Possible exploitation. Please give me some employment advice

[IanSuth]

Some of the questions are hilarious and one can read them all online - for those who are too stupid to know what sort of answers the powers that be expect -

When can a man hit his wife?

• when she talks back.
• in self-defense.
• on weekends.
• when she insults the Ayatollah.
• when she forgets to take the bins out.
• when she supports Kaiserslauten.
• never.

The real questions are here - https://www.einbuergerungstest-online.de/ (I tried it and got 27 out of 33 on the extremely difficult questions. The Light, Medium & Difficult ones are too easy!) The ones titled Prüfung simulate the actual test and are easy.

Nothing there surprises me! When I was in the Paras, the army didn't even discover that one of my fellow recruits was actually AWOL from The Scots Guards! He was trying to get away from his misses!

Record-keeping was just pencil notes on loose cards. Everything was remarkably sloppy!

German bureaucracy is the opposite. I phoned up the Bundesverwaltungsamt (Ministry for Administrative Affairs) about a letter that they had sent my mother in the 70s and they still had a copy of that letter!

They actually had full photocopied copies of the original British army medical records which made it very hard for the army medical board to not accept them as evidence. He had been unable to get some test or another done on base and so had gone to his wife's Dr who got it sorted but in doing so requested copies of the notes from the Army to aid in diagnosis.

He speaks reasonable German from living there for years and having a German wife and bilingual son.

 

[eteb3]

Might have been said, but it's far from impossible that when the kaleidoscope of immigration rules changes again, she'll need x years of NI contributions to get ILR/ELR/citizenship/renewal of status.

And while everyone *thinks* they're going home to Ukraine soon, soon looks rather a long way off.

 

[Newchodge]

Obviously the answer they want is Normans. Hello, William and Mary anyone?

Did William and Mary invade?

 

[Clinton]

Might have been said, but it's far from impossible that when the kaleidoscope of immigration rules changes again, she'll need x years of NI contributions to get ILR/ELR/citizenship/renewal of status.

And while everyone *thinks* they're going home to Ukraine soon, soon looks rather a long way off.

Many of the Ukrainians are unemployed. In our local group, there are doctors, lawyers, dentists and other who can't practise in the UK because their qualifications aren't accepted and they're doing minimum wage jobs. Some can't speak enough English to get work. I think there'd be quite a protest from MPs on all sides if any extension of stay is linked to NI contributions.

You'll be surprised at how many refugees genuinely want to go back, who can't wait to go back. It's a very different mindset to refugees from elsewhere. In fact, several have already gone back, seriously! If the war ends tomorrow, there'll be a flood of Ukrainian refugees who get on next flight, especially the ones with poor English skills and/or working in minimum wage jobs (which is pretty much all of them).

I support that, Ukraine is their home.

The UK needs immigrants as we're desperately short of nurses, care workers and others. If we can take 100,000 immigrants, I can see a case being reasonably made for us to take 100K skilled workers rather than issuing ILRs to 100K Ukrainians already here (unless the war is still going on at the end of their 3 year visa).

 

[Newchodge]

It's a very different mindset to refugees from elsewhere.

Is it? Most genuine refigees desperately want to return home, if only home were somewhere safe to return to.

 

[Clinton]

Is it? Most genuine refigees desperately want to return home, if only home were somewhere safe to return to.

It is different, yes.

Unlike with other schemes, the Homes For Ukraine programme gives them only 3 years. That's it. No route to ILR.

In their minds, the UK has always been a stopgap arrangement, not a permanent safe haven. They are not trying to build a life for themselves here.

 

[Newchodge]

It is different, yes.

Unlike with other schemes, the Homes For Ukraine programme gives them only 3 years. That's it. No route to ILR.

In their minds, the UK has always been a stopgap arrangement, not a permanent safe haven. They are not trying to build a life for themselves here.

Thank you. I am not convinced that means that, uniquely, Ukrainian refugees long to return home.

 

[japancool]

Did William and Mary invade?

They did indeed, in November 1688, with around 15,000 men and dozens of ships, and landed at Torbay.

 

[Bob Morgan]

They did indeed, in November 1688, with around 15,000 men and dozens of ships, and landed at Torbay.

Was Jeremy the 'Courier Royal' at the time?

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

Was Jeremy the 'Courier Royal' at the time?

Sort of I was delivering and important letter to the King the label said P45

 

[eteb3]

Unlike with other schemes, the Homes For Ukraine programme gives them only 3 years. That's it. No route to ILR.

Not many get ILR from anywhere these days: ELR was designed to do cut off that possibility.

there are doctors, lawyers, dentists and other who can't practise in the UK because their qualifications aren't accepted and they're doing minimum wage jobs.

Same with many of the Syrian refugees I know.

I agree with Cyndy: with the exception of the newness of the catastrophe (which of course when it starts, no one thinks will last as long it does), I don't see any appreciable difference between Ukrainian and other refugees that I've met. Among the Kurds, Afghans, Congolese, and Syrians I know, there is the same sense of heartsickness that sets in around five years in, when people realise that though they came only for Clinton's "stop-gap", and long to go home, they can't - either the threat hasn't reduced, or they now have culturally British children in British schools and no parent wants to uproot them to a society they barely know, far less understand.

I want a total Ukrainian victory tomorrow, Crimea included, but realistically I think we'll see this scenario play out among the Ukrainians, too.

 

[japancool]

A schoolfriend of mine was here as a Syrian refugee. He left with his family before the civil war started. I know he wants to go home, but doesn't feel safe doing so.

 

[IanSuth]

Not many get ILR from anywhere these days: ELR was designed to do cut off that possibility.


Same with many of the Syrian refugees I know.

I agree with Cyndy: with the exception of the newness of the catastrophe (which of course when it starts, no one thinks will last as long it does), I don't see any appreciable difference between Ukrainian and other refugees that I've met. Among the Kurds, Afghans, Congolese, and Syrians I know, there is the same sense of heartsickness that sets in around five years in, when people realise that though they came only for Clinton's "stop-gap", and long to go home, they can't - either the threat hasn't reduced, or they now have culturally British children in British schools and no parent wants to uproot them to a society they barely know, far less understand.

I want a total Ukrainian victory tomorrow, Crimea included, but realistically I think we'll see this scenario play out among the Ukrainians, too.

And of course the Chagosians who desperately want to go home - if only we hadnt left them all dumped in Crawley so the US could have a base on Diego Garcia. Until last November 23rd any born outside the UK couldnt even claim uk (or BOTC) citizenship due to the legal limbo

 

[Mr D]

Johnson announced that he was going to do something about that. He didn't. There is someone who wrote in the Guardian a few days ago about her role and the need for an overarching employee support framework. Unfortunately I cannot now remember her name or her title. (I must be getting older).

Police modern slavery unit would be worth contacting.
Not all slavery is manacles on the wall and a leg iron.

 

[Clinton]

And of course the Chagosians who desperately want to go home - if only we hadnt left them all dumped in Crawley so the US could have a base on Diego Garcia. Until last November 23rd any born outside the UK couldnt even claim uk (or BOTC) citizenship due to the legal limbo

I've mentioned the Chagosians in the forum before. It's absolutely, bloody disgusting what successive British governments did to them (including Labour governments)!

And the abuse is continuing even today with last month's ban on them returning to the islands and the UK violating international lega obligations - all to appease American interests, or British political interests or whatever.

 

[japancool]

It really is disgusting. You take someone's country, forcibly evict them,and don't even offer them unconditional British citizenship, which is the very least you could do.

 

[IanSuth]

I've mentioned the Chagosians in the forum before. It's absolutely, bloody disgusting what successive British governments did to them (including Labour governments)!

And the abuse is continuing even today with last month's ban on them returning to the islands and the UK violating international lega obligations - all to appease American interests, or British political interests or whatever.

I grew up in Horsham so remember the long running saga as they would regularly be protesting in Crawley when i visited (usually had a little stall in the town centre)

 

[eteb3]

And of course the Chagosians who desperately want to go home - if only we hadnt left them all dumped in Crawley so the US could have a base on Diego Garcia. Until last November 23rd any born outside the UK couldnt even claim uk (or BOTC) citizenship due to the legal limbo

Or the Afghans who interpreted for the Army and now languish in Skid Row hotels up and down the UK. The Government does now seem to rank them a little higher than dogs, but we still can't summon the political courage to do better by them.

 

[Newchodge]

Or the Afghans who interpreted for the Army and now languish in Skid Row hotels up and down the UK. The Government does seem now to acknowledge that they rank a little higher than dogs, but we still can't summon the political courage to do better by them.

Or, worse, those Afghan interpreters who have just been abandoned in Afghanistan.

 

[IanSuth]

There was a news piece a few months ago, some Chagosians visited, their old chapel and graveyard of their ancestors was overgrown and derelict, compared to the pristine pet cemetery for the US servicemen's pets.

That rather drove home the differing levels of respect

 

[japancool]

The Government does now seem to rank them a little higher than dogs

Dunno about that. The dogs got on the flight, some of the Afghan staff weren't allowed on.

 

[ethical PR]

Apparently, it is if you've left in the last 2 years.

Indefinite leave to remain (armed forces)

Indefinite leave to remain if you've left the armed forces - fees, who's eligible, how to apply.

www.gov.uk

Unless you're a Gurkha, because, you know, Joanna Lumley.

Because you know....Don't be a jerk. The Gurkha's rightly gained the right to live in the UK in recognition of their great contribution to this country bringing them in line with commonwealth soldiers. The change in legislation was brought in by Tony Blairs government (nothing to do with Lumley) but only applied but only for those who retired after 1997. From 2004 there was a campaign to equalise this to all Gurkha's. In 2008 Joanna Lumley became the face of the campaign.

 

[japancool]

Because you know....Don't be a jerk. The Gurkha's rightly gained the right to live in the UK in recognition of their great contribution to this country bringing them in line with commonwealth soldiers. The change in legislation was brought in by Tony Blairs government (nothing to do with Lumley) but only applied but only for those who retired after 1997. From 2004 there was a campaign to equalise this to all Gurkha's. In 2008 Joanna Lumley became the face of the campaign.

Certainly. But I don't see why they should be treated differently to other foreign nationals who have served in the British armed forces. A Rhodesian, or German, or an Indian, or in fact, any other national who had served in the British armed forces has made the same contribution as a Gurkha, so they should be granted the same rights.

The difference is, the Gurkhas had a celebrity advocate for them.

 

[Mr D]

Not many get ILR from anywhere these days: ELR was designed to do cut off that possibility.


Same with many of the Syrian refugees I know.

I agree with Cyndy: with the exception of the newness of the catastrophe (which of course when it starts, no one thinks will last as long it does), I don't see any appreciable difference between Ukrainian and other refugees that I've met. Among the Kurds, Afghans, Congolese, and Syrians I know, there is the same sense of heartsickness that sets in around five years in, when people realise that though they came only for Clinton's "stop-gap", and long to go home, they can't - either the threat hasn't reduced, or they now have culturally British children in British schools and no parent wants to uproot them to a society they barely know, far less understand.

I want a total Ukrainian victory tomorrow, Crimea included, but realistically I think we'll see this scenario play out among the Ukrainians, too.

Including Crimea the war is 9 years old this year.

Neither side is overpowering - so may be a while yet unless something changes politically on one side or the other.

Which can happen at any time.

Until then expect the fight to carry on.