Michael Jackson

[billie1]

A thread for everyone who wants to express their condolences for the biggest icon who has ever lived and a legend.

No one will ever break his music record and achievements.

I pray for his family.

 

[movietub]

recognised at 5
World famous at 11
Biggest selling album
Married Elvis Presley's daughter
Most expensive music video
Managed to turn white
Lived in his own theme park
Died young

ETC
ETC
ETC

And he was a singer, song writer, dancer, showman. A proper artist. Not to mention his influence on so many other artists.

The people who think he was guilty of peadophilia somehow still mostly liked him (a feat I'm certain no other suspected peadophile has managed).

Certainly a memorable life!!

 

[iArtist]

This isn't a general business topic, it's a time out topic.

re the biggest icon and legend, that's a matter of opinion.

I never bought any of his music so I guess that makes everyone who's music I did buy 'better' in my opinion.

Re everyone liking him..

He was of no interest to me then and he is of no interest to me now.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Must admit when you turn from black to white, that's certainly a special and somewhat unique feat.

I could bungee jump, visit space, sky drive, make a million pounds and do many other memorable and amazing things before I die. What I do know though, is I'll never turn from white to black, that's just something too far out of my grasp.

Rest in Piece Michael.

 

[iArtist]

I'll never turn from white to black, that's just something too far out

You've never had a good tan then?

 

[ginantonic]

I'll add my 10p worth...
if the US Congress did a minute of silence out of respect yesterday, doesn't that say how far-reaching his popularity was?!
There are no other artists/musicians around today anything like Michael Jackson, and I doubt there ever will be.
He just didn't seem to get any older, which, of course, was his wish, so that is why it has been such a shock that he died. Peter Pan lived forever, I guess we all though Jacko would, too.
As for the paedo thing, I am one of those who didn't believe he intended to do anything wrong. In his mind, what he did was innocent, he was mentally the age of the boys he befriended. The sexual bit came in when unscrupulous people got these boys to SAY something had happened. I don't believe anything did. End of.
Let's at least remember him for his wonderful talent, not the negative stuff?

 

[movietub]

This isn't a general business topic, it's a time out topic.

re the biggest icon and legend, that's a matter of opinion.

I never bought any of his music so I guess that makes everyone who's music I did buy 'better' in my opinion.

Re everyone liking him..

He was of no interest to me then and he is of no interest to me now.

Come to think of it I never bought any of his music - I don't think. It was just music that was out there and played a lot. As a genre it's not even the sort of music I like. But I like the talent and the soul. Surely we could all agree the man was the prime example of having 'the X factor' as it's now identified?

But I agree that he was probably not THE biggest icon or legend . Probably the biggest icon in the music industry.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

You've never had a good tan then?

If I tanned to the same colour as an african american person I doubt I'd still be alive. One might therefore suggest that it would be a rather bad tan

 

[iArtist]

Come to think of it I never bought any of his music - I don't think. It was just music that was out there and played a lot. As a genre it's not even the sort of music I like. But I like the talent and the soul. Surely we could all agree the man was the prime example of having 'the X factor' as it's now identified?

But I agree that he was probably not THE biggest icon or legend . Probably the biggest icon in the music industry.

If he wasn't so weird we'd have forgotten about him long ago. He knew how to be 'weird' too. I think it was more media manipulation than anything else.


I personally (and these are matters of opinion, not fact) think Freddy Mercury was the biggest and best song writer and performer. His death was a massive loss to the music industry. Michaels death is no loss at all. When was the last time he made any music?

 

[iArtist]

I'll add my 10p worth...
if the US Congress did a minute of silence out of respect yesterday, doesn't that say how far-reaching his popularity was?!

What is shows is how susceptible to media brain washing the public are.

Quite sad really.

There was nothing nice written about him prior to his death, there hasn't been for many years. Now suddenly it's 'saint jacko'.

 

[GRDCredit]

The other issues over the next few months - which will inevitably be driven by the media - will be arguments over the poor guys estate and there are bound to be several conspiracy theories about his death.


Geoff

 

[movietub]

What is shows is how susceptible to media brain washing the public are.

Quite sad really.

There was nothing nice written about him prior to his death, there hasn't been for many years. Now suddenly it's 'saint jacko'.

Oh come on! When I get home my girlfriend and I discuss what I we did that day. It doesn't mean I forget about our first date or any number of good memories. The fact we discuss tax returns more often than our romantic past is a symptom of being alive and living day to day life.

When someone dies you look back at a snapshot of their entire influence on your life.

And his influence on most peoples life was positive.

In your own example, you never paid a penny for his music. But have you never danced to one of his songs? Not ever?

You don't have to like his talent but its beyond reasonable opinion to not respect the fact he had a LOT of talent.

 

[Dawg]

Why isn't this in Time Out?

 

[biomed86]

I believe his last album was "Invincible" in 2001. Freddie and Michael did a song together! (I think).

Unfortunately, for everybody who isn't a fan of Michael Jackson, they will just have to deal with all the media coverage, because that is the nature of the media! Michael Jackson was a high profile celebrity, and when such people die, this is what happens. Same thing happened with Jade Goody - not many nice things were being said about her, but then when she became terminally ill and passed away, she somehow became the nation's faovourite.

I am a huge fan of Michael Jackson's music and showmanship, and for me that's how I'll remember him. As for his personal issues, I don't know if the real truth will ever be revealed. I was disgusted about his actions (whether true or not), but it didn't make his music sound any less good than I had previously thought it was.

Obviously we are all entitled to our own opinions, and Maichael Jackson will be remember in many ways, some good, some bad. But no one can deny the impact he had on the music industry, even if it was 20 years ago! He definitely deserves some credit for that.

 

[movietub]

Why isn't this in Time Out?

Give it another half hour and it probably will be

 

[Cornish Steve]

Why isn't this in Time Out?

It is. It is.

 

[movietub]

I believe his last album was "Invincible" in 2001. Freddie and Michael did a song together! (I think).

Unfortunately, for everybody who isn't a fan of Michael Jackson, they will just have to deal with all the media coverage, because that is the nature of the media! Michael Jackson was a high profile celebrity, and when such people die, this is what happens. Same thing happened with Jade Goody - not many nice things were being said about her, but then when she became terminally ill and passed away, she somehow became the nation's faovourite.

I am a huge fan of Michael Jackson's music and showmanship, and for me that's how I'll remember him. As for his personal issues, I don't know if the real truth will ever be revealed. I was disgusted about his actions (whether true or not), but it didn't make his music sound any less good than I had previously thought it was.

Obviously we are all entitled to our own opinions, and Maichael Jackson will be remember in many ways, some good, some bad. But no one can deny the impact he had on the music industry, even if it was 20 years ago! He definitely deserves some credit for that.

Plus the 80+ songs he has written but not performed since then. You can download the torrent now. Illegal obviously. They were written in secret as a nest egg for his children when they grow older. A handful were to be used at the O2 concerts and would no doubt have formed a base for a new album.

Thats what I heard - but the songs are certainly out there, and as illegal downloads go I would forgive anyone who wanted to listen to them!

 

[iArtist]

I won't be turning on the TV until this hoo ha and hypocrisy is over.

 

[billie1]

This isn't a general business topic, it's a time out topic.

re the biggest icon and legend, that's a matter of opinion.

I never bought any of his music so I guess that makes everyone who's music I did buy 'better' in my opinion.

Re everyone liking him..

He was of no interest to me then and he is of no interest to me now.

He is the biggest music legend. No one has ever broken his record. He sold over 120 million copies of the thriller album alone, needless to say how many albums he sold in total.

You not liking him doesn't change a thing. His legacy will leave on whether he is of interest to you or not.

 

[alex-m]

If he wasn't so weird we'd have forgotten about him long ago. He knew how to be 'weird' too. I think it was more media manipulation than anything else.

I personally (and these are matters of opinion, not fact) think Freddy Mercury was the biggest and best song writer and performer. His death was a massive loss to the music industry. Michaels death is no loss at all. When was the last time he made any music?

I think Freddy had perhaps the greatest voice I've ever heard, but his best years were also long behind him by the time of his death in the 90s. I don't think it's fair to judge whether an artist's death is a loss to the industry by their recent (or lack of) output before their death.

What is shows is how susceptible to media brain washing the public are.

Quite sad really.

There was nothing nice written about him prior to his death, there hasn't been for many years. Now suddenly it's 'saint jacko'.

I completely agree with this and it's really doing my head in too. This is the way of our media and culture though, so we'd better get used to it I guess.

 

[billie1]

If he wasn't so weird we'd have forgotten about him long ago. He knew how to be 'weird' too. I think it was more media manipulation than anything else.


I personally (and these are matters of opinion, not fact) think Freddy Mercury was the biggest and best song writer and performer. His death was a massive loss to the music industry. Michaels death is no loss at all. When was the last time he made any music?

How could you say Michael's death was no loss, you must be MAD. Have you seen the reaction of his millions and millions of fans around the world. How could you compare Freddy to Michael Jackson? Freddy certainly wasn't one of the biggest song writers as he sold a fraction compared to Michael Jackson.

You ask anyone in the world who Michael Jackson is and they would know. That should say alot!

Anyway I started this thread so people can show their condolences. You need to go and vent your frustrations someone else.

 

[iArtist]

Freddy wrote all the songs for the Highlander that was around 1985 he died in 1991 so not a whopping gap

I suspect he worked until he died pretty much

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury

Check out his statue

 

[iArtist]

How could you say Michael's death was no loss.

Easy

It was of no loss to me or anyone I know

the polls show 50:50 re the question

'was he the best blah blah'

so your opinion and mine are shared in equal proportions meaning neither of us have the monopoly opinion.

 

[stockdam]

For me Freddie Mercury was the best.

I've never been a fan of MJ but will admit that he was the biggest star of the last 25 years or so.

 

[iArtist]

How could you say Michael's death was no loss, you must be MAD. Have you seen the reaction of his millions and millions of fans around the world. How could you compare Freddy to Michael Jackson? Freddy certainly wasn't one of the biggest song writers as he sold a fraction compared to Michael Jackson.

You ask anyone in the world who Michael Jackson is and they would know. That should say alot!

Anyway I started this thread so people can show their condolences. You need to go and vent your frustrations someone else.

No one asked Jacko to write the songs for a major feature film did they? He never had the ability to do so.

'I'm bad' (grab crotch) was hardly a work of great literary skill.

 

[billie1]

Easy

It was of no loss to me or anyone I know

the polls show 50:50 re the question

'was he the best blah blah'

so your opinion and mine are shared in equal proportions meaning neither of us have the monopoly opinion.

I'm going by achievements, no one has ever achieved what Michael Jackson has achieved musically. That makes him the greatest music artist that has ever lived.

Even after years absence from the industry he was still able to come back and sell out 50 UK tour dates. Now name me an artist who has ever done that.

 

[iArtist]

For me Freddie Mercury was the best.

I've never been a fan of MJ but will admit that he was the biggest star of the last 25 years or so.

To me Freddy was to music what Shakespear was to playwriting

No one can compare

His Highlander tracks were phenomenal.

 

[billie1]

Michael's longevity was amazing. He has been in the limelight from 5 years old to 50 years old. Many artist would not beable to withstand this pressure. He was still able to produce album after album successful.

He was still know for his music up until the last day as he sold out all 50 UK tour dates. There must have been great interest in his music. Imagine if he had decided to do a world tour?

 

[ginantonic]

Stop whingeing! Michael's appeal was ageless - small children and grannies have not only heard of him, they actually LIKED his music enough to BUY it.
I, too am a very, very big fan of Freddie Mercury, but I'll agree that his influence was far less reaching than Jacko's, which admittedly has had millions thrown at it media-wise, no doubt contributing hugely to his success. And yes, he has sold far, far more copies of singles, albums etc than any other artist - so what if he didn't write a film score?
Give the guy a teeny bit of respect, even if you didn't like his music.

 

To me Freddy was to music what Shakespear was to playwriting

I take it your reference is to.

The comedy of Errors.?:|

Earl

 

[movietub]

To me Freddy was to music what Shakespear was to playwriting

No one can compare

His Highlander tracks were phenomenal.

Whilst Shakespear makes for fantastic study of language and he was a passionate wordsmith most people I have spoken to that have studied him admit the overwhelming evidence (and there is not a great deal of evidence concerning any of what shakespear did) is that he copied most of his work from lesser recognised playrights, and was used as a marketing machine to launch new works under his own name.

So I think its unreasonable to compare freddy to a copycat artist and the first great example of effective hype and celebrity in the media.

I have also visited Verona and can assure you it is not a coastal town as described by the great man... Imagine my dissapointment.

 

[alex-m]

Freddy wrote all the songs for the Highlander that was around 1985 he died in 1991 so not a whopping gap

I suspect he worked until he died pretty much

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury

Check out his statue

The statue is awesome.

He didn't write all the songs from Highlander though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Kind_of_Magic#Track_listing

But it doesn't matter, he was an excellent songwriter.

I stand by my point though. Was George Harrison a loss to the industry? James Brown? Or any other recent deaths where their recent output was nothing in comparison to their earlier, best work?

 

[iArtist]

Whilst Shakespear makes for fantastic study of language and he was a passionate wordsmith most people I have spoken to that have studied him admit the overwhelming evidence (and there is not a great deal of evidence concerning any of what shakespear did)

Ok, let me rephrase

I think Freddy is to music what the blokes (or women) were who wrote those legendary plays



What's in the name? It's the results I compare.

 

[iArtist]

Was George Harrison a loss to the industry? James Brown? Or any other recent deaths where their recent output was nothing in comparison to their earlier, best work?

No

Only Freddy lives on

And Will Shatner

(when he's dead, will live on for his contribution to comedy)

 

[An Oasis]

Cocaine alert!

Beware kiddies what happened to MJ's nose can happen to yours too…;()

 

[snakeeyes121]

Its amazing that a paedophile can be loved so much.
anybody who says he wasnt guilty open your eyes, a 20 million pay out, thats proof of guilt.
just wait a month or two and the truth will come out.
people who were close to him and his lawyers will be rubbing their hands seeing the $$$ signs.
even his sister couldnt say he was innocent, which speaks volumes.
anybody who still praises him is saying child abuse is ok.
SHAME ON YOU

 

[Iwillmakeit]

No

Only Freddy lives on

And Will Shatner

Gosh to be fair I find your comments very disrespectful.

I am 17 years old and Freddie Mercury to me is nothing compared to Michael Jackson. Out of 100 people picked out on the street I can find at the very least 3 Freddies (look harder and you might find your idol)

I can search the world for another Michael Jackson however I will never find one.

MJ was unique in so many ways. The amount of media exposure he has had throughout his life one can only imagine.

I was at the radio station where I present today and we were having a chat about this, and we all producers and presenters came to a conclusion that Michael Jackson will always be remembered for his work and he will be a legend.

In terms of Freddie Mercury, I can go to Spain and ask a randommer who he is and many will struggle to come up with an answer.

Before you comment anything darling on this subject have the decency to at least show a little bit of respect.

 

[Iwillmakeit]

Its amazing that a paedophile can be loved so much.
anybody who says he wasnt guilty open your eyes, a 20 million pay out, thats proof of guilt.
just wait a month or two and the truth will come out.
people who were close to him and his lawyers will be rubbing their hands seeing the $$$ signs.
even his sister couldnt say he was innocent, which speaks volumes.
anybody who still praises him is saying child abuse is ok.
SHAME ON YOU

I don't think you know the full picture here. Michael has always been innocent. He had never abused anyone. The children who made speculations all had rich attorneys in the background, getting ready to count the $! They knew that Michael was innocent but because something like this would ruin his whole career and image, a payout was going to be handed; guilty or not.

 

[ginantonic]

website copy you are out of order - at least respect the people who ARE affected by Michael Jackson's death, even if you so obviously can't respect him.

 

[alex-m]

Its amazing that a paedophile can be loved so much.
anybody who says he wasnt guilty open your eyes, a 20 million pay out, thats proof of guilt.
just wait a month or two and the truth will come out.
people who were close to him and his lawyers will be rubbing their hands seeing the $$$ signs.
even his sister couldnt say he was innocent, which speaks volumes.
anybody who still praises him is saying child abuse is ok.
SHAME ON YOU

Yeah, 'cause any parent who knew a man had really abused their child would be willing to forget it all and accept a pay off in exchange, letting the offender get off the hook to do it again

This "proof of guilt" as you call it is one of the biggest things that brings doubt to the situation. That and the fact that there is no evidence of course.

Shame on YOU for being so easily influenced by the media.