Recommendations wanted for effective link builder

[BrightIdeas]

Hi there

I am looking for recommendations please for an effective link builder, please. Not directory submissions, blog commenting or anything like that. I'm looking for high quality links that will add value in the medium-to-long term.

Many thanks

 

[fisicx]

How much money have you got?

The higher quality the link the more it's going to cost to get. People don't give these things away for free, you have to work at it.

 

[BrightIdeas]

My current monthly budget is £450 - which is what I had informally agreed with someone who is supposed to be doing some freelance link building for me (this person, supposedly, has good contacts and obtains links through writing for good quality websites).

However, 3 months on and I feel I'm no further forward. He gets paid on results - maybe his contacts aren't in a relevant industry? Who knows.

 

[RadiusBPO]

Maybe it's proof that volume matters more than quality. £450pm must get 5-10 links per month, where as if your after volume you'd be getting more than 1000 links per month.

Also, does writing for good quality sites = ezine etc or something like - http://www.platoonphone.com/ ??

 

[fisicx]

My current monthly budget is £450 - which is what I had informally agreed with someone who is supposed to be doing some freelance link building for me (this person, supposedly, has good contacts and obtains links through writing for good quality websites).

However, 3 months on and I feel I'm no further forward. He gets paid on results - maybe his contacts aren't in a relevant industry? Who knows.

That sound very smelly. I'm not a link builder but someone who get links by writing articles or whatever is very unlikely to be getting anything decent. For £450 you could get an awful lot of adwords which would bring in lots of highly targeted and credit card holding customers, far more effective than your link building plan.

 

[BrightIdeas]

Andy.... I'm a believer in quality, not quantity.

Good quality sites = relevant websites with 'proper' articles (not cr*p, all PR 0) - i.e. editorial.

 

[BrightIdeas]

That sound very smelly. I'm not a link builder but someone who get links by writing articles or whatever is very unlikely to be getting anything decent. For £450 you could get an awful lot of adwords which would bring in lots of highly targeted and credit card holding customers, far more effective than your link building plan.

Smelly?? :|

I use Adwords already... I'm looking for long-term value with the link building.

 

[gemd89]

Whats your business?

Maybe you could link build yourself depending on your business

Gemma

 

[RadiusBPO]

£450 pm, could buy some aged PR3 or 4 domains which you can use to create your own authority site. Have you looked into that?

Or hire an SEO and let the expert decide what links you need?

 

[BrightIdeas]

£450 pm, could buy some aged PR3 or 4 domains which you can use to create your own authority site. Have you looked into that?

Or hire an SEO and let the expert decide what links you need?

Yes, have looked at buying an aged domain but nothing suitable has been found. Giving this one more week.

Have hired an SEO already who did some consultancy/training three months ago. It was from this exercise that it was decided:

- I would get an aged domain with relevancy and authority and create another site with that
- This link builder would then 'own' this site and create good quality links
- I would do additional link building myself
-I would develop the on-page content

All of this activity was structured by an SEO already, who I do have confidence in (I worked with him previously on a number of other projects). Trouble is, he doesn't do hands on SEO really anymore. He works for a big agency on the consultancy/training side. He put me in touch with these other guys (the link builder/writer and the domainer).

If anyone can make any suggestions, I would appreciate it.

 

[RadiusBPO]

All of this activity was structured by an SEO already, who I do have confidence in (I worked with him previously on a number of other projects). Trouble is, he doesn't do hands on SEO really anymore. He works for a big agency on the consultancy/training side. He put me in touch with these other guys (the link builder/writer and the domainer).

If anyone can make any suggestions, I would appreciate it.

Are you seeing improvements in rank? Even just a page or 2 here and there. Sometimes it takes a few months of work to get a site to start moving and it is important that your consistent and keep the pressure on.

 

[allsquare]

What makes a site an

authority site

 

[BrightIdeas]

Are you seeing improvements in rank? Even just a page or 2 here and there. Sometimes it takes a few months of work to get a site to start moving and it is important that your consistent and keep the pressure on.

As they haven't actually built any links yet (at all), I can say that any improvements are actually down to them!

 

[BrightIdeas]

What makes a site an

A site that is trusted by search engines.

 

[RadiusBPO]

As they haven't actually built any links yet (at all), I can say that any improvements are actually down to them!

And how many months have you been paying £450 pm??!?

 

[eventdomain]

You have a few options:

1. Use a Text link broker and buy links

2. Banner Exchanges (Free)

3. Search and buy links yourself

apart from the above, there's not much left - what used to exist as free, is now certainly paid and will cost, but thats not unusual, and you now have no choice but to pay to get on other's web property.

If you don't, and that's assuming you dont own a viral link tool or your own network of 20'000 websites, you'll struggle. I never understood the point of owning a website and thinking this can be done on a shoestring budget, its just not possible with normal web businesses bcos they lack the viral/membership element that authority sites and portals have in abundance.

I suppose you can get lucky, landing a decent link or two, but this is rare and they won't come banging down your door for the honour - and you'll need an authoritative site to do it with. All in all, whatever you do, others will compete with you for rankings and ultimately you find out this isnt the walk in the park you'll think it is.

 

[MASSEY]

I really hate how seo's on this forum are scared to recommend a link builder.

It's obviously because they are scared their forum reputation will be tarnished with the gullibel people that hear "dont buy links it's bad" which is sort of understandable.

But maybe one of you seo's could say just once " i used this company, gave me a load of links with desired anchor text and the website flew up".

Because we all know bulk amounts of anchor text links do you the world of good.

 

[nitro23456]

It's obviously because they are scared their forum reputation will be tarnished with the gullibel people that hear "dont buy links it's bad" which is sort of

im quite vocal about how I buy links, and how I believe in it wholeheartedly. Its the old-school on here that shout you down and scowl at you for buying links.

personally, I find many bought high PR blogrolls and free high PR blog commenting work absolute wonders. I don't outsource link building, I do it myself.

 

[BrightIdeas]

And how many months have you been paying £450 pm??!?

Absolutely none - yet. I'm paying based on results.

 

[BrightIdeas]

You have a few options:

1. Use a Text link broker and buy links

2. Banner Exchanges (Free)

3. Search and buy links yourself

apart from the above, there's not much left - what used to exist as free, is now certainly paid and will cost, but thats not unusual, and you now have no choice but to pay to get on other's web property.

If you don't, and that's assuming you dont own a viral link tool or your own network of 20'000 websites, you'll struggle. I never understood the point of owning a website and thinking this can be done on a shoestring budget, its just not possible with normal web businesses bcos they lack the viral/membership element that authority sites and portals have in abundance.

I suppose you can get lucky, landing a decent link or two, but this is rare and they won't come banging down your door for the honour - and you'll need an authoritative site to do it with. All in all, whatever you do, others will compete with you for rankings and ultimately you find out this isnt the walk in the park you'll think it is.

I definitely don't think it's a walk in the park to gain links - which is exactly why I wanted someone else to help with this. I'm too busy myself to link build all by myself.

I do buy links myself - and guest blog to relevant sites, etc. etc. But, there is only 1 of me and with everything else, I can't do it all - which is why I want to outsource.

 

[BrightIdeas]

I really hate how seo's on this forum are scared to recommend a link builder.

It's obviously because they are scared their forum reputation will be tarnished with the gullibel people that hear "dont buy links it's bad" which is sort of understandable.

But maybe one of you seo's could say just once " i used this company, gave me a load of links with desired anchor text and the website flew up".

Because we all know bulk amounts of anchor text links do you the world of good.

I'm quite surprised I've had no PMs so far! (yes, none!).

 

I really hate how seo's on this forum are scared to recommend a link builder.

It's obviously because they are scared their forum reputation will be tarnished with the gullibel people that hear "dont buy links it's bad" which is sort of understandable.

But maybe one of you seo's could say just once " i used this company, gave me a load of links with desired anchor text and the website flew up".

Because we all know bulk amounts of anchor text links do you the world of good.

Its not fear its just very hard to find a reliable link builder who will supply what one requires.

Hence I do my own if needed or use people within our network.

Earl

 

[OldWelshGuy]

I'm quite surprised I've had no PMs so far! (yes, none!).

That would be because it is against the forum rules to self promote and you have not asked for link builders to get in touch, you have asked for recommendations for link builders.

Self promotion isn't allowed on UKBF

In answer to Masseys comment about SEO's not recommending link builders, I think that could be because most of the SEO's have their own employed team of link builders working under their instruction maybe.

 

I think where the links come from is the important thing.

 

[eventdomain]

So why do you think you need a link outsourcer, is it an en-mass link blitz you want, or do you want to target?, bcos targeting is what can drive the costs up, while mass link generation can be the cheapest, worst solution for you.

Getting a load of links is easy - just link to anyone and everyone, join every link exchange system going and you'll have what you want, but they wont be targeted.

Join link exchanges

http://linkgator.net/

http://www.linkpartners.com/



Banner exchange networks

http://www.ukbanners.com/

http://www.bpath.com/

http://www.linkbuddies.com/

http://www.trafficg.com/


now I have used most of the above and can suggest Bpath.com, as they own bidvertiser and are big, and you will get visitors, no question, except it wont be targeted. So, getting traffic is easy, and so is getting links, very easy, but thats not the problem is it.

 

[MASSEY]

who cares if they are targeted ED people want traffic from heavily used search engines, not portals no ones ever heard of.

 

[fisicx]

who cares if they are targeted ED people want traffic from heavily used search engines, not portals no ones ever heard of.

Well that's exactly why so many fail. I could get tons of traffic but unless it's targeted it's all pointless.

But just suppose I get a citation on a niche site related to my business - the visitors wil lbe highly targeted and motivated to convert. I don't need lots of visitors, I want potential clients.

It's like you hanging up a banner on a bridge over the motorway. Loads of views but no leads. Put the same banner up outside a DIY store and the chances of a lead increase.

With regards the portals, it's all about targeting - no point in ranking #1 of google for a non-converting phrase. On the other hand a banner on a tradesman review site could bring in new leads every day. People really need to stop thinking that ranking in Google is the only goal, there are far more effective ways of marketing your business.

Example: I do private tutoring. I have a card up in the window of the local store and it brings in new clients almost every day. Cost's me £5/week and it's instant. Setting up a website and working to get ranked for a range of services would be far more expansive and probalbly far less targeted.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Well that's exactly why so many fail. I could get tons of traffic but unless it's targeted it's all pointless.

But just suppose I get a citation on a niche site related to my business - the visitors wil lbe highly targeted and motivated to convert. I don't need lots of visitors, I want potential clients.

It's like you hanging up a banner on a bridge over the motorway. Loads of views but no leads. Put the same banner up outside a DIY store and the chances of a lead increase.

With regards the portals, it's all about targeting - no point in ranking #1 of google for a non-converting phrase. On the other hand a banner on a tradesman review site could bring in new leads every day. People really need to stop thinking that ranking in Google is the only goal, there are far more effective ways of marketing your business.

Example: I do private tutoring. I have a card up in the window of the local store and it brings in new clients almost every day. Cost's me £5/week and it's instant. Setting up a website and working to get ranked for a range of services would be far more expansive and probalbly far less targeted.

I have a site that gets single figures per day. it does me well

 

[robertt]

I am always on the lookout for good linkbuilders - if any can let me know via PM which is the best non-paid organic link you have achieved for a client and its decent / legit then can talk further

 

[BrightIdeas]

I'm looking for link builders that go beyond just getting a whole load of links up on non-relevant sites. The links need to be relevant and targeted - so, definitely not mass linking. I'm not interested in tactics such as link exchanges and the like.

My site launched approx 6 months ago, so is still relatively new. It's been doing pretty well, but it needs more pushing to get decent rankings for high volume KWs in a competitive market. I recognise that I only have so much time to dedicate to SEO, so need some assistance from someone who can do it quicker/better, and perhaps has better contacts too? (if such a person actually actually exists!) I'm not averse to outsourcing, if it means that I reach my objectives sooner.

I'm starting to wonder if this budget would be better spent in outsourcing content development instead... ? £450 a month is actually a fair bit of money that could be used elsewhere to benefit the business!

 

[nitro23456]

If you require decent targetted links from decent sites in large numbers you have no alternative but to buy them + add someones fee if you are looking to outsource.

Purely out of interest do you have a budget in mind?

Edit: just seen 450 p/m?

 

[fisicx]

I'm starting to wonder if this budget would be better spent in outsourcing content development instead... ? £450 a month is actually a fair bit of money that could be used elsewhere to benefit the business!

This is the point a numper of peeps have been suggesting. It's not link builidng you need nor is it lots of visitors - what you need is converting customers.

It may be that improved ranking through leywords is the solution but there are many more marketing avenues to persue and for £450/month you could get a much better retrun on your investment. There will certainly be inprovements you could make to the site to increase conversions and maybe a banner on a related forum or blog could bring in lots of credit card holding visitors.

Please excuse if this is all a bit egg sucking but reading your opening posts you don't seem to have had much luck with the link building to maybe it's time to look at the alternatives.

 

[BrightIdeas]

I've mentioned my budget a few times already - it's £450 p.m.

And, not necessarily looking for tons to go up at once either. A nice link profile with good quality, relevant links being added consistently over the space of a year was what I had in mind.

 

[fisicx]

And, not necessarily looking for tons to go up at once either. A nice link profile with good quality, relevant links being added consistently over the space of a year was what I had in mind.

See my above post - you are always going to be playing catch up with the competiton (who may well be also buying links) so this nice link profile you are going to create may be of no use whatsoever.

 

[nitro23456]

I've mentioned my budget a few times already - it's £450 p.m.

And, not necessarily looking for tons to go up at once either. A nice link profile with good quality, relevant links being added consistently over the space of a year was what I had in mind.

Ok cool, sorry hadn't spotted budget before

 

[BrightIdeas]

See my above post - you are always going to be playing catch up with the competiton (who may well be also buying links) so this nice link profile you are going to create may be of no use whatsoever.

Actually, the competition are buying links - but they aren't great quality. One of my competitors is both outsourcng link building (anchor text in poor quality articles) and link building themselves. I was hoping to be able to pay someone a set budget to look after more of the link building.

The thing is, I'm doing SEO, CRO, PPC.... (!!) - I need some help!

But.... perhaps I need to focus on outsourcing other services that will provide long term benefit instead.

This thread has given me some good food for thought.

 

[RadiusBPO]

Actually, the competition are buying links - but they aren't great quality. One of my competitors is both outsourcng link building (anchor text in poor quality articles) and link building themselves. I was hoping to be able to pay someone a set budget to look after more of the link building.

I'm a little confused. Your competitors are using these links, they are above you and getting stronger but you still don't want to use this method... Why not?

 

[BrightIdeas]

I'm a little confused. Your competitors are using these links, they are above you and getting stronger but you still don't want to use this method... Why not?

I never said they were above me or getting stronger! We're all competing on slightly different terms and maybe to slightly different types of customers too.

 

[MASSEY]

where are the "Write great content and the links will come naturally" people hiding today,

 

where are the "Write great content and the links will come naturally" people hiding today,

That is only likely to happen with a high ranking on the search engines,IMHO

Earl