Question for Utility Warehouse Distributors

I've recently become a UW Distributor and am looking at getting customers through my existing business by leaving customers a card or leaflet after competing my service.

However I also use leaflets to gain work for my existing business and have thought about delivering one of the approved leaflets for UW along with my own. If anyone has used the UW leaflets I would be interested in finding out the response rate per 500 or 1000 leaflets.
 
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Without sounding rude nor patronising, you are aware that UW is a network/multi level marketing company that means you only earn decent money if you can 'recruit' others to your team?
 
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    Deliberately sounding rude; why not create your own business? Why waste your life building someone else's business at your own expense?
     
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    I have just started myself with UW.

    I would say yes the flyers do work but my experience you need to give people quotes to show them if its cheaper or not.

    I have my ipad with me and when someone asks me about it I will simply use the extranet to produce a quote, of we are cheaper most of the time people will switch.

    Yes as said above you will make more money building a team but you want a mix of customers and team members to move forward with it.

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    Do companies like this use actors to show how succesful they can be?

    In 2006, i got interested in one and ended up going to a huge house near Manchester where a couple lived, with a nice driveway full of nice cars - and the guy even showed me his bank statement showing a £24k payment from his company to himself more than once a month.

    Seemed very succesful but on reflection, not all seemed to stack up!

    Was a bit 'Alan Partridge and his actress wife'. I'm not even sure he knew her name.

    They wanted £200 off me. I was thinking that if they were so rich, and i was as enthusiastic as they seemed to be making me and that i was going to make me and them as much money as they said i was, why didn't they just pay the £200 for me.

    (Sorry if this has gone a bit OT but i do wish you luck. I do know someone who does UW and ok, they don't live in a huge house, but i'm sure it does help in paying for some of lifes little luxuries).
     
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    I'm not sure what its like in other places but here in South Wales you can throw a stone in the general direction of a business networking meeting and hit 3 uw distributors. Every one of them seem to suggest you are a bit dim for not signing up there and then, without really explaining why you should.

    As said above spend your time building your own business and brand.
     
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    serendipitybusiness

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    Not everyone has an idea or the means to start a business from scratch. These kind of systems have a place for those people, if it is the right company with a good set up and a strong product.

    However don't expect to make millions, expect to earn a wage if you are good, aim for a residual income and learn what you can along the way.

    Don't pay to work, with these systems that is usually how the company makes their money so are not invested in actually helping their teams actually sell and support themselves based on sales. Also if their first approach is sell to your friends and family this is an indication that your marketing freedom and product desirability is significantly limited. They are relying on you to guilt trip the people you love into buying into their brand and it is not a good basis to start building a business.

    I don't know about UW however I have seen a lot of reps desperately reaching out over the net asking how they can get business. Surely if the company knew wouldn't they show you, take time to write an action plan as it is in everyones best interest to get sales, if that is where their primary revenue stream is coming from.
     
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    I do know two or three people who have made a lot of money from it genuinely.
    There are some successful 'nice' people and others that you would run a mile from, and whose operation is not to my taste.
    I tried it for a while, but it was not my scene for various reasons.

    However I am still a customer and reasonable satisfied although sorry that Sainsbury's only give 3% cashback now. I used to do all my shopping there when it was 5% but don't bother now.
     
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    Not everyone has an idea or the means to start a business from scratch. These kind of systems have a place for those people, if it is the right company with a good set up and a strong product.

    yep......but you work just as hard but with less reward because the people above you need to take a cut first. What most people don't know is that 95% of the people won't be successful. You might need to approach as much as 10,000 people just to get anywhere. complete waste of time not to mention you can lose your friends while doing it.
     
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    yep......but you work just as hard but with less reward because the people above you need to take a cut first. What most people don't know is that 95% of the people won't be successful. You might need to approach as much as 10,000 people just to get anywhere. complete waste of time not to mention you can lose your friends while doing it.

    Hence why I said stay away from the ones that want you to sell to your friends and family, that is not a foundation for success. However to address your points...


    • 90-95% of businesses fail within the 1st 5 years.
    • Someone is always taking a cut no matter what you do whether it is marketing (cost per customer acquisition) or supply (agent fees, fulfillment etc).
    • Online a decent conversion rate is 6%, on the field law of averages is generally 1 in 20-30 depending on the product, service and how good you are.
    • It isn't much different from having your own business infact how many business owners don't pay themselves a wage full stop for the 1st year. As a rep if you aren't earning in the first few weeks then you are out.
    • Plus first to start your business, you have to come up with an idea, a brand, a route to market, research demand, in many cases get investment etc etc, there is a lot of work involved and in most cases a strong learning curve.

    Therefore I stand by my quoted statement.....
    Not everyone has an idea or the means to start a business from scratch. These kind of systems have a place for those people, if it is the right company with a good set up and a strong product. :D
     
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    • 90-95% of businesses fail within the 1st 5 years.

    Really? I think thats exaggerated. I remember few years ago when I was doing my business degree, I saw it in a book about small businesses that around 70% of it will fail within the first 5 years. Now its 90-95%? More like the ratio for the distributors, lol

    Someone is always taking a cut no matter what you do whether it is marketing (cost per customer acquisition) or supply (agent fees, fulfillment etc).

    Yep, they just take even more cut under most of MLM's scheme:D Most of them are very similar to pyramid schemes which the government is trying to ban.

    Plus first to start your business, you have to come up with an idea, a brand, a route to market, research demand, in many cases get investment etc etc, there is a lot of work involved and in most cases a strong learning curve.

    Not really, it all depend on the business. If what you're doing is nothing new then all you need to do is learn more about it and start you're own. I didn't do anything of that for my business. If you can be successful in MLM, you can be just as good in starting your own but without anyone taking a cut.
     
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    serendipitybusiness

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    Really? I think thats exaggerated. I remember few years ago when I was doing my business degree, I saw it in a book about small businesses that around 70% of it will fail within the first 5 years. Now its 90-95%? More like the ratio for the distributors, lol



    Yep, they just take even more cut under most of MLM's scheme:D Most of them are very similar to pyramid schemes which the government is trying to ban.



    Not really, it all depend on the business. If what you're doing is nothing new then all you need to do is learn more about it and start you're own. I didn't do anything of that for my business. If you can be successful in MLM, you can be just as good in starting your own but without anyone taking a cut.

    Lol the statistics were just grabbed off the net and I didn't note the source I think it was the BBC or guardian but statistics can easily be manipulated and you may be right it may not be a true reflection. However they were stated in relation to the 95% or reps fail which wasn't drawn from any statistical data so without study rates for both the comparison cannot hold up anyway.

    Hmm not necessarily it depends on your cost per customer acquisition and business marketing strategy.

    You have to learn about the business, set it up, gain staff or product and market it out. I agree if you are sucessful as a sales rep you can be sucessful in a business but it is not as simple as think it up, start it and not everyone is in a position/mindset to do it.

    It is all horses for courses, some people fail some succeed as they do in business on their own. My point is these businesses still have their place and help people that sell in them. Think of the single mum that can work flexible hours with Avon but wouldn't know where to start with a business, the special needs gent that sells household products via magazines, the retired man who doesn't want to start again but wants to top up his pension, the person with a full time job that doesn't have the time to start a new business but can do this on the side, the person that really doesn't know where to start with a new business and doesn't have an idea, the young 18 year old that has potential but not the experiance to start on their own. They have their place and people can be sucessful with them. There is risk in starting a business, some more than others, this offers the opportunity for some without the risk.

    Could you create a makeup line, health line, home wheres line from scratch easily, get those contracts, distribute or manufacture those products, print magasines, sell them out. How many people have done just this and lost thousands!

    Many businesses have staff that work day in day out for the same wage, sales staff that only earn based on what they sell and don't have the opportunity to recruit or train a team, these systems provide opportunity for those that want to work with an established company or brand but don't want to be hit with the standard glass ceiling.

    So instead of saying people are stupid if they join these schemes instead of starting their own business, why not recognise not everyone is in the position to do this, not everyone wants to do this and these schemes offer a place to be able to work flexibly and potentially build a future.

    What I don't agree with is companies that make people pay to work and focus solely on selling the their family and friends.
     
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    What I don't agree with is companies that make people pay to work and focus solely on selling the their family and friends.

    UW doesn't make people focus on selling to their families. It does not make you focus on any form, but like many MLM set ups it does start with the spot light that way. I think that is because it is seen as a soft target which will absorb the inexperience of new operators and build confidence. I think that is a wrong way to view it.

    My experience talking to those who were making a strong income from UW was that they had always looked elsewhere and not to their families. In some ways that made then act more professionally and also work hard at leafleting and following through previous customers with requests for referrals.

    It's not an easy job, and you have to be set up for a lot of rejection, and a lot of small returns for a lot of outreach, but for those who can do this there are good rewards.

    Its much better to think in this way - of it as a promotion and selling business than to think (as I did) 'I am really happy with this and therefor so will my friends and family be.' They don't. They distrust your eagerness! Even when for us it has saved a packet.
     
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