Part time staff stealing

[justincase]

One of my part time staff members is stealing from me. He has another job which is his full time employment. After I have sacked him for gross misconduct, is it right or ethical or legal to inform his permanent employer?

 

[Bill Ryan]

I wouldn't recommend it.

 

[Paul Norman]

You would be advised, as per Bill's correct advise, to leave that alone.

If, however, you have definitive proof that he is stealing, you can tell the police. But we sure of your proof, seriously.

 

[internetspaceships]

Aye, provided you've got the proof and dismiss him correctly then I'd leave it at that and walk away mate.

There's another option though, if he's been with you less than a year you can dismiss him anyway without going through all the grief of the gross misconduct.

Personally I understand that you're probably livid, but just get rid of him and be done with it. Whatever you do, don't go off half c*ck on a gross misconduct if your proof isn't 100% concrete as it could bite you in the bum. Go for the clean simple solution if that's possible.

 

[tony84]

We had staff do this. Could never proove it without a shadow of a doubt, still to this day cant work out how they did it - even with CCTV!

That being said, if i ever caught any of my staff stealing and could prove it without a doubt, i wouldnt hesitate in pressing charges.

 

[ald1]

You can also instigate civil proceedings to recover the amounts stolen. You are then in the realms of the civil burden of proof, rather than the criminal standard which is much greater.

 

[HFE Signs]

Don't go there, you'll open a can of worms for yourself.. then you'll ask yourself why you bothered.. Its history now, let go of it..

 

[JohnnyCash]

For the people saying don't do it, would like it if the shoe was on the other foot...

You could end up losing a fortune from a thieving member of staff and bump into another employer later on and he'll say "oh thats unlucky - I fired him from stealing from me too a month or two before that and never bothered telling you..."

If you can't be bothered with the drama put 20p in a phone box and tell the new employer he's been fired and arrested for theft without giving your name. You wouldn't want someone else to stiff you with this employee so don't do it to someone else!

 

[HFE Signs]

For the people saying don't do it, would like it if the shoe was on the other foot...

You could end up losing a fortune from a thieving member of staff and bump into another employer later on and he'll say "oh thats unlucky - I fired him from stealing from me too a month or two before that and never bothered telling you..."

If you can't be bothered with the drama put 20p in a phone box and tell the new employer he's been fired and arrested for theft without giving your name. You wouldn't want someone else to stiff you with this employee so don't do it to someone else!

I've been in this position my friend, and this is why I posted a reply, my view still stands..

 

[LicensedToTrade]

If you can't be bothered with the drama put 20p in a phone box

You've not used a phone box in a long time have you? Try 40p minimum

 

[justincase]

Thanks for the replies peeps. Funnily enough, this guy scoffed when I found out another employee had been stealing and actually said 'I cant believe it'

I have hard cctv evidence that this person is stealing and will probably just let him go to save on the further time/hassle of dealing with Police etc etc.

I am livid as I trusted this person massively

 

[internetspaceships]

You've not used a phone box in a long time have you? Try 40p minimum

Remember when they were 2p?

To the OP, it's a b*tch when they do this, and yet people accuse us all of being hard *ssed employers don't they?

It's always the ones we don't expect.

 

[mhall]

Sorry, but if you have the evidence, call the Police. It's the right thing to do on every level.

 

[andygambles]

Call the police. They will then decide if to prosecute. They may even go and arrest him while he is at work

 

[WordWoman]

Whislt I appreciate JohnnyCash's experience in this situation, I do still agree with the others - his other employment is totally separate and you are likely to open an entire legal issue up for yourself, because I feel it would be almost libellous behaviour on your part. Unfortunately I can see a court ruling in favour of his rights, if you were to take this route. You can't go around badmouthing dodgy employees like that, for your own sake even though I know it is tempting, and you'll just have to have faith in karma my friend! Don't worry anymore about this guy - you've got him out of your hair, now let the universe deal with him! It will...

 

[JohnnyCash]

Saying someone was stealing from you can't be libel (or slander) if it was actually true.

Saying he's been arrested for stealing from you can't be either - and there is no middle ground there, he's either been arrested or he hasn't (you don't even need to mention guilt or not). So there would be zero he could do on that front there.

I honestly think the best way is to let the other boss know anonymously. I wouldn't want involved in the inevitable drama but do think its fair to let him know.

 

[Lucan Unlordly]

I stole an apple from an orchard when I was 10 years old.

Would anybody like to destroy my reputation?

Whilst doing so could we have a show of hands for everybody who HASN'T paid or received cash to avoid VAT for a job be it at home or work. Quick lets report each other.

Three cheers for those who have got away with drink driving, speeding, playing around with another woman. Lets sit outside the pub and see if we can catch somebody who's driving under the influence.

Did somebody just snort something man..... Call the Drugs squad...

Yes, the thief deserves his come uppance within the parameters of his terminated employment and the law but to sneakily call his current employer is a job that is one for somebody without sin like God..or a Catholic Priest.....then again maybe not....

PS: Johnny Cash. I have your album Live at Folsom Prison.

 

[mark dee]

FFS - gross misconduct etc ?

Just make sure you have all your ducks in a row and you have him bang to rights.
Get him to resign for his own good ie he could lose his other job and move on.

 

[DetectiveDenise]

It's really sad and frustrating but this is what invariably happens and I'm afraid the current employer should have carried out better due diligence on their new employees employment history as the employee may have lied on the application form about their previous employment if you didn't get asked for a reference.
Denise

 

[simon field]

I stole an apple from an orchard when I was 10 years old.

Would anybody like to destroy my reputation?

Whilst doing so could we have a show of hands for everybody who HASN'T paid or received cash to avoid VAT for a job be it at home or work. Quick lets report each other.

Three cheers for those who have got away with drink driving, speeding, playing around with another woman. Lets sit outside the pub and see if we can catch somebody who's driving under the influence.

Did somebody just snort something man..... Call the Drugs squad...

Yes, the thief deserves his come uppance within the parameters of his terminated employment and the law but to sneakily call his current employer is a job that is one for somebody without sin like God..or a Catholic Priest.....then again maybe not....

PS: Johnny Cash. I have your album Live at Folsom Prison.

Brilliant post Mr Unlordlylucan

Seems to me it's a simple case of wanting to mess things up for someone who's wronged, out of anger, ie revenge

Lots of squeaky-clean peeps on here i guess!

Simon