"NHS discount"

[Talay]

I thought long and hard about this NHS discounting this and in the end decided not to go with it.

I take the point of 1.2m or whatever potential customers but that is only if you have a national product. If you sell doughnuts in the High Street then 99.999% of that 1.2m will never know you exist. Of those who do, you're only discounting when you could probably achieve full price sales.

We have some historic discounts. Pensioners for instance. Why ? they have been better treated financially over the last decade than any other group. Council workers - again, a historic anomaly. So we're getting rid of all discounts and replacing them with a frequency or loyalty discount.

Keep your receipt and return within either a week (current for laundry) or perhaps up to a month and we'll discount your next order by 10%.

That way we're rewarding those who use our services, not someone who is shopping for the cheapest price or the highest discount.

 

[MOIC]

Of those who do, you're only discounting when you could probably achieve full price sales.

You can always 'achieve' full price sales. But say customers are directed to use your laundry services, that perhaps would have used a competitor laundry down the road, does that make 'business sense'?

We have some historic discounts.

Yes, but never have we had a situation where nurses are risking their lives, when it's not part of their 'normal' duty.

That way we're rewarding those who use our services, not someone who is shopping for the cheapest price or the highest discount.

So, no appreciation to nurses who may want to use your services?

What if you, you're loved ones or close friends were treated back to health by the NHS, would you perhaps adopt a different position?

Perhaps the 'discount' should be offered to those nurses who can prove they have been involved on the front line (in any capacity). Admin staff or management need not apply.

 

[Scottishgifts4u]

Just to throw a little bit of petrol on the bonfire the medical profession is no more at risk of dying from Covid 19 than the general population.

Not surprisingly care home workers are amongst the higher risk groups although the statistics do throw up a couple of surprises.

A security guard or taxi driver is understandable..but a chef?

 

[alan1302]

Just to throw a little bit of petrol on the bonfire the medical profession is no more at risk of dying from Covid 19 than the general population.

That's not correct though

 

[MOIC]

Just to throw a little bit of petrol on the bonfire the medical profession is no more at risk of dying from Covid 19 than the general population.

The general population should be staying at home during the 'lockdown'.

NHS medics have to work.

Viral load.

 

[Mister B]

I don't think that you do "get the whole thing" as it really has nothing to do with rewarding front line workers but it's a way of getting a potential 1.2m customers just as those offering discounts to police are only after 126,000 police customers or the 146,000 in the armed forces

Pretty sure that I do get the whole thing, just that my interpretation of the original post is perhaps a little different to yours.

 

[Mister B]

How would he be taken advantage of? With a total workforce of 1.2m if only 1% took advantage of his discount that would be 12,000 new customers potentially. If I were a retailer I would certainly consider that to be a great marketing ploy

Although it's not something that I would do, I can see the immediate appeal of attacting 12,000 new customers. The downside to the master plan is that you haven't considered the impact on the profit realised from existing customers:

Assuming that the NHS is the target market, there is a high probablilty that at least 1%, (taking the example as above,) are already paying customers. In effect then, the 10% discount being offered to new customers, will also need to be offered to existing customers. So, these 12,000 new customers are costing you 20% of your bottom line profit. (10% for the new customers and 10% being given to existing customers. )

So, if each customer has an average spend of £50, the sales line would increase by £600k, but at a cost of £120k. That's a hefty £120,000 to come out of your nett profit figure.

 

[Ian J]

Assuming that the NHS is the target market, there is a high probablilty that .....

I don't think that it is

 

[Scottishgifts4u]

That's not correct though

Healthcare workers, including those with jobs such as doctors and nurses, were not found to have higher rates of death involving COVID-19 when compared with the rate among those whose death involved COVID-19 of the same age and sex in the general population.

Latest from the Office for National Statistics. If I've read this wrong then enlighten me

The general population should be staying at home during the 'lockdown'.

NHS medics have to work.

Viral load.

I refer you to my quote above. Surely the fact they 'have to work' although nobody 'has' to work should show up as a higher rate of fatalities than the general public. I'd rather be a nurse than a bus driver but you don't get people clapping on a Thursday night for bus drivers.

 

[MOIC]

I'd rather be a nurse than a bus driver but you don't get people clapping on a Thursday night for bus drivers.

Spend an hour in a COVID-19 ward.

You'll re-think that statement.

A bus driver should refuse to work if they don't have adequate protection.

Nurses don't have that option.

 

[alan1302]

Healthcare workers, including those with jobs such as doctors and nurses, were not found to have higher rates of death involving COVID-19 when compared with the rate among those whose death involved COVID-19 of the same age and sex in the general population.

Latest from the Office for National Statistics. If I've read this wrong then enlighten me



I refer you to my quote above. Surely the fact they 'have to work' although nobody 'has' to work should show up as a higher rate of fatalities than the general public. I'd rather be a nurse than a bus driver but you don't get people clapping on a Thursday night for bus drivers.

You have read it wrong:

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/c...tly-higher-in-social-care-workers-11-05-2020/

Why would you rather be a nurse than a bus driver? The nurse has to deal with people that may have very high levels of CV19 - the bus driver is much less likely to...and the bu driver will certainly spend less time with individual people.

 

[Guy Incognito]

As if on cue, someone we *did* give a small NHS discount to has been complaining today and demanding more money off due to a 24 hour delay because of courier operational issues in her local area...

It's people like that who are the reason I don't want to do it. Totally ungrateful. Just using it as an excuse to try and get more money off.

 

[ethical PR]

Just to throw a little bit of petrol on the bonfire the medical profession is no more at risk of dying from Covid 19 than the general population.

Not surprisingly care home workers are amongst the higher risk groups although the statistics do throw up a couple of surprises.

A security guard or taxi driver is understandable..but a chef?

Can you quote the statistic that this statement is based on? It certainly doesn't stack up with any of the evidence I have seen; John Hopkins, Imperial College, Public Health England etc

Be useful to understand how a member of the public who is socially isolating and therefore not mixing outside of the one or two or three people in their household, apart from perhaps to go shopping, is at the same level of risk as frontline health workers who are treating covid patients every day?

EDIT

Just seen that you have misunderstood the ONS stats and therefore made incorrect assumptions.

 

[simon field]

A bus driver should refuse to work if they don't have adequate protection.

Nurses don't have that option.

Doesn’t every employee have the right to a safe working environment though?

Or are nurses/NHS exempt from the law on this?

 

[ethical PR]

Doesn’t every employee have the right to a safe working environment though?

Or are nurses/NHS exempt from the law on this?

Sadly there are many, many thousands of workers who don't have a right to a safe working environment whether they are on farms, in factories, working in health and care, on public transport, driving a lorry, working on a building site. or working in hospitality.

Just because there is legislation doesn't mean that it doesn't get ignored by some employers who put profits before the health and safety of their workforce.

 

[Scottishgifts4u]

You have read it wrong:

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/c...tly-higher-in-social-care-workers-11-05-2020/

Slightly confused. That says exactly what I did. That heath workers I.e doctors , nurses, paramedics etc not carehome/ social are workers are no more at risk than the rest of the working population.

Can you quote the statistic that this statement is based on? It certainly doesn't stack up with any of the evidence I have seen; John Hopkins, Imperial College, Public Health England etc

Be useful to understand how a member of the public who is socially isolating and therefore not mixing outside of the one or two or three people in their household, apart from perhaps to go shopping, is at the same level of risk as frontline health workers who are treating covid patients every day?

EDIT

Just seen that you have misunderstood the ONS stats and therefore made incorrect assumptions.

Can you explain the ‘incorrect’ assumptions please because I fail to see them.

I’m not arguing for arguing‘s sake. If I’m incorrect them I’d be happy to see the statistics or explain why I’m wrong with the ones I have posted.

 

[MOIC]

Or are nurses/NHS exempt from the law on this?

NHS management have ordered nurses (and other front line workers) that they must report for work ( even if there is inadequate PPE).

Any person working in a COVID-19 ward is subject to large amounts of viral load.

That's the difference.

 

[MOIC]

Can you explain the ‘incorrect’ assumptions please because I fail to see them.

Yes.

See my post above.

 

[Steve_g]

We get this a lot. We also occasionally sell directly to the NHS. we have been offering NHS orders as cost but only directly to the NHS. We have every man and his dog claiming to with with the NHS, for the NHS or is buying the item for someone loosely affiliated to the NHS.

 

[Ian J]

We have every man and his dog claiming to with with the NHS, for the NHS or is buying the item for someone loosely affiliated to the NHS.

Doctors and nurses all have an NHS email address so you could always ask them to confirm their email address before offering them a discount