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Hi

I would like to start investing some of my monthly disposable income to enable me to generate a reasonable capital sum in 10 years time. What would be the best vehicle to do this. I already have a BTL property and pension but would like to find out if there is any other way or are these already the most recognised and best forms of investment.

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    Personally I think you already have the two best forms of long term investment.

    I would personally be wary of ******, was only a couple of months ago Bitcoin was supposed to hit £90-100k each, its down in the mid twenties now, a risky investment for most, but could pay off for some.

    Land, Gold, Silver, stocks and shares, investment funds are your main choices, but a lot comes down to what you want to achieve, how long you have, your risk to reward attitude etc.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies. Much appreciated.

    I've been considering land however I'm not sure how i would make money from it. Would it be selling it for development or building on it? Regarding gold and silver, would it be investing in gold, silver, lithium mining companies?

    Again, TIA.
     
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    I'm hoping @tony84 was joking about ******, though clever people will make money from it for some time yet

    Land comes in many forms, and can potentially make money in many ways - its all about a plan and a but of insight. I've known people build very credible incomes from beach huts and garages. You can rent just land for multiple purposes (subject to relevant permissions)

    A key question is whether you want passive or hands-on investments
     
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    Speak to a qualified financial advisor to start with and look at your tax planning. Some would say your average BTL or even pension plan are not the "best" especially with the latter. If your looking to invest ie small sums say 20k you could feed it into an ISA each year ...... tax tax free earnings.

    My overall advice is go speak to an advisor and then more importantly DYOR
     
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    The reason I mention ****** is because it is (or appears to be) very low at the moment.

    I put money into it 18 months ago. At one point I quadrupled my investment, then it tumbled. I am still up, but only by about 10% (still a pretty good return). To me that means now is possibly a good time to put money in. It might drop more if/when the recession hits but I think it will also go up again within 10 years.

    I think it has got to the stage where there is too much money in it for it to now fail (famous last words). I am not in the slightest pretending to be an expert because I am not - in my head there is a toddler sat in a room and what ever number they point at, thats its value. However there are various reasons as to why the value is low - the countries that generally allowed ****** mining turned against it. China also turned on it, but they did that previously and then bought a load of it (clever way to devalue it and then make a large fortune if I am putting my tinfoil hat on).

    I do not have a lot of money in it, like anything if I lose it I lose it. Its an amount I am comfortable in essence gambling with.

    Just to be clear, I am not saying bang £20k in there. I am saying maybe £1-5k.

    Put it this way, in the last 18 months its done better than my pension and thats being managed by professional fund managers
     
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    Stay well away from financial advisors - they all tell you the same (wrong) things including such drivel as 'diversify' and have a 60:40 spread shares to bonds.

    Why are they wrong - I'll put it this way. Record producer Micky Most was being criticised by some employee from EMI. He answered "Oh yer? Well if you know so bloody much, where's your Leer Jet? Mine's at City Airport, but where's yours?"

    In other words - if these people know so much, where's their country estate? Oh no! They're all living in pokey houses in some ghastly suburb and have mortgages to pay and drive leased cars. Never take investment advice from a poor person!

    As for cryptos - bloody Nora! Talk about a pump-and-dump Ponzi scheme! It is one giant series of scams. Period!

    And stay well away from shares right now - we are heading for a severe recession and share prices have to fall far further than they did already. And when they start to fall, shares in good healthy companies will have to be sold along with the zombies to cover all those margin calls that will happen. Today's share prices are inflated by debt - they were largely bought using margin accounts, i.e. with debt.

    House prices and land are also over-priced in the UK and the US. Wait until prices really come right back down to Planet Earth!

    Two things you can invest in - gold is one. Coins of the realm from the Royal Mint - and increase in nominal value is tax-free. It's the law!

    Please note - I say 'nominal' because gold holds its' value - for example, historically, roughly 200 ounces buys a house. Sometimes it falls to 100 and sometimes it shoots up to 300, depending on how financialised the housing market has become. Gold is money. Pounds, dollars and Euros are just currencies - fugazi - pixie dust. A dream.

    So here is my main investment advice - YOU! Invest in yourself first. Maybe it could be better machines for your company. Maybe it is education (always a great investment!) Maybe your children or grandchildren (we are only here for a short while- remember!)

    An investment is something that earns benefits. Sometimes that is money, sometimes that is things you might need and sometimes it is something that someone else needs.

    Wealth is the accumulation of assets - it is never the accumulation of currency.

    Assets are things that earn further assets. That is what investing is all about.
     
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    The reason I mention ****** is because it is (or appears to be) very low at the moment.

    I put money into it 18 months ago. At one point I quadrupled my investment, then it tumbled. I am still up, but only by about 10% (still a pretty good return). To me that means now is possibly a good time to put money in. It might drop more if/when the recession hits but I think it will also go up again within 10 years.

    I think it has got to the stage where there is too much money in it for it to now fail (famous last words). I am not in the slightest pretending to be an expert because I am not - in my head there is a toddler sat in a room and what ever number they point at, thats its value. However there are various reasons as to why the value is low - the countries that generally allowed ****** mining turned against it. China also turned on it, but they did that previously and then bought a load of it (clever way to devalue it and then make a large fortune if I am putting my tinfoil hat on).

    I do not have a lot of money in it, like anything if I lose it I lose it. Its an amount I am comfortable in essence gambling with.

    Just to be clear, I am not saying bang £20k in there. I am saying maybe £1-5k.

    Put it this way, in the last 18 months its done better than my pension and thats being managed by professional fund managers
    Conventional wisdom says don't invest in anything you don't understand - for all the vacuous noise around ******, I've met 3 people who actually understand it properly and they play the market pretty well

    That said, I'm partial to the odd punt in the unknown, in the clear knowledge that its casino cash, not solid investment.

    I should also add that I'm about to lose most of my investment in something I understand pretty well!
     
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    Conventional wisdom says don't invest in anything you don't understand - for all the vacuous noise around ******, I've met 3 people who actually understand it properly and they play the market pretty well

    That said, I'm partial to the odd punt in the unknown, in the clear knowledge that its casino cash, not solid investment.

    I should also add that I'm about to lose most of my investment in something I understand pretty well!
    I understand my pension as much as I do ******.

    ****** seems to have done better, but I put most of my money in the other big one (not bitcoin). Had I put it in bitcoin I would not have seen the gains I made so would possibly be down a little. I just got lucky, any other day I would likely have just followed the heard and put it in bitcoin.
     
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    Since others have put their 2p into the pot, I originally kept things vague to see if you wanted to divulge more info.

    From what you have said you have a buy to let already, depending on when it was bought, if over say two years ago, consider a remortgage, pull out as much as possible and try to get another BTL.

    Even with a housing correction, unlikely to be huge in the UK due to demand, as long as you are looking at the investment long term, I doubt it will be bettered. Small tip, get a property with an EPC of at least C rating, new rule changes are coming in shortly fromthe look of things.

    Wait another 3/5 years, remortgage those two and get a third and so on.
     
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    I understand my pension as much as I do ******.
    And it would be best if you stayed away from both! Managed pension funds perform notoriously badly, as have cryptos.

    So why do you do it? Oh yes, of course! Because you believed the old line about a pension being the right and prudent thing to do to secure your old age. The pump-and-dump merchants for cryptos and pension funds want you to give them your money. And you do!

    What you are doing in both cases is giving other people your hard-earned money. They want more for themselves and less for you! You might get some of it back - you certainly will not get all of it back. Not in real terms!

    And if you bought your Bitcoins or Deleriums or whatever via one of those ******-exchanges, you may well become one of the many, many punters that finds that if you try to cash out, your account gets frozen for some magic reason! (Just read the latest news about Coinbase and be afraid - very afraid!)

    As for managed funds, Warren Buffett bet one million dollars of his own money that an S&P-500 tracker fund would outperform any managed fund over ten years. No fund manager was prepared to take on that bet until Protégé Partners accepted the bet. After just eight years, Protégé threw in the towel and had to admit defeat - the tracker fund charging almost nothing (0.04%) was lightyears ahead!

    At the end of 2016, Buffett's index fund bet had gained 7.1% per year, or $854,000 in total, compared to 2.2% per year for Protégé's stock and bond picks – just $220,000 in total. And that dismal performance costs a 2% p.a. management fee and 20% of profits.

    Buffett wrote at the time "That 2% management fee plus 20% of profits means that managers are showered with compensation despite providing only esoteric gibberish in return!"

    The winnings went to charity.
     
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    From what you have said you have a buy to let already, depending on when it was bought, if over say two years ago, consider a remortgage, pull out as much as possible and try to get another BTL.
    Yes, i've been thinking about doing that. If the BTL i currently have works out they way i hope it's going to it's going to give me much more than any pension i'm paying into. Thanks for the advice.
     
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    Two things you can invest in - gold is one. Coins of the realm from the Royal Mint - and increase in nominal value is tax-free. It's the law!

    Thanks for the advice. What is the best way to invest in gold? Through the stock market by buying shares in gold companies or actually buying gold?

    Never heard of coins of the realm. i'll look into it a little bit more as you've piqued my interest!!
     
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    Yes, i've been thinking about doing that. If the BTL i currently have works out they way i hope it's going to it's going to give me much more than any pension i'm paying into. Thanks for the advice.

    Just bear in mind you need 25% deposit for a BTL mortgage, interest rates are still relatively low, rental stock on letting agents books has reduced 50% in real terms between 2018 to 2021, less supply higher rents. With changes in section 24 you might want to consider buying through a LTD CO. and you might want too look into starting a SASS pension. A decent property tax advisor will explain why.

    Make sure they know what they are talking about, you can potentially claim CA on all the assets in the property, such as the replacement cost of kitchens, bathrooms etc.

    Do not take my advice as gospel, DYOR.
     
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    And it would be best if you stayed away from both! Managed pension funds perform notoriously badly, as have cryptos.

    So why do you do it? Oh yes, of course! Because you believed the old line about a pension being the right and prudent thing to do to secure your old age. The pump-and-dump merchants for cryptos and pension funds want you to give them your money. And you do!

    What you are doing in both cases is giving other people your hard-earned money. They want more for themselves and less for you! You might get some of it back - you certainly will not get all of it back. Not in real terms!

    And if you bought your Bitcoins or Deleriums or whatever via one of those ******-exchanges, you may well become one of the many, many punters that finds that if you try to cash out, your account gets frozen for some magic reason! (Just read the latest news about Coinbase and be afraid - very afraid!)

    As for managed funds, Warren Buffett bet one million dollars of his own money that an S&P-500 tracker fund would outperform any managed fund over ten years. No fund manager was prepared to take on that bet until Protégé Partners accepted the bet. After just eight years, Protégé threw in the towel and had to admit defeat - the tracker fund charging almost nothing (0.04%) was lightyears ahead!

    At the end of 2016, Buffett's index fund bet had gained 7.1% per year, or $854,000 in total, compared to 2.2% per year for Protégé's stock and bond picks – just $220,000 in total. And that dismal performance costs a 2% p.a. management fee and 20% of profits.

    Buffett wrote at the time "That 2% management fee plus 20% of profits means that managers are showered with compensation despite providing only esoteric gibberish in return!"

    The winnings went to charity.
    My pension has a bit more in that my ******.

    I put the money in ******, I will now leave it. If in 5-10 years its a healthy sum I will take it out.

    As for the pension, its managed by a funds company. It has done more or less the same as every other fund, sometimes better, sometimes worse. Again, I am not touching it, it will sit there until I retire. They only take .2% as I used to work for them.
     
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    And it would be best if you stayed away from both! Managed pension funds perform notoriously badly, as have cryptos.

    At the end of 2016, Buffett's index fund bet had gained 7.1% per year, or $854,000 in total,

    My "managed" pension funds are beating that by a good margin. I was able to give up the day job at 55.
     
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    I mentioned above about seeking out professional advice, especially if you don’t know ‘what alternatives’ are out there, what avenues are maybe open to you, what’s the best route to pay the least amount of tax on your investments and for me the MOST important how to I keep control of my money to pass on to future generations.

    Now as others have mentioned who is a real ‘expert’, who do you trust probably none of them and you certainly don’t want to be giving them your hard-earned money if your able to manage your portfolio yourself …………… you’re using them to do your homework.

    I hate pension funds – why the biggest con going, put your money in the returns are crap, your money is basically locked into the “system” there are only set routes you can go down to take money out of your pension all of these are going to cost you. And to cape it all you can only take out 25% tax free.

    If you have not done so now look at your possible nest egg, go online and look at the many compare websites for annuities and see what monthly return you may get, you could be quite shocked what do you think 1m might get you?

    And don’t forget if you have a spouse or one other who you want to ensure has an income when you pass the rates are even lower and when you’re both gone guess who gets to keep your little nest egg.

    So, in my book I want to control my money, and I want to do it in the most tax efficient way, that’s where your homework path should be. Everyone’s tax situation is different so look at it carefully, the here and now and what you think it might be in the future …… tax planning.

    As an example, If you want to buy gold, do it through a self-investing ISA bung 20k in each year, 40k if you have a partner, do it every year ……

    BTL the same rules apply how are you going to manage your tax exposure, what if you want to sell a property because suddenly you need some cash. And not so long ago during COVID landlords were screaming they had no income as their tenants could not pay their rent. How would you coupe then?

    What if you have three properties and two have suddenly stopped paying, how are you going to prop up your property empire then if you’re relying on the income to live? And personally, I would only do it through a ltd

    There are no easy answers to investing, I just penned this as I just cannot emphasise enough please - please do your homework, and then do it again.

    For me it’s the biggest elephant in the room and a lot of people are going to find they have nowhere near enough pension income to survive over the coming years, why because they believed someone else had their best interests at heart

    Yep I am not a fan of the financial institutions
     
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    Thanks for the advice. What is the best way to invest in gold? Through the stock market by buying shares in gold companies or actually buying gold?
    If/when you buy gold coins or bullion, all you are doing is freezing the underlying value of your money. Pounds, dollars, Euros all lose value in the form of inflation and that may be running as high as 20% right now. The ONS can claim 10% with a straight face because they keep changing the basket of goods and services, conveniently forgetting that people change their purchases because of rising prices - the Sunday beef roast becomes the Sunday roast chicken - and so on.

    NEVER buy shares in any company you do not understand. Do they own their IP? What is the level of receivables? Inventory? Debts? Have you read all the covenants on debts? Are the insiders buying or selling and at what price?

    Gold/silver mines - have you studied the geology reports? Is Sprott Capital also investing? Has Rick Rule bought shares in that mine? Is it in a safe jurisdiction like Australia, Canada, or the US? What do their P&L and cash look like? Is the thing big enough to be a takeover target?
    Never heard of coins of the realm. i'll look into it a little bit more as you've piqued my interest!!
    Gold coins issued by The Royal Mint. Just remember that gold maintains its value. Fiat currencies always tend towards becoming worthless in the end.

    Mines are more volatile than the precious metals they dig up and junior miners (mines yet to hit pay dirt) are a funky way to play a very long game - I own 12, but they are extremely speculative and really only something my grandchildren will benefit from, if at all! One of those things one buys and forgets for at least 10 years!

    If you are itching to lose money, wait until the recession hits hard and is right at the bottom of 'The Valley of Despair' and then buy a tracker fund - probably that S&P-500 tracker. That way you know that your money is tied to the fortunes of the 500 best-managed companies in the US. Othe indexes are available.

    One market I am watching closely is water - it will become a very valuable commodity because there is too much of it in some places and too little in others - so those companies that specialise in pumping water/sewage/oil, etc. will prosper. Important is to know what IP they own. Here, insider knowledge is everything. It's one thing to read the P&L and see a healthy balance sheet, it is quite another to talk to someone in R&D about a new submersible bearing or water management system they have developed.

    It is important to remember that when the market tanks, good companies get sold off to cover positions in bad companies because of those pesky margin calls. So it's a case of waiting for the Big Recession again! In business, profits are made when you buy and realised when you sell.
     
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    Stay well away from financial advisors - they all tell you the same (wrong) things including such drivel as 'diversify' and have a 60:40 spread shares to bonds.

    Why are they wrong - I'll put it this way. Record producer Micky Most was being criticised by some employee from EMI. He answered "Oh yer? Well if you know so bloody much, where's your Leer Jet? Mine's at City Airport, but where's yours?"

    In other words - if these people know so much, where's their country estate? Oh no! They're all living in pokey houses in some ghastly suburb and have mortgages to pay and drive leased cars. Never take investment advice from a poor person!

    As for cryptos - bloody Nora! Talk about a pump-and-dump Ponzi scheme! It is one giant series of scams. Period!

    And stay well away from shares right now - we are heading for a severe recession and share prices have to fall far further than they did already. And when they start to fall, shares in good healthy companies will have to be sold along with the zombies to cover all those margin calls that will happen. Today's share prices are inflated by debt - they were largely bought using margin accounts, i.e. with debt.

    House prices and land are also over-priced in the UK and the US. Wait until prices really come right back down to Planet Earth!

    Two things you can invest in - gold is one. Coins of the realm from the Royal Mint - and increase in nominal value is tax-free. It's the law!

    Please note - I say 'nominal' because gold holds its' value - for example, historically, roughly 200 ounces buys a house. Sometimes it falls to 100 and sometimes it shoots up to 300, depending on how financialised the housing market has become. Gold is money. Pounds, dollars and Euros are just currencies - fugazi - pixie dust. A dream.

    So here is my main investment advice - YOU! Invest in yourself first. Maybe it could be better machines for your company. Maybe it is education (always a great investment!) Maybe your children or grandchildren (we are only here for a short while- remember!)

    An investment is something that earns benefits. Sometimes that is money, sometimes that is things you might need and sometimes it is something that someone else needs.

    Wealth is the accumulation of assets - it is never the accumulation of currency.

    Assets are things that earn further assets. That is what investing is all about.
    If you are right, this may be a great opportunity to get a few well-know shares or invest in index because shares always go up at the end and always pass the previous highs.
     
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    If you are right, this may be a great opportunity to get a few well-know shares or invest in index
    That's a big IF. There are no certainties - only probabilities!
    because shares always go up at the end and always pass the previous highs.
    No, they do not! The Jap[anese stock market reached an all-time high in 1990 from which it has never recovered.
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    Also, share PRICES may go up, but the underlying value as expressed in real assets such as houses or gold or land seldom does.

    In 1990 I bought shares in SGI. It went completely belly-up and took my money with it to the grave! That taught me to investigate companies properly!

    And as always, spare cash? Invest in yourself first!
     
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    When investing in gold are you talking in a fund of buying futures? or physical gold. I always thought about buying sovereigns and putting away or ingots/scrap jewellery but was never sure where to buy from at spot. I have about £25k worth of contemporary Art prints which has risen a lot but that is when ive been able to buy at source mainly. Banksy was a good investment but who knows if its at its peak now and its risky to store an6d has to be insured. Wine i looked at but its near impossible to buy crates of the good stuff from source. Stamps i know nothing about, Records I bought and sold but again hard to source at a good price. Have bought some whiskey but that hasn't moved since i bought few years ago. Trainers ive not looked at. I have about £50k in savings and the kids have some as well. Getting nothing in the bank and kids have occasional premium bond wins, so am looking to see if there's any machinery to buy which would create an income.
     
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    When investing in gold are you talking in a fund of buying futures? or physical gold. I always thought about buying sovereigns and putting away or ingots/scrap jewellery but was never sure where to buy from at spot. I have about £25k worth of contemporary Art prints which has risen a lot but that is when ive been able to buy at source mainly. Banksy was a good investment but who knows if its at its peak now and its risky to store an6d has to be insured. Wine i looked at but its near impossible to buy crates of the good stuff from source. Stamps i know nothing about, Records I bought and sold but again hard to source at a good price. Have bought some whiskey but that hasn't moved since i bought few years ago. Trainers ive not looked at. I have about £50k in savings and the kids have some as well. Getting nothing in the bank and kids have occasional premium bond wins, so am looking to see if there's any machinery to buy which would create an income.
    There are many machines which will produce an income. Buying machinery to manufacture products in my sector was the "game changer" However I started small and grew into it (I didnt have any choice) We are a sales business which happens to manufacture what we sell, not a manufacturer looking to sell what we make. Machinery which can earn significant returns tends to be expensive, which is great news if your business can support it,
    There is a caveat, its still a great deal of hard work to get to where you need to be if you want to create a business rather than a well paid job. Theres always a more productive more versatile machine out there which will give you an edge.
     
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    Stay well away from financial advisors - they all tell you the same (wrong) things including such drivel as 'diversify' and have a 60:40 spread shares to bonds.

    Why are they wrong - I'll put it this way. Record producer Micky Most was being criticised by some employee from EMI. He answered "Oh yer? Well if you know so bloody much, where's your Leer Jet? Mine's at City Airport, but where's yours?"

    In other words - if these people know so much, where's their country estate? Oh no! They're all living in pokey houses in some ghastly suburb and have mortgages to pay and drive leased cars. Never take investment advice from a poor person!

    As for cryptos - bloody Nora! Talk about a pump-and-dump Ponzi scheme! It is one giant series of scams. Period!

    And stay well away from shares right now - we are heading for a severe recession and share prices have to fall far further than they did already. And when they start to fall, shares in good healthy companies will have to be sold along with the zombies to cover all those margin calls that will happen. Today's share prices are inflated by debt - they were largely bought using margin accounts, i.e. with debt.

    House prices and land are also over-priced in the UK and the US. Wait until prices really come right back down to Planet Earth!

    Two things you can invest in - gold is one. Coins of the realm from the Royal Mint - and increase in nominal value is tax-free. It's the law!

    Please note - I say 'nominal' because gold holds its' value - for example, historically, roughly 200 ounces buys a house. Sometimes it falls to 100 and sometimes it shoots up to 300, depending on how financialised the housing market has become. Gold is money. Pounds, dollars and Euros are just currencies - fugazi - pixie dust. A dream.

    So here is my main investment advice - YOU! Invest in yourself first. Maybe it could be better machines for your company. Maybe it is education (always a great investment!) Maybe your children or grandchildren (we are only here for a short while- remember!)

    An investment is something that earns benefits. Sometimes that is money, sometimes that is things you might need and sometimes it is something that someone else needs.

    Wealth is the accumulation of assets - it is never the accumulation of currency.

    Assets are things that earn further assets. That is what investing is all about.
    RE ******/BITCOIN - I spoke to a board member of a London bank recently and he said the major banks are looking to bring these down and are waiting on a terrorist attack of scale that gives them permission to buy it out cheaply. Clearly they see them as a threat and the big banks run the world.
     
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    Clearly they see them as a threat and the big banks run the world.
    Until now, I think the banks assumed that this ****** bubble would go away and burst all by itself. But with so many naive punters buying into them and losing their money, they are beginning to wake up.

    After the cryptos blighted trust in banking in general and left tens of thousands to be victims of theft or locked out of access to their money, the Federal Reserve has finally decided to take on ****** hawkers and issue a warning the the 12 regional Feds https://www.federalreserve.gov/supervisionreg/srletters/SR2206.htm

    The Fed listed the following:

    “novel risks such as those associated with cybersecurity and governance”;

    “money laundering and illicit financing”;

    “significant consumer risks such as those related to price volatility, misinformation, fraud, and theft or loss of assets”;

    “uncertainty regarding the legal status of many ******-assets; potential legal exposure arising from consumer losses, operational failures, and relationships with ******-asset service providers”;

    “limited legal precedent regarding how ******-assets would be treated in varying contexts, including, for example, in the event of loss or bankruptcy”;

    “risks to financial stability including potentially through destabilizing runs and disruptions in the payment systems.”


    They also repeated the warning that cryptos cannot be a part of taxpayer-backstopped, federally-insured banks.
     
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    Even with a housing correction, unlikely to be huge in the UK due to demand, as long as you are looking at the investment long term, I doubt it will be bettered. Small tip, get a property with an EPC of at least C rating, new rule changes are coming in shortly fromthe look of things.

    Wait another 3/5 years, remortgage those two and get a third and so on.
    The UK housing market is driven by supply of capital not supply of houses

    As soon as either the govt turns off the tap of mad schemes (like help to buy) or lenders tighten income multipliers the market will fall as the buyers at the base of the pyramid will not be able to get on it until the prices drop to what they can afford.

    We are well overdue a correction and it has only been staved off by help to buy, stamp duty holidays, shared ownership for key workers etc etc.

    Start at the other end of things and think of a young couple earning reasonable salaries (say £27k each) assume a 20% deposit - then look at what they can afford (taking into account student loans and other living costs inc energy, food and transport etc) then look at the mortgage that can be afforded with that monthly amount. There is your market ceiling for a small 2 bed terrace or equiv

    Now do the same thing with higher interest rates
     
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    Start at the other end of things and think of a young couple earning reasonable salaries (say £27k each) assume a 20% deposit - then look at what they can afford (taking into account student loans and other living costs inc energy, food and transport etc) then look at the mortgage that can be afforded with that monthly amount. There is your market ceiling for a small 2 bed terrace or equiv

    Now do the same thing with higher interest rates

    First time buyers only require a 5% deposit, a company(Perenna) has just been authorised to offer 50 year term mortgages to reduce monthly charges down a bit. A correction is inevitable, it just comes down to how big a correction.

    Plenty of foreign investors snapping up property atm, but the large annual increases are slowing down for sure. Only time will tell, using your formulae, a two income family earning £50pa between them could afford a £200k house, yet most are now £230-250k, even a good hours drive north of London.

    I feel for today’s youngsters, but it was as hard in my day as well, I was gazumped three times in as many months before getting on the housing ladder. Supply plays a huge part of the price, along with supply of capital. If many more starter homes were built for instance, the price of similar properties would drop.
     
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    First time buyers only require a 5% deposit, a company(Perenna) has just been authorised to offer 50 year term mortgages to reduce monthly charges down a bit
    Another desperate prop at the peak of the market. Anyone using this would have to be insane (not to around 15 years old and with a life partner in order to retire mortgage free and use the joint income multiplier)
     
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    Very simply - and I am surprised that out of all the comments, very few even touched on this (which indicates a lack of understanding of investing).

    Here’s what to do - open a stocks and shares ISA with Vanguard UK. Select ‘Lifestrategy 80’ fund and put your money in there. Make a regular monthly payment into it. You can edit the fund you want when you understand more about it; which you will when you have skin in the game.

    If you have money in a Ltd company that you want to invest, open an account with Wise and you can invest in a Black Rock 100% world equity tracker through that.

    Check out these blogs:
    -Monevator
    -Mr Money Moustache

    Cheers
    Dick
     
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    Dinky

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    Here’s what to do - open a stocks and shares ISA with Vanguard UK. Select ‘Lifestrategy 80’ fund and put your money in there. Make a regular monthly payment into it. You can edit the fund you want when you understand more about it; which you will when you have skin in the game.
    This is exactly what I done a few years back after reading the awesome 'Smarter Investing' book by Tim Hale.

    If you have money in a Ltd company that you want to invest, open an account with Wise and you can invest in a Black Rock 100% world equity tracker through that.

    Interesting option! Isn't there tax and or other rules with regards to investing in stocks and shares via companies though? Doesn't the company have to be setup first as an investment vehicle? I'm probably chatting nonsense, I'm completely green on this subject!
     
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    One of the best investments to make is anything attached to the EV market. If you understand where the world is heading it's a no brainer.

    You have the cars, batteries, chargers etc

    And the real juice is in the mines, colbolt, lithium etc

    It's not everyone's cup of tea but I am confident that ****** will have its time, we are still in the early days. When you understand the future of the metaverse and web3.0, you understand ****** definitely has a future. But be careful and do your homework and don't expect this to happen overnight.

    The problem with ******, or should I say the problem with people is that they have unrealistic expectations of ******. It's volatile but it's very predictable, just look at the charts ( I'm mainly talking about BTC + ETH). Its not shares in a company, you don't just leave your money in there. Take some and leave some.

    The sheep buy when everyone's buying then cry when it drops. Then say it's a load of nonsense.

    But times like now people see it as worthless as it down. Instead of seeing it as it's cheap on offer.
     
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    Everybody is a bloody expert nowadays - except that they are not.
    Everybody is running the numbers without knowing what is behind those numbers - namely nothing.
    Everybody claims to have spotted The Next Big Thing.
    Everybody is reaching for a brass ring that is not there.
    Everybody knows the ship is sinking.
    Everybody knows that the captain lied.
    Everybody is in debt up to their eyeballs.
    And everybody knows
    That everybody knows.
     
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    Everybody is a bloody expert nowadays - except that they are not.
    Everybody is running the numbers without knowing what is behind those numbers - namely nothing.
    Everybody claims to have spotted The Next Big Thing.
    Everybody is reaching for a brass ring that is not there.
    Everybody knows the ship is sinking.
    Everybody knows that the captain lied.
    Everybody is in debt up to their eyeballs.
    And everybody knows
    That everybody knows.

    I Know What You Did Last Summer

     
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    Everybody is a bloody expert nowadays - except that they are not.
    Everybody is running the numbers without knowing what is behind those numbers - namely nothing.
    Everybody claims to have spotted The Next Big Thing.
    Everybody is reaching for a brass ring that is not there.
    Everybody knows the ship is sinking.
    Everybody knows that the captain lied.
    Everybody is in debt up to their eyeballs.
    And everybody knows
    That everybody knows.
    The Great Leonard C
     
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