Profile links - Is it helping you?

[davidm23]

Hi guys,

we can see many many methods with profile link building like SEO Bounce back, Angela paul, web2.0 profiling etc. But I would like to know how far it is helping you. I have tried it but not worth as they claims. How about you could you improve your serp with these methods.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

you are the 'Quality SEO Experts' you tell us

 

[irishguru]

It's spam. So it's not whitehat. So even if it does work it's not viable to action this on ones website especially if it anin't your own. Although it's still debatable. I quite frankly will say it can be either way. Good or Bad. Depending on how you use it.

 

[An Oasis]

Angela paul

Can someone put me out of my confused state, before I have a pop at the OP what the hell is Angela paul?

 

[irishguru]

Can someone put me out of my confused state, before I have a pop at the OP what the hell is Angela paul?

He is a member of WarriorForum. There is a service on there that provides so many high PR sites to put links on each month. They are usually communtiy sites and the idea is to put your links on the profile pages to gain quality backlinks.

They are kind of viable and work but only when used wisely.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Angela/Paul publish a monthly list (I believe) of top sites to get profile links from. All well and good, but unless used wisely (as stated above), then it can end up getting a site flagged.

 

[FunkyBears]

http://paulsqualitybacklinks.com/Paul-&-Angela's-Backlink-Service.html
Black Hat maybe but I know of many sites using this to buid links

 

[irishguru]

http://paulsqualitybacklinks.com/Paul-&-Angela's-Backlink-Service.html
Black Hat maybe but I know of many sites using this to buid links

They are building them at their own risk. I see people adding hundreds per month using this method and I have watched those sites move further down the rankings with this latest update. So it's a high risk link building method and not something serious website owners want to get into if they don't know what they are doing.

 

[10thWay]

Very different points of view here, did anyone try their service? Does it work?

 

[irishguru]

Very different points of view here, did anyone try their service? Does it work?

It works when you know how to use it properly but it's still in my books blackhat and not something to put any eggs of the basket into. Personally I don't recommend them. For all it's worth you could do the same amount of links and get a much better result when you use the power of good link building. All in all it's a sophisticated topic because of them working but only when used correctly and also because they could be discounted any time Google decide they've had enough.

 

[davidm23]

Angela and Paul are members of two forums and they are working on finding new high PR links per month. Their subscribers will get this on a charge of 13$ ( I think so, at the beginning she was charging 5$ and Paul was taking 8$ ) for a total of 30 + 50 backlinks together.

It will work fine 'only if we contribute more than they tell with the links'. It's white hat only.

But as most of the guys started to spam sites using autofilling softwares many sites have tough rules now. Though its working great to get good links.

Actually to work with profile link building or high PR link building just like they advice with their monthly ebooks we don't have to pay. If we are not paying we must search and settle ourselves, if we pay we just have to do with the books that is the difference.

 

[10thWay]

Sorry David, no offence, but if feels to me like you have used a lot of words to say nothing. Are you a politician by any chance? (just kidding mate)

 

[fisicx]

What a load of tosh. Forum sigs have long been discounted as quality inbound links (because they are self created and nort earned). The SE is only going to index one occurance and you cannot be sure of the PR that the thread/post they select is going to be any use.

Suppose for example that your sig link is for hair remover and you post on a thread about earwax - the lack of relevance is going to lower the value of the link to almost zero.

 

[irishguru]

What a load of tosh. Forum sigs have long been discounted as quality inbound links (because they are self created and nort earned).

It's not proven and I know they still count. What's wrong with a bit of self promotion and it's completely whitehat? Can't see Google complaining about that and same with nofollow. Nofollow links still count. Sorry to burst your bubble

 

[Ali-v-8]

Sorry but how can a no follow link count
"no follow" means spiders wont follow. hence no benefit.
Unless someone physically clicks.
Then its a question of who see's the link.

It's not proven and I know they still count. What's wrong with a bit of self promotion and it's completely whitehat? Can't see Google complaining about that and same with nofollow. Nofollow links still count. Sorry to burst your bubble

 

[irishguru]

Sorry but how can a no follow link count
"no follow" means spiders wont follow. hence no benefit.
Unless someone physically clicks.
Then its a question of who see's the link.

I'll leave that thought with you but I know they work. This doesn't mean go hunting nofollow either.. all it means is don't discount them from your linking. I could provide tonnes of proof they work if you wanted to see.

 

[fisicx]

It's not proven and I know they still count. What's wrong with a bit of self promotion and it's completely whitehat?

Didn't say they don't coun't they just don't count for very much. Golden rule: the easier a link is to obtain the lower the value of that link.

I'll leave that thought with you but I know they work. This doesn't mean go hunting nofollow either.. all it means is don't discount them from your linking. I could provide tonnes of proof they work if you wanted to see.

Please send me your tonnes of information. If you can prove that PageRank is passed via a no-follow link then great kudos to you.

 

[Tuftey]

I would love to see the tonnes of information as well.

I know that nofollow links get followed by search engines, but I have never seen any evidence of PR/anchor text being passed.

As for profile links. It is quite blackhat method that has been about for ages.
I would only have a few profiles on different sites, try to build them up so they look like proper people and try to get lots of internal links going to your page (you can do this various ways like becoming friends with people).

Much better to have 5 strong profiles than 100 spammy ones.

I think it still works but be very careful.

 

[irishguru]

Please send me your tonnes of information. If you can prove that PageRank is passed via a no-follow link then great kudos to you.

PR doesn't get you ranked. Backlinks do and I'm sorry if you can't see my point of view but it's a proven point of view. Any up to date SEO would know this.

 

[fisicx]

PageRank is calculated from your inbound links so I don't understand your point especially as your ranking is determined from over 200 ranking signals only one of which is PageRank.

Are you going to send me this tonne of information?

 

[irishguru]

PageRank is calculated from your inbound links so I don't understand your point especially as your ranking is determined from over 200 ranking signals only one of which is PageRank.

Are you going to send me this tonne of information?

Not considering you are still talking about PR and not ranking in Google when I am not talking about PR in the slightest. Also on the topic about nofollow not passing PR, it is still controversal no matter what you or anyone else says because there is evidence of pages gaining PR with only nofollow backlinks and while that's true it's also true that no-one knows what Google are up to and it's them that decide anyhows. ;-)

I also bet you haven't even tested it (thoroughly).

 

[fisicx]

Nope even more confused now.

Ranking is determined by the 200+signals that Google uses. One of the ranking signals is PageRank (it says so on their technology pages). PageRank is a figure calculated from the intenal and inbound links to the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagerank. PageRank (PR) is part of the ranking algo.

A no-follow links is just that. Google will register the link but not follow. It will not pass any PageRank.

Can you provde the evidence that any pages have gained PageRank with ONLY no-follow inbound links? You say that you have a tonne of information, would be great if you could provide.

For the differently confused: PageRank is named after it's inventor Larry Page. It is NOT a measure of the rank of a page. PR as seen in the google toolbar is a bit of fairy dust and can be ignored.

 

[I, Brian]

Nope even more confused now.

Ranking is determined by the 200+signals that Google uses. One of the ranking signals is PageRank (it says so on their technology pages). PageRank is a figure calculated from the intenal and inbound links to the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagerank. PageRank (PR) is part of the ranking algo.

I can't think of any established SEO's who really consider PR to be a significant factor for ranking purposes these days.

The argument about PR is entirely irrelevant, really, because PR scoring on the toolbar tells you absolutely nothing about the quality of the page, the strength of its positioning, nor even of the strength of any links on the page.

 

[fisicx]

I can't think of any established SEO's who really consider PR to be a significant factor for ranking purposes these days.

But according to some experts on the forum, SEO is all about inbound links...

Agree that the toolbat PR is a complete irrelevance

 

[LBtrading]

Yes profile links work to an extent, I wouldnt call them high quality links but on the flipside they are easy to get, I also wouldnt call them BLACKHAT at all, They are not exactly editorial and natural but that doesnt make them blackhat, they are no worse than submitting to directories.

I know people are going to say niche related directories are ok and blah blah blah but how many end users use online directories to find sites?? not many!

also about the forum signiture links having little value well this is half true, Having a link from the profile page (normally via the signiture section) has some value but writing lots of posts on that forum for the sake of backlinks is pretty worthless as they are all from the same domain and IP, this is where forum signitures are worthless but if you create a profile on lots of different domains then you will see some benefits.

the same goes for using articles for backlinks, if you submit 100 articles to the same article directory then you will not gain much more than the 1 article being submitted there in terms of backlink power, but if you submitted 100 articles to 100 different article directories you will gain more benefit in backlink terms.

people say directories blog comments article submitting etc are worthless but You can gain first page and firstplace rankings for some reasonable terms with just these if you do it right. dont get me wrong your not going to rank for insurance but it is a good foundation for any site.

 

[lockie]

I do laugh at all this stuff of links and page rank, both are nowhere nearly as important as content it seems.Just checked and google has no links for my site but it still ranks high for quite a few search terms.
Would rather spend the time adding more quality content and not be concerned about if google rates this link or that link and know im getting results rather than hoping i am.
I very much doubt google will suddenly dismiss quality content like it could a certain type of link at the drop of a hat.
Over the last few years ive watched a lot of competitors get above me through link building campaigns but then suddenly disappear off the page.

Tortoise and Hare i think.
I just keep plodding away playing the longterm content building game while all around keep trying to get the "latest" quick fix working.which does bring results but they dont seem to last.While they do that i slowly inch up the serps bit by bit.

 

[LBtrading]

What I dont understand about this site is that it seems that if you talk about link building and strategies to get them then it must mean you dont have quality content? You should absolutely have quality content but the reason you hvae had good results lockie is more to do with the fact your not in a competitive niche you have keywords in the domain and some good content.

in non competitive niches if you are good at onpage seo with good content and a little bit of age you will rank especially if you have keywords in your domain.

 

[lockie]

What I dont understand about this site is that it seems that if you talk about link building and strategies to get them then it must mean you dont have quality content? You should absolutely have quality content but the reason you hvae had good results lockie is more to do with the fact your not in a competitive niche you have keywords in the domain and some good content.

in non competitive niches if you are good at onpage seo with good content and a little bit of age you will rank especially if you have keywords in your domain.

From your response i take it you have only seen a certain one of my sites.My other main site has no keywords in the domain and ranks in the very competitive locksmith market.

My comments were aimed at amount of importance people place on link building yet my main site has none google ranks or lists yet it still comes up high for a load of different terms. Not one link and its in the top 3 places for various terms.
People ignore the importance of good content in the quest for links. I reckon forget the links and keep writing the content instead.Google could dismiss any type of link they want and undo all the hardwork spent attaining them if they feel its being abused.
Its highly unlikely they will dismiss content though.

Im amazed at how many link requests i get,yet dont have any myself.

 

[Annoying Donkey]

If incoming links are not important how come the no 1 for 'click here' doesn't mention 'click here' at all?

 

[fisicx]

At seomoz there is a big discussion is going on about the importance of content and backlinks. There most of the experienced writers support links than content. I'm not sure though.

Seomoz has been wrong before, the recent biggie being their stand on pagerank sculpting which they were 100% wrong.

 

[sherry_d]

IMHO links are all that gets you ranked for highly competetive terms. Just good content alone gets you nowhere in serps unless you're BBC.

Also I dont see why Paul and Angela's backlinks would be labelled blackhat, if webmasters have their forum open that people can post links and they sure do then who do you blame and would that be blackhat. Honestly no and its easy to rectify by just disabling the facility if you're a webmaster

Do these links still work?

Here is my take, they do work BUT here's the caveat....you'll need loads of these links, sometimes hundreds or a thousand (they dont all get indexed) and you can nomally rank for low to mid competetive terms. You'll need other high quality links to go for highly competetive links. Of late paul and angela's list have been massively circulated on sites like digital point for free such that the day the links are out, almost 50% of the links are disabled.

 

[this charming manc]

I dont think they were wrong. I think google changed its algorythm on them.

Seomoz has been wrong before, the recent biggie being their stand on pagerank sculpting which they were 100% wrong.

 

[this charming manc]

I think you have that nailed on ....

They work but there effectivness is limited.

I have have moved single word phrases from 70 odd into the top 10 using this technique though. So not that limited

IMHO links are all that gets you ranked for highly competetive terms. Just good content alone gets you nowhere in serps unless you're BBC.

Also I dont see why Paul and Angela's backlinks would be labelled blackhat, if webmasters have their forum open that people can post links and they sure do then who do you blame and would that be blackhat. Honestly no and its easy to rectify by just disabling the facility if you're a webmaster

Do these links still work?

Here is my take, they do work BUT here's the caveat....you'll need loads of these links, sometimes hundreds or a thousand (they dont all get indexed) and you can nomally rank for low to mid competetive terms. You'll need other high quality links to go for highly competetive links. Of late paul and angela's list have been massively circulated on sites like digital point for free such that the day the links are out, almost 50% of the links are disabled.