How much per month for on-going SEO/Digital Marketing support?

K0608

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I know it's a bit of a how long is a piece of string question, but what's the minimum spend that a business might need to make per month to have ongoing SEO/digital marketing support (that makes a significant difference?

To put it into some context, my mountaineering website does fairly well on Google, as it's a domain that's been around for a while, but we're still struggling to get traction for certain keywords and I suspect that the whole site needs a bit of TLC from someone that knows what they're doing. I would love to see the business grow to a point where that I can pull back from the admin and hire someone in. I can then concentrate on the guiding, which is what I love.

I also feel that we're missing out on some key local business, but I'm not sure of the best way to tackle that (I have a very good idea of how well my competitors are doing as they all post on social media).
 
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It really is a piece of string question.

But how about £2000 to get everything set up then £500/month.

Back in 2018 you were advised to join UKBF as a full member and get your site reviewed. If you do this you might discover you don’t need to pay anyone to do anything.
 
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They could be a lot higher. One member here charges more than that per day.
 
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"How long is a piece of string" is really the only answer at this point.

What you need is a plan to get you to where you need to be, starting with your needs; e.g. how many leads/sales do you need, short, medium and long term, be realistic about what can you handle and whether you want to grow.

The SEO and budget will follow on from that as a research piece; e.g. what's your market like, where are the customers, if online what do they search for, is your website optimised for these terms, what is the market competition like and the competitiveness of these terms.

At that point you start to have an outline plan, now it may be that you've got good data and a great performing site now, so its about tweaking, but most people don't, or they wouldn't be looking for help.

They key here is turning this into a proper marketing and lead development plan; e.g. targeting the right customers and search terms, making sure your site and marketing work is optimised to analyse the capture and conversion of leads, so that you don't waste money on searches that won't/don't perform. This is about ongoing research, analysis, testing and onsite development work, it could even be PPC search driven initially to understand quickly what terms work, then ongoing content creation, website landing page and conversion path A/B testing to rank for the right searches and services to capture as many leads as possible online.
 
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Hi @K0608

As @fisicx says, it is how long is a piece of string? You can spend a ton of money on things and you can spend next to nothing. Just be aware that you often get what you pay for at the low end in the SEO world.

There are lots of cowboys around who will charge you $250 to do the square root of ....f....bugger all each month and then spit out a standard report from their SEO software. Come to think of it, lots of higher ticket agencies do that too. It's lazy and offers no insight into the work that has been done, what is working or the value the client is getting.

SEO is an investment and doing it properly with a real content strategy is going to be at least £1,500- £3,000 a month. It's also important that you pick your battles and identify the keywords and phrases where you can drive sales. This might not necessarily be the sexy products. It might be the most unexciting products on the site but these are often a great way to get people through the door and can deliver the highest profits.

Competitor research is also key. Through some smart backward-engineering of their websites and rankings, you can identify what they are ranking for, where there are opportunities and then go after their ranking. Sometimes, there is some very low hanging fruit.

This is the type of in-depth research you get for decent money. A low-cost agency is probably going to just do a few searches and then tweak some keywords.

Of course, you should always ask for proof of results or case studies to back up any claim of expertise. Lots of BS around in digital marketing.

A few other points that might be helpful. An SEO agency/company worth their salt should understand that:
  • SEO isn't just about keywords. Yes, keyword research does form the foundations of your SEO strategy but it more about content and building authority in your niche. Google wants to serve up websites that go the extra mile in terms of customer experience and give them what they want when they get there. That means ranking for search terms that will drive the RIGHT people to the site. It's not about the number of visitors, it's about the quality of them (Drive for show, putt for dough).
  • Not to focus everything on ranking for product terms. Google is pushing product pages down the rankings in favour of 4 paid ads and Google shopping. They're shysters and want your money! You could be in 1st position and still be 7th on page 1! You need to be more strategic and go after 'problem and question-based queries' that your audience needs answers to. It's low competition and still attracts people with the right 'intent' (excuse the pun!)
  • You need to build content hubs across the site. Google wants to see authority in specific areas. It's more difficult to build authority with single pages. Hubs of content (also called hub-and-spoke) enable you to create mini link networks on your site about specific subjects and prove a depth of expertise.
  • Content must be regular and high-quality. A so-called SEO agency pumping out 500-word blog posts with little substance will not deliver results. Long-form, authoritative content is what moves the needle. This is why SEO is not just keywords. It's a combination of technical, keywords, content and links.
  • SEO is a means to get people to the site but the site still needs to work hard to convert them, otherwise your efforts are wasted. That means seamless experience and payment on both mobile and desktop. Even the best SEO won't save a business!
  • And finally, like @Paul Carmen quite rightly said, you need to have a strategy in place to nurture customers through to the sale. If you have a conversion rate of 5%, then 95% of people are leaving without a trace. You need a way to capture emails and continue that conversation with an automated email series that converts warm leads into paying customers and then increases their spend further down the line. This should be the same strategy for every traffic channel. It also helps to give you a better ROI on your time, efforts and spend.

SEO is part of a jigsaw and all the pieces need to fit together. This is where many online stores fall down.

Hope that helps.

Matt
 
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good post Matt. Go take a look at the website review thread and you will see the problem.
 
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My company is spending around £500/month on digital marketing. However, we are a HK based company. It is really not an apple to apple comparison.
That seems pretty reasonable. A digital marketing company just quoted me approx £2.5k/month! I've no doubt that they would do a great job, but I don't have anywhere near close to that budget and I suspect that it's a case of the 80/20 rule. We could see a big impact by dealing with the low-hanging fruit.
 
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I have to say SEO in my opinion is very much dead and Google Ads is the new seo. With all the advertising on Google now even an organic first position could see you 10th on the page, after shopping, text ads and local listings
 
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Another mistake I made was to set up a website that solely focused on guiding people up the tourist path on Ben Nevis, which I then sold on to someone. The website ranks pretty well for the appropriate key words and now I'm regretting selling it on, as I would now like to rank well for those key words.
 
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I have to say SEO in my opinion is very much dead and Google Ads is the new seo. With all the advertising on Google now even an organic first position could see you 10th on the page, after shopping, text ads and local listings

If this is true, why have you launched a site based on SEO?
 
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Another mistake I made was to set up a website that solely focused on guiding people up the tourist path on Ben Nevis, which I then sold on to someone. The website ranks pretty well for the appropriate key words and now I'm regretting selling it on, as I would now like to rank well for those key words.
Then just do what you did before. You don’t need a new site. You just need to restructure, change the content, get a better theme, sort out the navigation, trustmarks, calls to action and booking form
 
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    I have to say SEO in my opinion is very much dead and Google Ads is the new seo. With all the advertising on Google now even an organic first position could see you 10th on the page, after shopping, text ads and local listings

    Yes, daft people click on the ads and don't know the difference, but the clients you want to attract that understand the defference between ads and organic ranking are the beauties.

    I've got a bagful of Google page 1 results, here's my research based on myself working to rank my own website:
    • Google page 1, position 10 - One enquiry a week for "SEO Freelancer"
    • Google page 1, position 1 - Between 10-15 enquiries a week for "SEO Freelancer"
    The other thing(s) are my boobs. The amount of woman in business specifically contacting me because they specifically searched online for Lady SEO UK, Female SEO UK, Woman SEO UK is crazy. These clients have the highest conversion rate, come to think of it I've probably got a 100% conversion rate.

    SEO is not dead.
     
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    £500/month is expensive if there is an absolutely zero in return. £10,000 a month is cheap if you get £20,000 worth of net results off the back of it. That is the way I look at any business spend.

    The above I suspect may make a few SEO companies nervous; they may not like talking in results. Personally always been happy to pay top market rates to any service provider who can deliver a result for my business. Few and far between and worth keeping hold of when you find them. So question is not how much, its what is the level of the return on capital employed/spent. You can start at any level. All marketing spend should be analysed for results.
     
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    £500/month is expensive if there is an absolutely zero in return. £10,000 a month is cheap if you get £20,000 worth of net results off the back of it. That is the way I look at any business spend.

    Yes, but you don't say how long you are willing to give someone to demonstrate this success.

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    The above I suspect may make a few SEO companies nervous; they may not like talking in results. Personally always been happy to pay top market rates to any service provider who can deliver a result for my business. Few and far between and worth keeping hold of when you find them.

    This is the thing. I've got clients today that joined a decade ago.
    The when you find them thing is missing something. A helluva load of clients come to me having either 1- Paid cheap and regretted it 2- Paid £2-3,000/month for 10 months with an agency and are legally bound to pay them the full term of 12 months when they find me at half the cost and initial results in 30 days.

    I posted on UKBF last year about my last agency experience. I'm currently onboarding another client who is waiting for his legal date to end so he can tell the agency to send me all their stuff.

    So question is not how much, its what is the level of the return on capital employed/spent. You can start at any level. All marketing spend should be analysed for results.

    But then there's the UX factor. I can demonstrate Google page 1 results and a 400% increase in traffic, but why is no one buying from our store? That's down to the business owner / decision maker not taking dev advice and UX advice from the team. Poor customer experience, slow loading website, oh I'm fun at parties, I could go on for days..
     
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    If you are hiring a top-level SEO company to execute a local campaign, expect to pay $500.00+ per month. A national or international campaign will require a minimum budget of $2,500 to $5,000 a month.
    If they are top level you will be paying that per day.
     
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