SeoGenie ?

[FunkyBears]

http://www.theseogenie.com/payonresultsseo/
Anyone one got any knowledge of this company. I can't get through on the phone number they supply and they want Paypal or credit cards details before they start their FREE 1month trial!
I would never ever part with credit card or paypal details before I have evidence of their credibilty

 

[FunkyBears]

Malachi Kelly from Seo Genie has just called me and agreed to a months work without any need whatsoever for me to supply any payments details as a sign of good faith. I will do a full report on their progress after their months FREE trial

 

[QVA - Emma]

Malachi Kelly from Seo Genie has just called me and agreed to a months work without any need whatsoever for me to supply any payments details as a sign of good faith. I will do a full report on their progress after their months FREE trial

First flaw is they ask YOU to provide them with the four keywords...

make sure you blind them with science and do your keyword research first

 

[eventdomain]

First flaw is they ask YOU to provide them with the four keywords...


That might be bcos they will enter the keywords into a keyword generator, then put them into your site tags, for the engines to spider. At the end you should have about 20ish keywords you can be found under.

Personally I'd not trust anyone other than a web designer to do this, as they'll demand access to your site. Don't do it.

 

[Ali-v-8]

2 things.
1) Created on: 24-Aug-09
Expires on: 24-Aug-10

2)
The The SEO Genie Web Site (the "Site") is an online information service provided by The SEO Genie ("The SEO Genie "), subject to your compliance with the terms and conditions set forth below. PLEASE READ THIS DOCUMENT CAREFULLY BEFORE ACCESSING OR USING THE SITE. BY ACCESSING OR USING THE SITE, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET FORTH BELOW. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO BE BOUND BY THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, YOU MAY NOT ACCESS OR USE THE SITE. The SEO Genie MAY MODIFY THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME, AND SUCH MODIFICATIONS SHALL BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON POSTING OF THE MODIFIED AGREEMENT ON THE SITE. YOU AGREE TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENT PERIODICALLY TO BE AWARE OF SUCH MODIFICATIONS AND YOUR CONTINUED ACCESS OR USE OF THE SITE SHALL BE DEEMED YOUR CONCLUSIVE ACCEPTANCE OF THE MODIFIED AGREEMENT

So its a brand new business who is hosted in the US.
They have not optimised their website.

IMO- More fool you if you sign up and give them any information about your business.

 

[FunkyBears]

I've just received this mail:

Hi Paul,
Thanks for your time today, I am happy to perform a free trial without any payment details being taken as a special one off. Although the keyword teddy bear and teddy bears will be impossible to rank on the first page in 30 days. What we can do is show you what position you are now for those keywords and in 30 days show you the improvement.

Comments please

 

[justinmarch]

I've just received this mail:

Hi Paul,
Thanks for your time today, I am happy to perform a free trial without any payment details being taken as a special one off. Although the keyword teddy bear and teddy bears will be impossible to rank on the first page in 30 days. What we can do is show you what position you are now for those keywords and in 30 days show you the improvement.

Comments please

Ask them what they will rank you for (and how long it will take) then see how popular the phrases are historically.

 

[QVA - Emma]

I've just received this mail:

Hi Paul,
Thanks for your time today, I am happy to perform a free trial without any payment details being taken as a special one off. Although the keyword teddy bear and teddy bears will be impossible to rank on the first page in 30 days. What we can do is show you what position you are now for those keywords and in 30 days show you the improvement.

Comments please

ah so you choose the four keywords...they say no...and so on and so forth until you are left with "teddy bear with one and eye and no nose" on page 1 postion 1 of google

I'd decline the free trial, reading between the lines of their site they basically post your website on random websites either they own or a subsidiary owns. Also 90 articles a month? All the same article with backlinks and synonyms used through a generator, ouch.

Emma

 

[justinmarch]

Although the keyword teddy bear and teddy bears will be impossible to rank on the first page in 30 days.

I would not bother... but for fun you could ask them how long it will take them to rank for "SEO Genie" or "SEOGenie" for that matter.

 

[Marketing_guy]

Hi Everyone.

This is my first contribution - Please don't shoot me down in a ball of fire!!!

Just reading through the comments on here and as i work in online marketing I can honestly say i don't see anything wrong with this.

The guy at SEO genie is obviously trying to offer something for nothing, put some work in and see where it goes. They are right that the keywords teddy bear etc are impossible to rank well for in 30 days and they are right in as much as all they can do is Show you where you are now and the show you the improvement

The key with this strategy is that they may or may not make any improvements for the main key phrases your site should be ranking for, but if they do then you may feel like you should continue working with them...

If you are interested in working with an SEO firm then how much they charge shouldn't be the question!!! What the question should be is what kind of return will you get on your "long term" investment and what is that return calculated on.

To sum up - Give them a shot for a month and in the meantime look for a professional agency that can actually deliver results in competitive markets, but be prepared to pay for those that can deliver and prove it!!!

FYI - On the Term Teddy Bears (which is too generic if you want it to convert well) you are currently ranking in Yahoo UK (38) and Nowhere in google (UK/Com)on the domain funkybears.com, however, you are currently ranked on page 6 in google.co.uk for the domain teddybearspersonalised.com.

Nigel

 

[Marketing_guy]

I would not bother... but for fun you could ask them how long it will take them to rank for "SEO Genie" or "SEOGenie" for that matter.

They are ranking for SEO Genie - Just not very well

 

[Ali-v-8]

Can i shoot you down in a ball of ice. fire cost too much.

"HAVE YOUUUU LOOKED AT THEIR WEBSITE"

I wouldnt let them work on its cold outsides website.

This is clearly a way to get a return. How?
Because the only way to improve flyingbear.com would be to work on his content, internal links, tags navigation and improve his titles and then external links.
No way on this planet would that be worked on correctly with in 30 days and for less than £400 expense per week (roughly).
No business will run at a loss. So eventually it will cost him or they will be doing nothing.

I could make a website jump from page 10 to page 3 and say look i improved your position. The real work starts at page 2

Hi Everyone.

This is my first contribution - Please don't shoot me down in a ball of fire!!!

Just reading through the comments on here and as i work in online marketing I can honestly say i don't see anything wrong with this.

The guy at SEO genie is obviously trying to offer something for nothing, put some work in and see where it goes. They are right that the keywords teddy bear etc are impossible to rank well for in 30 days and they are right in as much as all they can do is Show you where you are now and the show you the improvement

The key with this strategy is that they may or may not make any improvements for the main key phrases your site should be ranking for, but if they do then you may feel like you should continue working with them...

If you are interested in working with an SEO firm then how much they charge shouldn't be the question!!! What the question should be is what kind of return will you get on your "long term" investment and what is that return calculated on.

To sum up - Give them a shot for a month and in the meantime look for a professional agency that can actually deliver results in competitive markets, but be prepared to pay for those that can deliver and prove it!!!

FYI - On the Term Teddy Bears (which is too generic if you want it to convert well) you are currently ranking in Yahoo UK (38) and Nowhere in google (UK/Com)on the domain funkybears.com, however, you are currently ranked on page 6 in google.co.uk for the domain teddybearspersonalised.com.

Nigel

 

[FLAUK]

I would steer clear and let someone else be the guinea pig.

They have zero reputation and zero work done to their own site - who knows what kind of links they are going to build?

 

[Ali-v-8]

If you want Seo you must pay.
If you want to learn. Take your time learning. Then pay.
If you pay for a decent seo guy the work will pay for its self in the future.

 

[Marketing_guy]

Can i shoot you down in a ball of ice. fire cost too much.

"HAVE YOUUUU LOOKED AT THEIR WEBSITE"

I wouldnt let them work on its cold outsides website.

This is clearly a way to get a return. How?
Because the only way to improve flyingbear.com would be to work on his content, internal links, tags navigation and improve his titles and then external links.
No way on this planet would that be worked on correctly with in 30 days and for less than £400 expense per week (roughly).
No business will run at a loss. So eventually it will cost him or they will be doing nothing.

I could make a website jump from page 10 to page 3 and say look i improved your position. The real work starts at page 2

Read it, check it and make sure you understand it before commenting!!! Man you totally missed the point and you're still cold outside.

By the way I did ask nicely for you not to!!!

 

[FunkyBears]

Because the only way to improve flyingbear.com would be to work on his content, internal links, tags navigation and improve his titles and then external links. Quote

Where does flyingbear.com come into the equation here?

 

[Ali-v-8]

Because the only way to improve flyingbear.com would be to work on his content, internal links, tags navigation and improve his titles and then external links. Quote

Where does flyingbear.com come into the equation here?

cross between your name and website.
Speed scanned the name.
Plus every time i see your name i keep thinking of those bear with the goggles

 

[justinmarch]

work on his content, internal links, tags navigation and improve his titles and then external links

Agreed the title tag makes me shudder.... do a site: search in Google and ask your self even if it did come up would I click on the listing.

 

[Ali-v-8]

Agreed the title tag makes me shudder.... do a site: search in Google and ask your self even if it did come up would I click on the listing.

new website is great

 

[justinmarch]

new website is great

Which site are you talking about?

 

[Ali-v-8]

funky bears.
new website completely blow the old one out of the water.

 

[justinmarch]

funky bears.
new website completely blow the old one out of the water.

funkybears.com looks fine but I don't like the following title tag:

<title>teddybear,teddybears,gifts,personalised bear</title>

 

[Marketing_guy]

funkybears.com looks fine but I don't like the following title tag:

<title>teddybear,teddybears,gifts,personalised bear</title>

I'd agree the title tag leaves a lot to be desired - probably best to go for something a little more descriptive and better targeted like;

Teddy Bears - Personalised Teddy Bears for All Occassions

Nigel

 

[Stampy]

I'd agree the title tag leaves a lot to be desired - probably best to go for something a little more descriptive and better targeted like;

Teddy Bears - Personalised Teddy Bears for All Occassions

Nigel

Only if they're just targetting the keywords "teddy bears" "personalised teddy bears" and "all occasions".

Would the first step not be to identify what keywords are going to be targetted, or I have I missed that in the thread?

 

[justinmarch]

Teddy Bears - Personalised Teddy Bears for All Occassions

I would do keyword research first to establish exactly what phrases should be targeted, but yes this type of formatting would be a lot better.

Apart from the fact that you have spelt "Occasions" as "Occassions", your not trying for a misspelling are you .

Also would include singular and plural of the main phrase and establish if its Teddybear or Teddy bear or both that you wish to target.

Other modifiers could be vintage, antique, gift, uk (always a cracker to include on the of chance if your UK based) etc...

check out: https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

 

[justinmarch]

Would the first step not be to identify what keywords are going to be targetted, or I have I missed that in the thread?

sorry posted at the same time as you...

 

[Marketing_guy]

Originally Posted by Stampy
Would the first step not be to identify what keywords are going to be targetted, or I have I missed that in the thread?

I would do keyword research first to establish exactly what phrases should be targeted, but yes this type of formatting would be a lot better.

Apart from the fact that you have spelt "Occasions" as "Occassions", your not trying for a misspelling are you .

Also would include singular and plural of the main phrase and establish if its Teddybear or Teddy bear or both that you wish to target.

Other modifiers could be vintage, antique, gift, uk (always a cracker to include on the of chance if your UK based) etc...

You know what i'm starting to think it was a bad idea joining in the discussion trying to offer a little help to someone

Simple equation ladies and gentlemen is that the site is about teddy bears, actually personalised teddy bears - if your site is about teddy bears then surely the homepage should be targeted to teddy bears

if you look quickly at the site (presuming you know what you're looking for) you should very quickly spot what the owner of the site is trying to do and from there you can do "keyword research" using teh tool that justinmarch provided once you have a comprehensive list of keywords so that you can identify potential search volumes.

And for Stampy - The site would not be targeted for All occasions spelt correctly or incorrectly - It would be targeted for Teddy bears and also a more targeted but less searched for and less competitive term "Personalised Teddy Bears"

Leave in or take out All Occasions - That's purely asthetic and pulled from the sites homepage.

Oh and Stampy by the way, just a quick question when optimising a website do you only ever optimise the homepage? Are there not more than 1 pages on a website that can be optimised? And woudl you optimise more than 1 page for the same terms

I could actually go on with this but would rather not, I think the post is now moving off topic into an SEO Consultant Showdown

 

[Stampy]

I shouldn't think it's turning into a showdown (apart from the fact that I'm very far from a SEO Consultant, whatever one of those is), as it's only a few people expressing opinions. It would be a shame if you reacted so strongly to every response given to your posts on a forum - you do seem to be taking the responses a bit personally.

The point was, your page title is crucially important for letting the SE know what your page is about. I therefore wouldn't waste any of that opportunity on words or phrases that I couldn't target traffic on. So personally speaking I wouldn't include "all occasions". I didn't suggest for a minute that you were implying the site was optimised for that, just the homepage title.

We're only trying to help the OP here with our collective opinions - lets not get upset when we've got conflicting ones

You know what i'm starting to think it was a bad idea joining in the discussion trying to offer a little help to someone

Simple equation ladies and gentlemen is that the site is about teddy bears, actually personalised teddy bears - if your site is about teddy bears then surely the homepage should be targeted to teddy bears

if you look quickly at the site (presuming you know what you're looking for) you should very quickly spot what the owner of the site is trying to do and from there you can do "keyword research" using teh tool that justinmarch provided once you have a comprehensive list of keywords so that you can identify potential search volumes.

And for Stampy - The site would not be targeted for All occasions spelt correctly or incorrectly - It would be targeted for Teddy bears and also a more targeted but less searched for and less competitive term "Personalised Teddy Bears"

Leave in or take out All Occasions - That's purely asthetic and pulled from the sites homepage.

Oh and Stampy by the way, just a quick question when optimising a website do you only ever optimise the homepage? Are there not more than 1 pages on a website that can be optimised? And woudl you optimise more than 1 page for the same terms

I could actually go on with this but would rather not, I think the post is now moving off topic into an SEO Consultant Showdown

 

[Marketing_guy]

I shouldn't think it's turning into a showdown (apart from the fact that I'm very far from a SEO Consultant, whatever one of those is), as it's only a few people expressing opinions. It would be a shame if you reacted so strongly to every response given to your posts on a forum - you do seem to be taking the responses a bit personally.

The point was, your page title is crucially important for letting the SE know what your page is about. I therefore wouldn't waste any of that opportunity on words or phrases that I couldn't target traffic on. So personally speaking I wouldn't include "all occasions". I didn't suggest for a minute that you were implying the site was optimised for that, just the homepage title.

We're only trying to help the OP here with our collective opinions - lets not get upset when we've got conflicting ones

I agree, we're only trying to help the OP here, and no i'm not as you suggest "getting upset" (LOL). I also agree that there is a difference of opinion and if you're not an SEO Consultant (as part of what you do!) then you've still outshone those that are by answering intelligently!

Your opinion is that you wouldn't include it because it is a waste of "real estate", depending on circumstance i would both agree and disagree - On this occasion I actually disagree, because it should be "easy enough" to rank P1,2,3 for these terms without sacrificing CTR opportunity.

I'm not crying, just yet!!!

 

[Stampy]

Ok, fair enough, I'm just used to squeezing everything I can out of my page titles I would agree that if you've got the opportunity to make your title appealing and not just keyword orientated then you should make the most of it, as you'll get more clicks as a result of being appealing to the visitors rather than playing to the search engines.

Although, I'd still try and get something else in there - sorry, I can't help it. It's like keyword tourettes.

I agree, we're only trying to help the OP here, and no i'm not as you suggest "getting upset" (LOL). I also agree that there is a difference of opinion and if you're not an SEO Consultant (as part of what you do!) then you've still outshone those that are by answering intelligently!

Your opinion is that you wouldn't include it because it is a waste of "real estate", depending on circumstance i would both agree and disagree - On this occasion I actually disagree, because it should be "easy enough" to rank P1,2,3 for these terms without sacrificing CTR opportunity.

I'm not crying, just yet!!!

 

[Marketing_guy]

Ok, fair enough, I'm just used to squeezing everything I can out of my page titles I would agree that if you've got the opportunity to make your title appealing and not just keyword orientated then you should make the most of it, as you'll get more clicks as a result of being appealing to the visitors rather than playing to the search engines.

Although, I'd still try and get something else in there - sorry, I can't help it. It's like keyword tourettes.

I can just imagine it now... Teddy teddy TEDDY bear, Personalised Ttttt Teddy bear" and it doesn't help having just watched crank2