none for profit

[Walshie]

Hi in a debate at the moment about a none for profit organisation, question is do you need to register the organisation anywhere, not necessarily a charity organisation as this will be registered with the charities commission.

 

[Mr D]

Not for profit.... What?
A not for profit limited company that is also a charity would deal with companies house as well as charity commission.

 

[Scalloway]

It depends what you are planning to do
If it is not a charity or a limited company it may not need to be registered anywhere.

 

[Kev2017]

Registering a company or business gives it a legal status. If you don't register anywhere, you legally do not exist.

 

[billmccallum1957]

Lots of un-registered not-for-profit organisations exist around the country, most have informal constitutions, such as sports clubs or community groups.

You don't HAVE to register anywhere.

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

Not for profit ? !

Whats the point ! ?

 

[Walshie]

Thank you all, it is an after schools club. as for the point - sometimes people want to give back to the community and help out where they can, I'm aware this isn't for everyone but a little help and grace shown to others, who are felling the pinch goes a long way when your on the receiving end. I am also sure the parents are grateful for low cost childcare fees that are not going to cripple them.
appreciate the comments and responses.

 

[Mr D]

Not for profit ? !

Whats the point ! ?

Does it matter? Still run the same way and still pays for goods, services and staff. Just how profit is treated is different.

 

[Kev2017]

Thank you all, it is an after schools club. as for the point - sometimes people want to give back to the community and help out where they can, I'm aware this isn't for everyone but a little help and grace shown to others, who are felling the pinch goes a long way when your on the receiving end. I am also sure the parents are grateful for low cost childcare fees that are not going to cripple them.
appreciate the comments and responses.

Much respect for what you are doing. Best of luck. I'm a great believer in giving back to the community. I sponsor local charities and events.

Are you already running the after school club?

 

[Scalloway]

you will probably need an Ofsted registration.

http://www.outofschoolalliance.co.uk/ofsted

 

[Walshie]

Started in Oct, we have registered with Ofsted thank you.

 

[Kev2017]

Where are you based?

 

[Walshie]

It is based in Salford

 

[Kev2017]

It is based in Salford

Brill I have a colleague in Salford. Next time I pay him a visit do you fancy a coffee?

 

[Gecko001]

Lots of un-registered not-for-profit organisations exist around the country, most have informal constitutions, such as sports clubs or community groups.

You don't HAVE to register anywhere.

Good points so hate to be pedantic - but I will!!

These constitutions might look "informal" but in fact they are treated as formal legal documents by the law courts if there is a dispute.

Your general point is spot on, even if you do not register with a body, your organisation will be still governed by civil law.

 

[Mr D]

Constitutions also help resolve conflicts or prevent issues happening. And can define particular roles if using officers.

 

[Gecko001]

Registering a company or business gives it a legal status. If you don't register anywhere, you legally do not exist.

The business will not be an entity in law, but that does not mean that it does not have some aspects of legal status if it is not a registered company or registered with some authority. The name of the business under which a sole trader is trading for example, will in many cases be protected by laws such as "passing off" laws or trademark laws and the business's good will often have a significant value.

 

[billmccallum1957]

Good points so hate to be pedantic - but I will!!

These constitutions might look "informal" but in fact they are treated as formal legal documents by the law courts if there is a dispute.

Your general point is spot on, even if you do not register with a body, your organisation will be still governed by civil law.

I too hate to be pedantic, but the "informal constitution" I relate to is one where no written document exists, so there is no legal document, its simply a group of people getting together with a common interest.

This usually results in a formal constitution being agreed, but in the start-up phase, none exists.

I take this from personal experience where a group of community members got together to seek improvements in their community, eventually wrote a constitution and set up as a company limited by guarantee, but there was no document at the start.

 

[pen2670]

Might be worthwhile looking into becoming a registered charity if you're looking to fundraise opens up the option of raffles, etc

 

[Walshie]

Brill I have a colleague in Salford. Next time I pay him a visit do you fancy a coffee?

Hi Kev yes sounds good, there are only a few days where I'm free, usually Fridays but yes let me know when your next in Salford.

 

[Kev2017]

Hi Kev yes sounds good, there are only a few days where I'm free, usually Fridays but yes let me know when your next in Salford.

Will do