that a fresh OpenCart is much faster than a fresh WooCommerce install, and WooCommerce is only usable after a lot of configuration.

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    How about you do your own tests, on your own sites and provide something to back up the claim.

    Granted this is from Google Page Speed Insights not Core Web Vitals, but ...

    Fresh WooCommerce install (https://www.vapes.lol/)
    Mobile Performance 59
    Desktop Performance 84
    First Contentful Paint 6.4 s

    Fresh OpenCart (some minor theme changes) (https://www.vapeliquiduk.com/)
    Mobile Performance 73
    Desktop Performance 85
    First Contentful Paint 2.9 s

    Paul.
     
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