Links vs Articles

[RadiusBPO]

intitle:"extra large" inanchor:"extra large"
225,000 results


intitle:"cheap ipods" inanchor:"cheap ipods"
3670

I guarantee that it would be MUCH easier to rank for 'extra large' than for 'cheap ipods' - even though the 'figures' suggest otherwise.

Using your SEO methods you would need to find blogs about extra large to promote a competition with a large prize, I would have thought you'd find it easier to find blogs about iPods.

 

[Results]

Using your SEO methods you would need to find blogs about extra large to promote a competition with a large prize, I would have thought you'd find it easier to find blogs about iPods.

I'm not 100% sure I follow what you are trying to say, because we are talking about how effective article submission is - and to back up how effective you said it was, you used "intitle: inanchor:" to say that your keywords were really difficult. ?

The ease or difficulty of finding article sites/blogs etc. for a link does not increase or decrease the value of the link when you get it.

I'm saying that article sites are so rubbish for links that for me it is not worth the hassle/spammy link profile. Is that not what we are talking about?

 

[gemd89]

Working on customer testimonials and the upsell products for each product page.

Also working on product descriptions and making them more lengthy with keywords.

Gemma

 

[fisicx]

It tells you the number of sites actively targeting the keywords in the title and in their anchor text.

No it doesn't. All it tells you is the pages with the keywords in the title or anchor text. It certainly doesn't indicate if the sites are actively targeting those keywords (which is what you alluded to).

Suppose for example I have the page title 'cheap ipod applications'. I would show up in your 'allintitle' results for 'cheap ipod' when that obviously isn't my target. Therefore you cannot use the 'command'+keyword results as an indicator of competition.

Note: I've got a page at #1 for a two keyword combination. 13 billion results and allintitle of 1.5billion. Number of searches/month <20!

Sorry for going off topic Gemma

 

[gemd89]

fisicx - Do you have a name?

Thank - its all relative i guess and keeps my post alive!

Gemma

 

[RadiusBPO]

Gem, sorry but it's relevant to you. You asked if its better to host articles yourself or distribute them, I was giving a recent example of where they have worked well for me.

Here is one where I don't mind mentioning the keyword -

This site - financemate.co.uk/ Ranks on page 1 for 'Finance' and has mainly built links using article directories and press releases.
Alliance & Leicester also use mainly article directories for links to rank for some loan related keywords, so either listen to some anonymous guys online or look to see what sites ranking in tough niches are doing and decide what actually works. Oh Tesco Loans is another...


Having content onsite targeting a lot of long tail phrases is fantastic, in my opinion you should then shorten it and then spin and submit the teaser version linking back to original to all the top directories.

 

[Results]

Gem, sorry but it's relevant to you. You asked if its better to host articles yourself or distribute them, I was giving a recent example of where they have worked well for me.

Here is one where I don't mind mentioning the keyword -

This site - financemate.co.uk/ Ranks on page 1 for 'Finance' and has mainly built links using article directories and press releases.
Alliance & Leicester also use mainly article directories for links to rank for some loan related keywords, so either listen to some anonymous guys online or look to see what sites ranking in tough niches are doing and decide what actually works. Oh Tesco Loans is another...


Having content onsite targeting a lot of long tail phrases is fantastic, in my opinion you should then shorten it and then spin and submit the teaser version linking back to original to all the top directories.

1. I guess you'd agree that PPC competition is likely to be at least similar to organic competition? Lots of searches (according to the AdWords keyword tool) but next to no competition.

2. When I ordered the incoming links in order of PageRank - the top one was a PR4 with the anchor text 'Finance' - and this was NOT an article. The second one which was not 'nofollow' (PR3) was not an article either, the next seems to be a redirect (I think) - so again not an article.

This site is not (IMO) ranking a competitive keyword - and although the links may have mainly been obtained via articles (quantity)... THE MOST VALUABLE ONES (quality) have not.

Article marketing (via 'Free For All' sites) is not a good way to rank a site.

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I actually got into doing SEO after I employed a company to do it. They said 3 months for this, 12 months for that, etc. They mainly used naff links month on month. They got me a few results, nowhere near target - and they kept saying how they had "always got results in the past", "results take time", "proven methods", etc. but held me to the 'no guarantees' part of the contract (maybe fairly).

I was talking, pretty much by chance, to a rather 'big time' SEO - who asked me what they were doing to achieve results - so I explained. He said they may never get results due to the quality of the links and said that he would get me 8 quality articles (then another 8 a fortnight later) to show me the difference. Within a month I had top 10 ranks for dozens of words I'd been 'longing' for, visits substantially up, making money for the first time on the site.

I have trained with this guy and his associates (and in part work for him), trained others myself (to a smaller degree) and am confident, time after time of ranking sites successfully in a very short time.

My days of using/searching for any very low value links are behind me (unless Google decides to favour spam for some reason - then I'll go back). I find it a waste of time and that time is paid for by clients who want a good ROI.

 

[gemd89]

So results what method did you use? You say you used articles every fortnight but where did you put them?

Gemma

 

[RadiusBPO]

1. I guess you'd agree that PPC competition is likely to be at least similar to organic competition? Lots of searches (according to the AdWords keyword tool) but next to no competition.

2. When I ordered the incoming links in order of PageRank - the top one was a PR4 with the anchor text 'Finance' - and this was NOT an article. The second one which was not 'nofollow' (PR3) was not an article either, the next seems to be a redirect (I think) - so again not an article.

This site is not (IMO) ranking a competitive keyword - and although the links may have mainly been obtained via articles (quantity)... THE MOST VALUABLE ONES (quality) have not.

Article marketing (via 'Free For All' sites) is not a good way to rank a site.

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I actually got into doing SEO after I employed a company to do it. They said 3 months for this, 12 months for that, etc. They mainly used naff links month on month. They got me a few results, nowhere near target - and they kept saying how they had "always got results in the past", "results take time", "proven methods", etc. but held me to the 'no guarantees' part of the contract (maybe fairly).

I was talking, pretty much by chance, to a rather 'big time' SEO - who asked me what they were doing to achieve results - so I explained. He said they may never get results due to the quality of the links and said that he would get me 8 quality articles (then another 8 a fortnight later) to show me the difference. Within a month I had top 10 ranks for dozens of words I'd been 'longing' for, visits substantially up, making money for the first time on the site.

I have trained with this guy and his associates (and in part work for him), trained others myself (to a smaller degree) and am confident, time after time of ranking sites successfully in a very short time.

My days of using/searching for any very low value links are behind me (unless Google decides to favour spam for some reason - then I'll go back). I find it a waste of time and that time is paid for by clients who want a good ROI.

Again rubbishing things without sharing any information. The only info I have seen from you is about a tool site and starting a competition to win a voucher in order to get links.... You say they don't work, but they do and I see sites everyday ranking well using this method as well as my personal sites. With regards to wasting time, how can getting results be a waste of time?

'Finance' is quite competitive, it gets a lot of searches and would pay well through advertising if not affiliate / leads. From their links 11 have PR and 436 are PR0 apparently junk links (non www).

And what about A&L and Tesco, why are they using these links if they don't work? Why don't they offer a voucher as a prize to get some links??

 

[Results]

So results what method did you use? You say you used articles every fortnight but where did you put them?

Gemma

Generally on high (well PR3, PR4, PR5 & PR6) blogs. Some of which have been developed from scratch, some of which have been bought as fully promoted blogs, some the space has effectively been rented and some are just happy to publish an article for us because they are asked.

Again rubbishing things without sharing any information.

If you mean urls - that would be stupid - we are talking about deliberately affecting SERPs. As far as what we do - it's about getting articles and links on high(ish) value sites - whatever it takes. As an SEO you should be able to get good links too.

The only info I have seen from you is about a tool site and starting a competition to win a voucher in order to get links....

I'm not completely disagreeing here - but I have no idea what you're talking about with 'competitions' and 'vouchers' - I honestly can't think what I might have said about that... I'll take a look back at some point.

You say they don't work, but they do and I see sites everyday ranking well using this method as well as my personal sites. With regards to wasting time, how can getting results be a waste of time?

Articles on FFA sites pass very little benefit. To get any benefit worth talking about it either has to be done on a massive scale (obviously spammy) or only for low competition keywords - and even then 1 link won't have a massive effect. I'm not sure you are serious saying "how can getting results be a waste of time?" that's like saying "how can picking up pennies be a waste of time - I've collected £10 worth over this past 15 years" - sure, but getting a job would have made more money in less time. (It's that kind of thinking I am talking about - getting results faster in a less spammy way, less likely to be discounted, etc.)

'Finance' is quite competitive

Not according to AdWords. It is certainly not the 'conclusive, definitive guide'... but it would give a small idea.

And what about A&L and Tesco, why are they using these links if they don't work? Why don't they offer a voucher as a prize to get some links??

1. Someone else doing it does not make it good. I've heard people say such things as, "between 2 & 6% is the best KWD - because I analysed the top 5 sites in my niche". What they do is not necessarily right (assuming that they do it for links) they may do it for direct traffic?
2. I'm still not sure about this 'competition' thing. I'll take a look.

 

[sigurog]

Yep have to agree that links are links so get articles out to as many article sites as poss - but a good mix i think are ezinearticles, go articles, squidoo, hub pages and articler.

I try and stick to these ones because it give me a nice vairety but also they have pretty good Page Ranks. Hub Pages is deffo one you want to look at - really good quality and easy to submit!

With the duplicate content issue - I would not bother putting it on your website as well as submitting it to an article site as it will be viewed as duplicate content adn probs will rank you down for that.

For your own website try and update it with a 300 word article on something with your business. So for me I always write about an aspect of seo I am doing as it is on my mind and I know I can write 300 words easy.

Key points are to keep everything original and get good links from good websites - Jeez seo is pretty easy when you think about it hey!

 

[RadiusBPO]

Ok Results, now I understand. You have your own network of sites, right? + you guest blog for sites relating to your clients market?

In your opinion though 'article spamming' can be effective for low competition keywords. Given the weakness of sites for long tail fancy dress related keywords, this could be worth pursuing as adding articles to directories takes seconds.

 

[rugstoreonline]

google always giving priority to new articles,