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he said that the USA, like all great empires, such as the Roman Empire, and he mentioned several others empires through history whose names I cannot remember, fail from within. Are we witnessing this now?
Yes.

Just as the Roman Empire failed because of economic factors, so too is America. Rome and Italy have not run away. They are still there! But their empire vanished, never to return. The same is true for the British Empire, the Spanish Empire and all the others.

Germany had an empire until Kaiser Bill decided to start 'The Great War'. Just look at he facts -

$37 trillion US Federal debt is more than "just a number." It's a tectonic imbalance, and the maturities—$9 trillion due within 12 months, $28 trillion by 2028—are what should be causing heart palpitations in every major finance ministry and central bank boardroom.

And yet… the world plods on. The words "blissful denial" spring to mind

The collective response from U.S. policymakers does resemble a slow-motion shrug: extend maturities, roll over debts, and pray for enough global demand to keep yields from spiralling.

And I have not yet taken the $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities (according to the Congressional Budget Office) that is hanging over the US government. That is all the government pensions, military pensions and healthcare liabilities, social care, Medicare and Medicaid and a thousand other liabilities not funded or accounted for!

It’s not madness. It’s desperation disguised as policy.

The Fed’s job now isn’t inflation control—it’s debt trap navigation. With inflation sticky and GDP growth weak, raising rates becomes poison. But lowering rates stokes inflation and devalues the dollar. Every move deepens into another pit.

The U.S. is now walking a tightrope strung between:
  • Currency collapse (if they print too much);
  • bond market revolt (if yields spike and the rollover becomes unaffordable); and
  • social unrest (if austerity is used to "fix" the problem).
If confidence breaks—not just among investors, but among foreign governments and central banks—then:
  • Dollar devaluation accelerates.
  • Real rates spike to attract buyers, followed by markets collapsing.
  • Global margin calls on bonds and derivatives are triggered.
  • Contagion spreads into pensions, insurance, and corporate credit.
  • Even capital controls could be implemented to stem outflows.
That’s the nightmare: not a 1929-style crash, but a slow, systemic unravelling of trust in fiat currencies and the institutions that issue them. The U.S. isn’t Venezuela or Zimbabwe. But Weimar wasn’t “a banana republic” either. It was a highly industrialized, war-indebted democracy with institutional rot, political paralysis, and external liabilities in a world of shifting monetary orders.

The parallels are uncomfortable for a reason.


And the BoE has been foolish enough to support the Fed and its failed bond auctions by doing bond swaps with the Fed. As gold trader Andy Schechtman said, "That's like two drunks holding onto one another to stay upright!"

When the US fails, the UK will fail right alongside it!
 
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If confidence breaks—not just among investors, but among foreign governments and central banks—then:
  • Dollar devaluation accelerates.
  • Real rates spike to attract buyers, followed by markets collapsing.
  • Global margin calls on bonds and derivatives are triggered.
  • Contagion spreads into pensions, insurance, and corporate credit.
  • Even capital controls could be implemented to stem outflows.

Do we know why investors aren't being spooked yet though?

They said there would be a huge collapse a few weeks ago, due the Trump stuff but nothing really happened. The markets tanked for a few days but everyone got their money back, if they waited for it to bounce back up.

We're not seeing the 2008 style collapse, that sent tremors round the world. We're seeing it for maybe a couple of days, then the investors just start propping it all back up again.
 
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So what you are saying is that the two drunks are the USA and the UK, and the substance that is being abused is not alcohol, but debt.

Bingo! For the time being, the US can afford to pile on debt (i.e., issue bonds), but the bond market is beginning to become cautious and is holding back, with central banks buying both physical gold and paper gold (which they are buying to manipulate the gold price, to prevent it from shooting up so high that the world's currencies become destabalised).

As economist and fund manager Bill Fleckenstein put it "Central banks will keep on printing money until the bond markets take the keys to the printing presses away from them!"

Do we know why investors aren't being spooked yet though?.

That depends on which investors and what they are investing in. If we are talking about the US stock market, that has been steadily falling in real terms for quite a while. It has held up nominally, but only when we count up the share prices in dollars. If we look outside of the Glorious Eight (Nvidia, Microsoft, etc.) US shares have fallen by about 20% nominally in the past few months.

But that is just gambling and is not the real economy. The real economy is to be found in jobs, housing, commercial real estate and the movement of goods and services. The latest jobs figures appear steady at first glance, but upon closer examination, one sees that the US government is employing more people (directly and indirectly), and large companies are beginning to either lay off or put them on short-time. SMEs are starting to go to the wall, starting with the small companies.

This is beginning to reflect in the prices SMEs can charge. One very typical example is a tree-felling and ground clearance company run by a young man on the West Coast. He began as a one-man show about eight years ago, climbing tall trees and bringing them down, a bit at a time using simple block-n-tackle. He now has a crew of about ten, two cranes, two giant chippers, stump grinders and several trucks and tractors, etc. He runs a really tight ship - but he is struggling to get decent prices for his work. Folks are prepared to hope that the giant hollow cottonwood that is leaning dangerously over their house won't go through the roof this year!

The state of commercial real estate is - er, well, "dire" hardly covers things in the US market! In some locations, a vacant office block or an empty, out-of-town shopping mall can have a negative value. They are just liabilities!

Both here and in the US, the published inflation rates are very obviously false. Bodies like the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) and the ONS have to massage the figures by excluding all kinds of things and have to keep changing the so-called basket of goods and services to make things appear better than they are. Imagine what would happen if people knew that food inflation (2023-2024) was at 20%.

Except of course, they are realising it! My wife keeps a spreadsheet of food costs and 20% is what 25 core items that everybody needs to buy (eggs, milk, cheese, coffee, olive oil, fish, meat, vegetables - basic stuff like that) and that was the figure she got!

Perhaps the ONS, who claimed a food inflation figure of just 2%, only shop at Harrods and Fortum & Mason! But for ordinary mortals shopping at Tesco and Lidl, the figure was 20%.

And of course, the ONS and the BLS do not include taxes in their calculations - the last time I looked, HMRC were adamant that I should continue to pay my taxes! And they've gone up and not down!

Over the past 15 years, those poor souls on a modal income (the one that the largest number of full-time wage earners actually get) have seen their nominal gross income increase from £19,500 to £25,000, BUT the purchasing power actually FELL by 20%. (ONS & BoE figures)

So the poor and the middle classes here and in the US are getting squeezed (i.e. poorer) because they are reliant on the value of the currency remaining stable - which it is not! But the asset loaded rich have seen the value of their assets not only increase nominally, but also increase in real terms.

Land, commodities and healthy, profitable companies all increased by enough to outstrip inflation. If that share allocation for the CEO was made at $20 a share and is now worth $100 a share. OK, so that was a fall from $120 and the dollar fell in purchasing power by 40% or more - but you are still many millions ahead of the game!

And amidst all this debt and chaos, the whole disaster is going to be rescued - or more likely, made a good deal worse! - by the deluded and irrational Donald Trump. I'm thinking here of the young female translator who could not translate into Italian something Trump said because she was laughing too hard:

What he said was, "America and Italy are two nations that have been in an alliance since the days of ancient Rome."
 
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Probably not. He still has a huge following many of whom believe every word he utters. A good proportion of US citizens don’t care about anything outside their locality which means Trump’s spats with other countries are irrelevant to them. MAGA!
 
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Probably not. He still has a huge following many of whom believe every word he utters. A good proportion of US citizens don’t care about anything outside their locality which means Trump’s spats with other countries are irrelevant to them. MAGA!
His madness has severe consequences - a $16 billion US government bond issue has just failed to sell.

That leaves the US government with one option - offer a much higher yield (i.e. interest payments) or cut government spending on social measures drastically. Either way, it will be the knuckle-dragging and impoverished MAGA crowd who are going to suffer!

("Does I look bovverred?")
 
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It’s how he negotiates. Chucks a grenade in the room, waits for the panic to ensue then offers an exit plan.

The only difference is he is now doing it with an entire country. Up until now it hasn’t affected anyone outside his business empire.

The man may be a complete buffoon but surrounded as he is by sycophants he will never know how much of a buffoon.
 
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He's an interesting person to study. Does he look in the mirror each morning, stare back at his reflection and say "time to put on the mask again"?

Or is he one of those people who completely believes they are the greatest of all time, helped by the nodding dogs that surround him.

There was a picture of him holding a newspaper in the back of the car a few weeks ago, with an article about him. Did he read it or did one of his people make up a story to tell him, whilst pretending to read it? "Jr wins again, number 1 best golfer on the planet and soon to be number 1 best soccer player of all time".
 
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I must admit that up until yesterday the consensus of my own thoughts on President Trump were that his unpredictability and general business orientated and transactional demeanor were not compatible with the Office he holds.

However, now, as of today June 22nd 2025 I believe President Trump is rightly and comprehensively fulfilling his primary duties.

President Trump, is now positioned perfectly to have a positive influence on World History.
 
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Or is he one of those people who completely believes they are the greatest of all time, helped by the nodding dogs that surround him.
I think we have all worked that one out all by ourselves!

President Trump, is now positioned perfectly to have a positive influence on World History.
By being led by the nose by fat, old and creepy Netanyahu and straight into a war.

But we must look at it on the fun side! Religious nut-jobs in Israel bombing religious nut-jobs in Iran. The loonies on one side believe that their invisible man in the sky is better than the invisible man in the sky on the other side. But the leaders on both sides have run out of road, so they throw the dice one last time. Men, women and children on both sides are being blown to smithereens - and it's live and all in colour! Woopee!

Remember the old saying "When all else fails, they take you to war!"
 
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None of the above. The likelihood of a nuclear weapon being used anywhere by anyone is virtually zero.

Iranians are not fanatical Muslims.
 
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The US already had a nuclear deal with Iran - independently inspected. Trump crushed it, said it was a bad deal because Obama was dumb (hint: he wasn't) and he wanted a new, big, beautiful nuclear deal, the Trump Deal...Iran said no.

Having nuclear material does not equal having a workable payload with launchers and enough range to hit anything important. Iran had 3.5% enriched uranium, not clean enough for use as a weapon - it's energy grade, low yield. You need 90% enriched and then you need a launch system - Iran doesn't have an air force, it doesn't have a navy with vertical missile capability...the US has bombed a country that had no way of using a nuclear weapon even if they had one.

This is exactly the same messaging we had with the second gulf war, Iraq - they never had a weapon or launch system capable of hitting the UK in 45 minutes, it was all twaddle to give a legal structure for war.
 
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Being an appeasnic has never worked in history - so why should it work now?
It would not - and those nutters in nightshirts backed down.

Iranians are not fanatical Muslims.
Yes, they are - they even arrest and kill women who refuse to cover their heads in strict accordance with some mad religious rules that someone made up.

Having nuclear material does not equal having a workable payload with launchers and enough range to hit anything important.
They certainly have cruise missiles that can reach anywhere in Israel and the international commission on the ground stated that they were at least two-thirds of the way to being able to make a nuclear bomb and they have enough right now to make a dirty bomb.

Trump is so taken by his own BS that he was easily maneuvered by Netanyahu into using those blockbuster bombs.
 
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Yes, they are - they even arrest and kill women who refuse to cover their heads in strict accordance with some mad religious rules that someone made up.
Those in control may be fanatical but to label a whole country as fanatical Muslims is wrong on every level.

One may as well label the whole Catholic Church fanatical because some have extreme views at variance to the general population.

And you can’t strap a nuke to a cruise missile. It’s the wrong type of weapons platform. I used to work for an organisation that built these things.
 
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Belief in an invisible man in the sky who always needs money strikes me as pretty extreme!

That can be applied to many countries though - not just Iran. Why is it always the middle east that gets carpet bombed? They're not doing it to North Korea?

My gripe is the legality of the action, the flimsy evidence. Iran is a sovereign state, just like Ukraine, yet Russia said Ukraine was a threat and we said it wasn't. We say Iran is a threat and it is a threat. How does that work? If we are preaching about sovereign states and national borders, we must uphold international law and abide by it, else we cannot use it as a stick to beat others.

Also, I think Trump was backed in to a corner with this one. He thought threatening would be enough but then had to go through with it.

As a by-product, the US military has actually come out of this quite well. The strike was precise, no/low casualty rate and sends a chill down the spines of those in China/Russia. The air defences saw nothing, the B2's and F35/F22's were almost invisible and conducted the operation without a single flake of paint being lost.
 
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Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.

Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.

So much for that guarantee. Can/Should we trust the USA again???

So much for "Security Guarantees". Trump doesn't know the meaning of friendship and oblication unless it suites him.
Ukraine is being sold down the Swanny by an arogant bully.
 
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    the bromance lasted a lot longer than I expected. I remember his first term he was firing people every other week. He ran out of people to hire and his term ended luckily in time before he had a HR problem.

    With musk he seems to have mainted relations for quite a while - basically gave musk all the reigns. Until he started to look week and then the sudden uturn in the relationship with musk accused trump of being on the epstein list.
     
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