Launching a new drink

I have the intention to launch a new drink when eveything falls into place, but there are a few areas I need help in.

I have most of the business figured out, but what is troubling me at the moment is taste/flavor of the drink.

Regarding the taste, what is the best way to develop a (new) taste and where can it be done? Approximately how much would it cost to have a company or someone to help me develop the flavor? Also, people who might be interested in different types of joint ventures where are they most likely to be found?

Any help regarding this subject is appreciated.
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Did'nt i see something similair on dragons den, and they turned the guy down flat because its a market impossible to penetrate because of the bigger boys holding the monopoly. you may want to think about this long and hard before spending any money at all. As you have not even got a flavour this would be a good time to pull out.
Just my opinion.
 
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ebonybailey said:
Did'nt i see something similair on dragons den, and they turned the guy down flat because its a market impossible to penetrate because of the bigger boys holding the monopoly. you may want to think about this long and hard before spending any money at all. As you have not even got a flavour this would be a good time to pull out.
Just my opinion.

Yes, was just thinking about it on Dragons Den.
 
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Hi Fellas, thanks for the responses.

It's not a pop so I'm not going to compete with coke and pepsi, and it's called an oligopoly not a monopoly when there are several big players in the market. I'm not naive and as I said before I have most of the business figured out.

Now to stay on topic - does anyone know where the flavoring of the drink can be done and how much it would cost approximately?

Cheers
 
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Hi

From what I can gather if you are looking for a flavour it all sounds a bit like you will be adding artificial flavourings to your drink am I right? well flavours and colours are a dying breed for most but how about producing your drink with natural fruits or vegetables and packaging them in enviro friendly cartons albeit there are so many natural drinks makers/suppliers out there you would have to find some jolly good outlets. However on the positive side there are many small cafe's/health food stores etc who provided your drinks went through all the stringent tests for safety etc etc may be willing to sell for you etc etc.
How were you thinking of selling your drinks? A stall at a trade fair offering samples might find you an outlet..what do you think?
Karen
 
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No experience in this area at all - but how about your local university? You need a food technology department I would think. Here in the Westcountry we have an organisation called 'Taste of the West' that promotes local food and drink - maybe there is a similar organisaton near you.
 
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anarrowmiss said:
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From what I can gather if you are looking for a flavour it all sounds a bit like you will be adding artificial flavourings to your drink am I right? well flavours and colours are a dying breed for most but how about producing your drink with natural fruits or vegetables and packaging them in enviro friendly cartons albeit there are so many natural drinks makers/suppliers out there you would have to find some jolly good outlets. However on the positive side there are many small cafe's/health food stores etc who provided your drinks went through all the stringent tests for safety etc etc may be willing to sell for you etc etc.
How were you thinking of selling your drinks? A stall at a trade fair offering samples might find you an outlet..what do you think?
Karen

Thanks for the reply Karen.

Maybe flavouring was the wrong word, I'm looking more to develop a new taste. It's not going to be a health drink of that matter. I'm going to place the drink in the energy/sports/action segment of the of the beverage market.

My intention is to sell the drink in the supermarkets and service stations, however this might be difficult to achieve as start up business but that is the objective.

Davidw: Good advice I shall look into that.

Cheers
 
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I'm another who is not up on flavourings/tastes, but your approach seems market led rather than product led. Market led products are difficult to establish a core value for, and are normally in the non premium part of whatever sector you are going into, and thus rely on big spend marketing to establish themselves.
You could consider going the Aqualibre route which was to establish the brand as a premium product by only supplying to health food shops in year one, then to delis and Waitrose, and then after the halo had been established, in year 3, to anyone. It was pretty, met a demand, was percieved as healthy: who cared that it tasted shite? (IMHO!). The chap who dreamed it up, a freelance marketing man, also persuaded Britvic to pay for all this...
So have analysis done of 5 competitors, meld the results, and off to market!
 
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Miss Meerkat

I developed some drinks a while back now so I am mainly drawing on my experience of that....juice/drink companies are a good place to start, and interestingly one of the "secret" ingredients in alot of drinks are fragrances. Often, a "tropical" fragrance will be added to a drink rather than a flavour, but the brain smells it and thinks it's a flavour. A very large fragrance house is Ungerer Ltd and they do flavours, fragrances and aromatics etc.

In terms of the cost of developing, there are probably 2 main options here. The first one is to use the deveopment team of a juice/drink company, they will usually cover the development costs if you place a reasonable order with them and assure them of ongoing business. The downside of this is that they could just nick your idea - best to find a copmpany that do not have their own brands or sales force as these gusy are quite likely to have very good contacts in the trade will find it easy to run with your idea. Your second option is to pay for the development. Depending on how quick you reach your approved formulation and what testing you may need to carry out (especially if you're thinking of making any claims), etc, can all affect the time it will take. A formulation will also be dependent on the pack you put it in (glass bottle v carton), bottling methods employed by manufacturer/packer, whether it needs to be refridgerated, whether any external factors will affect it's energy giving properties (sunlight for eg), the list goes on........ But at best, i would estimate a drink may cost £2k upwards to develop (and that's if it all goes swimmingly well, which is unlikely).

Not long ago I went quite far down a road to launch a drink into the energy market and my research/contacts suggested that a good way would be via convenience stores and garage forecourts using wholesalers. Only once you have a good trade with this lot will the supermarkets listen/talk to you. You will need to demonstrate that you can reliably deliver large orders and maintain good customer service levels - so a business start up would find that hurdle hard to overcome.

I hope some of this is helpful
lex
 
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amaze

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It is a hard market to penertrate but "innocent" did it as there product was a one off! Having said that the flavour of the drink is crucial to it being succesful unless its a functional drink... Even then it needs to taste good to a certain extent! I doubt flavouring houses will create a new flavour which is going to sell the drink on its own (they would just launch the new "cola" flavour), it needs to have some other benefits.

I think the product would have to be a niche to have any chance at all of being succesfull! Good luck.
 
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Mark Bateman

My wife work at a local supermarket which is part of a large chain - they are always looking ofr different products that maybe not always in Tescos Asda etc

They take a say large shelf of it and see how it goes - if it flys off the shelfs then they will have some more
 
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Whoa, I am overwhelmed with the responses =)

anarrowmiss: Cheers for the website, it's seems good to keep track of the news in the industry.

Dawg: Intersesting concept. I'm not going to position the drink as a premium drink nor a health drink and I understand that heavy marketing is necessary to create large awareness. It could work well launching the product in selected stores at first and later aim for more aggressive distribution. I have pretty good idea of how I want the drink to taste and I have a very clear opinion on how I want to market the product. Yes, market research is everything I'll have much sorted in the near future. I'm not familiar with Britvic, is that something you can elaborate on?

Miss Meerkat: Your post was very helpful, don't get upset if I send you a pm sometime =). I need more fully work out distribution channels and in what scale I want/can to produce before I dive any further. I need to find some juice and drink companies then, nice. Once the formula is completed do you think it would be wise to to have production in low-cost countries i.e Eastern Europe or even Asia, or will the transportation costs eat up the revenue? I guess when the business reaches a certain level this inevitable though.

Reakt: I don't understand your post. Was it aimed for this particular drink launching or was it a general piece of advice?

Mark Bateman: Yes, that is very good. Local shops are always nicer. Definitely something to look into.

Cheers
 
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Sorry to be negative but I agree with Reakt. I looked at this thread because I thought "ooh new dirnk - I wonder what flavour it is?" then got more and more bemused as I read the rest. And you really do need to know all about Britvic if you're going to be a player in the drinks market.

You have a lot of good ideas and the drive to succeed but IMHO you also need a passion for your product - are you sure you want to enter this very competitive drinks market?

Aqua Libre - was that the one that tasted like rotting melon?
 
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I don't know much about drinks business, but here are some ideas as an ex-auditor of the milk industry.

It seems to me that many companies are selling 'less for more' as time goes on. Look at the diet industry - pay more and more for fewer and fewer calories - a licence to print money!!!

In drinks, bottled water is big business already, based on public perception and fashion rather than health (in the UK, at least, where we have good quality drinking water from our taps).

Makes me think - for a new drink, perhaps put the least amount of added ingredients to achieve what you want to achieve in the mind of the buyer - a mere trace of something that gives it the "flavour" you are looking for (in reality or just the suggestion of a flavour)?

In terms of manufacturing, I'm assuming water and the bottling/packaging are the heaviest ingredients of the end-product. I'd therefore recommend adding the water at the nearest point possible in the distribution chain to your customers. If there is a choice of place of manufacture for the flavouring ingredients you need, do this where the combination of production cost and cost of shipping the flavouring to your bottling/packaging locations is minimised in the long-run.

It's a competitive business, but one where it seems that there are customers willing to try something different, for example as a new fashion accessory or "label".
 
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Hi, back again.

Dawg: I see, I'm not from the UK so I didn't know.

Arcadian: It doesn't really bother me that you are negative so you can be all the negative you want. Why would I not be able to know everything there is about Britvic? But thank you for seeing my drive =)

theMBA: Good post, a lot of nice hinters I will consider them.

I have a business/marketing model I will use as a foundation, a similiar concept exist in the U.S but not in Europe. What I need is to figure out the costs and exspenses starting with the formula development which according to Miss Meerkat would at best land at £2K. So we got one number so far.

Cheers
 
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If I had an idea for a drink, I would protect the recipe and then go to one of the big manufacturers and get them to produce it under license. That way they will provide massive marketing funds and you would get a small percentage of a hell of alot !
 
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If I had an idea for a drink, I would protect the recipe and then go to one of the big manufacturers and get them to produce it under license. That way they will provide massive marketing funds and you would get a small percentage of a hell of alot !

Nice one. You mean sell your idea to a company for example Britvic and indirectly working for them by providing your marketing plan and so forth? Have I understod correctly?
 
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The one place in the "drinks" industry you could make an impact with your own brand - Smooties. Blend your own flavor of fruit juices and sugars etc, they sell very well at my local shopping centre!

You could also sell them at supermarkets, and they've got that "healthy" appeal.
 
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Mark Bateman

This has been going for a couple of days - we stayed at the Hilton in Leicester a few weeks ago and this stupid barman who driopped the glass the first time mixed some sort of cocktail that was so refreshing - it has strawberrys and lime in it (ok with achohol) but if you could put that in a can that wasnt acholic then your there
 
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Miss Meerkat

Jonny said:
Miss Meerkat: Your post was very helpful, don't get upset if I send you a pm sometime =). I need more fully work out distribution channels and in what scale I want/can to produce before I dive any further. I need to find some juice and drink companies then, nice. Once the formula is completed do you think it would be wise to to have production in low-cost countries i.e Eastern Europe or even Asia, or will the transportation costs eat up the revenue? I guess when the business reaches a certain level this inevitable though.

Hi, sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
In terms of producing in low cost countries, the deciding factor here is the perishability (is that a word!?) of the drink. If it has a shelf life of a few days, this is clearly not a good route. However, if we're talking a red bull/coke type drink, then yes this may be a good idea. Distribution costs will be dependent on a combination of size and weight. I would allow an additional 5 - 15% of the product cost for distribution. You also need to mindful of time to deliver. If bringing in from abroad, you are likely to be using ships. When products arrive at customs, they usually sit about for a around a week wiating for customs approval then the lorries do their thing - could be up to another week (particularly if your volumes aren't massive - you won't get the same service as Mr Tesco, that's for sure!). If you're bringing in from Asia, you need to mindful of forecasting accurately for your stock requirements. an order will need to placed quite far in advance. Typical timescales might be production leadtime 30-50 days, shipping 3 months, customs and uk delivery 2weeks. There's not much room for error if you're product flies out (you're waiting months for your next delivery) or you're stuck with tons of stock with a sell-by date on that you'll have to clear at cost or less!!!
Bringing stock in from Asia also impacts on cash flow. the supplier will want payment soon after the order is placed 9what ever terms are agreed, but first order is likely to be pro-forma), but your stock is on the water for 3 months and by the time you ship it to customers and wait for their payment terms (60days?) you could be up to 6 months without cash!!!

Also, when I quoted my £2k dev costs, that was a best case, so please ensure you get quotes before you start using that for your startup costs. You've not said what type of drink you were doing, so that will have an effect, as well as the pack format.

Hope all this helps, feel free to pm me if there's anything else you might need help with.
lex
 
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dubaitrading

good on ya mate.. i've just become a distributor of a new energy drink by lamborghini and i think its always a good idea.. dont let others put you off with the negatives.

back to the point.. i would say think get raw materials (flavours, colours and items that make up a drink) and just experiment in your kitchen in small quantities.. best and cheapest way. once your happy with a few tastes, get it checked out from professionals (such as university research etc...) and than just a matter of registering it with a name and following the laws.

hope that helps!
ZAM
 
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dubaitrading

if any1 is looking to work for themselves and would enjoy supplying this product in their city or even certain regions.. please pm me for further information.

this product is an energy drink made by lamborghini and my mate has bought solo rights to supply in the uk.
we have no doubt that it would become the main competitor to redbull and is spreading like wildfire in birmingham already.

regards!
dubai trading
 
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if any1 is looking to work for themselves and would enjoy supplying this product in their city or even certain regions.. please pm me for further information.

this product is an energy drink made by lamborghini and my mate has bought solo rights to supply in the uk.
we have no doubt that it would become the main competitor to redbull and is spreading like wildfire in birmingham already.

regards!
dubai trading

lamborghini - didn't they used to make cars?

Not sure I'd fancy drinking something made by a car company? You'd think they'd have marketed it under a different name.
 
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good on ya mate.. i've just become a distributor of a new energy drink by lamborghini and i think its always a good idea.. dont let others put you off with the negatives.

back to the point.. i would say think get raw materials (flavours, colours and items that make up a drink) and just experiment in your kitchen in small quantities.. best and cheapest way. once your happy with a few tastes, get it checked out from professionals (such as university research etc...) and than just a matter of registering it with a name and following the laws.

hope that helps!
ZAM

Why didn't you just post a new thread, rather than responding to a thread that is nearly 3 years old!!
 
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