How many people here self-taught SEO?

[nitro23456]

your signature looks like spam...

thats because it is.

 

[MChisselhurst]

Well, to be honest with you, SEO is not terribly difficult to understand. It is something you can pick up within a few months - a broad overview of it, that it. Once you have this, it is then down to you how deep you want to go...

Learning SEO in depth is the difficult aspect, which requires you to continously participate in it as it changes so rapidly. Just think of Google Instant (real-time search).

 

[estwig]

i think anyone who sets out to self-teach within a field like seo (ie only mid level complexity) will make reasonable swift progress initially.

marketing is much like this as it has maybe only 10 key things to learn to be `useful` to most businesses. However, nobody self-taught will have the skills to get a job in an agency working for coca cola worldwide (much less picking up a contract for them yourself) and this will be true of seo too.

to be an expert at anything takes much longer and requires a very `long tail` of minor peices of skill and nuggets of knowledge. these take a long time to aquire if you self-teach. and some may be impossible to aquire if they are exclusive to a small group of experts.

therefore the best and quickest way to develop in a field such as seo would be to work with and be trained by existing experts (single or in an agency) and then set up on your own later.

if you rely on only yourself to develop knowledge you choose a very slow route and a very narrow range of experience


"A self-taught man usually has a poor teacher and a worse student. "

Henny Youngman

Although very good and valid points, it depends what specific goals you set yourself, when you first start down the road of self learning. If a goal is set and ascertained, the journey and the outcome can be very fulfilling.

General learning with the aim of fulfilling someone else's goals, is a very different fish.

 

[dagaul101]

Many people just learnt about it via trial and error, and then publish books on the subject, and are regarded as an authority if what they say pans out to be true. To be honest SEO is constantly changing, Google is constantly changing its algorithm so what may work now may not work in a few months time, nothing worse than paying for a course only to find out it is obsolete in the long run

 

[Tin]

Many people just learnt about it via trial and error, and then publish books on the subject, and are regarded as an authority if what they say pans out to be true. To be honest SEO is constantly changing, Google is constantly changing its algorithm so what may work now may not work in a few months time, nothing worse than paying for a course only to find out it is obsolete in the long run

In my experience all that changes is Google trying to stay ahead of the off site spam techniques of people trying to game the system.

I'm still building the same seo framework and structure into the content of a website that I was using over 10 years ago and apart from a range of nuances that yield good results essentially content seo hasn't changed.

Give Google what it wants and don't try tricks to gain advantage and you'll find that it won't slam the door shut in your face.

Ray

 

[SEO Lady]

I was 3 months into a new job before I was diagnosed as an SEO, I had been carrying out SEM duties for years before I found out what it was called. The doctor says there is no cure.

I have had two sessions of pure SEO training in the past 2 years. I have never read a book on the subject, just been on forums, read posts recommended by others and signed up for the Google webmaster blog. Oh, and watched a few YouTube videos.

 

[DIDAMEDIA]

I just wanted to say to everyone that I've used nitro23456's SEO service and it was absolutely brilliant. Within 5 days, some of the keywors that I worked so hard to get on page one was ranking 2nd place on Google after what he's tweaked for me!

yeah that is one meaning of SEO but this thread is dedicated to Small Elf Ownership.

We use the thread to swap funny stories about our little pet elfs.

 

[mobyme]

I just wanted to say to everyone that I've used nitro23456's SEO service and it was absolutely brilliant. Within 5 days, some of the keywors that I worked so hard to get on page one was ranking 2nd place on Google after what he's tweaked for me!

God! Spam in his footer, now spam in the forum. Give him another week and he will be spamming by e-mail.

 

[DIDAMEDIA]

Believe or not, it's not spamming, I did use his service and it did work. He asked me to write a little testimonial which I just did .

God! Spam in his footer, now spam in the forum. Give him another week and he will be spamming by e-mail.

 

[nitro23456]

I just wanted to say to everyone that I've used nitro23456's SEO service and it was absolutely brilliant. Within 5 days, some of the keywors that I worked so hard to get on page one was ranking 2nd place on Google after what he's tweaked for me!

Thankyou for your kind words. I'm glad you are happy with the service. Thats 100% of my clients thus far

 

[estwig]

Thankyou for your kind words. I'm glad you are happy with the service. Thats 100% of my clients thus far

Cool, your Mum knows how to post on a forum!!

 

[lulu1979]

I just wanted to say to everyone that I've used nitro23456's SEO service and it was absolutely brilliant. Within 5 days, some of the keywors that I worked so hard to get on page one was ranking 2nd place on Google after what he's tweaked for me!

For what keyword???

 

For what keyword???

"my mum"

Earl

 

[S-Marketing]

For what keyword???

Come on you two, this is the chance to clear your name and get some credibility. What keywords did you get them on page 1 for Nitro?

 

[nitro23456]

What keywords did you get them on page 1 for Nitro?

my mum .

 

[S-Marketing]

my mum .

Mate, that was your chance to prove you do know what you are doing, and it isn't actually your mum, mate or you on a different ip, giving you a recommendation.

 

[nitro23456]

I dont need to prove myself thanks:

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1020919&postcount=21

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1325454&postcount=5

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1359353&postcount=47

It wouldnt be very professional of me to give away a clients plan would it?

 

[estwig]

I dont need to prove myself thanks:

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1020919&postcount=21

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1325454&postcount=5

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1359353&postcount=47

It wouldnt be very professional of me to give away a clients plan would it?

WOW!!

You gotta lot of Mum's??

 

WOW!!

You gotta lot of Mum's??

You can't have a lot of mums.

But he could have loads of Dads.

Earl

 

[ksavage]

Self taught and got one of my sites on page 1 within 4 months.

 

[sam1]

I am very much self taught seo - I have literally read everything, i will buy a new seo ebook just to see if there is just one new amazing tip that I can implement in my business.

Before I started offering seo to others I did it for my own business so I am very much self taught. Five years ago I was ripped off over seo work and afterwards I made the decision to learn it myself and be better than the company that ripped me off and I am about there!!!

 

[MASSEY]

Thankyou for your kind words. I'm glad you are happy with the service. Thats 100% of my clients thus far

What would somebody get for £50 for one month?

An onsite tweak?

Backlinks? Do you have a little network of high pr links you have access to?

 

[nitro23456]

What would somebody get for £50 for one month?

An onsite tweak?

Backlinks? Do you have a little network of high pr links you have access to?

Hi MASSEY, since you asked

£50 is a starting point depending on the níche, what needs doing on-page, what keywords we decide need targetting, the amount of work I think is involved, competitiveness etc etc as i'm sure you would imagine.

I have access to various high PR sources for backlinks, 12+ years experience and also various techniques that I know work, some of which I havent seen mentioned anywhere else. Im not going to tell anyone what they are though i'm afraid

 

[chloe_wong]

as long as there are some true SEO experts who can teach you some basic knowledge of SEO, then, you could just practise on your website and get more and more experiences, it doesn't matter whether you go to a class or not.

 

[herodigital]

Hi MASSEY, since you asked

£50 is a starting point depending on the níche, what needs doing on-page, what keywords we decide need targetting, the amount of work I think is involved, competitiveness etc etc as i'm sure you would imagine.

I have access to various high PR sources for backlinks, 12+ years experience and also various techniques that I know work, some of which I havent seen mentioned anywhere else. Im not going to tell anyone what they are though i'm afraid

surely £50 wouldnt even cover communication and proposal costs...

 

[nitro23456]

surely £50 wouldnt even cover communication and proposal costs...

for me, £50 covers quite alot depending on what is involved, its on a case by case basis.

 

[headshotlondon]

I am self-taught SEO started around 4 years ago and now have all my services on the first page of Google for quite a few different terms. Self-taught to the point of additionaly doing SEO for large SEO companies I think the trick is to really like what you are doing ... I got into it myself and really enjoy it.

 

[seo next]

I am very much self taught seo - I have literally read everything, i will buy a new seo ebook just to see if there is just one new amazing tip that I can implement in my business.

Ditto, I buy every thing which comes in market just to make sure we miss nothing at all.

Still some of the best things we do are our own and no one else in the industry does them.

 

[Printscene]

I taught myself SEO.

title tag, meta tag, description, content and keywords.

 

[HonestSEO]

i have been living and breathing SEO for many years and i have found that the so called experts who write these books etc are very one sided and have usually based their experiences on 1 or 2 sites in not too difficult industries, yes the basics are the same but it is knowing where to place the techniques on site and how to link within and externally that reall matters and each industry will have its own set of guidelines needed to compete, the best way to explain is to say that if you had a hundred boxes that needed to be ticked to be a page 1 player on Google you must tick as many as possible, there may be some boxes that you cannot tick like how long your site has been live, a 10 year old site fully optimised onsite and offsite will fair better than a 6 month old site but that is why you should ensure that the whole site is compliant and the effort you put into it form now will pay huge dividends for the future. I have many clients who are page 1 for huge search terms such as "restaurants" and "investors" and i can honestly say that the key areas are web development and quality (not quanitity) external links and following the 3 steps below.

Try this.

Keyword analysis: Identify the search terms in your industry that are achievable and are getting some traffic.

Web Page Layout: Make sure once you have selected the right keywords you place them in the correct areas in the site so that the spiders can easily identify what product or service you are offering.

Linkin: Use the search terms again to internally link the pages together ensuring that the keywords your linking from go to the relevant pages. Also incrementally build external links using the search terms again to link back to the relevant pages in your site. Quality is better than quantity so research links properly, this is your business so spend time now and it will pay dividends.

Any probs reply to me and ill help where i can.

 

[SEO Lady]

Still some of the best things we do are our own and no one else in the industry does them.

No one? No one at all? How do you know?

 

[MASSEY]

I dont mind seo'ing my own site as you see the financial reward. But i dont think i would have initiative to work on someone else's site, i would get bored

Just reading the threads on this forum pretty much keeps you upto date with the seo world donesn't it.

 

[zigojacko]

Just reading the threads on this forum pretty much keeps you upto date with the seo world donesn't it.

Not really, there is a ton of rubbish posted on this forum every day which is a load of nonsense, sometimes, someone speaks up and tells them, sometimes no-one tells them.

There is a much much more to SEO than what you see on here, each time I visit the forum it's the same very basic SEO/PPC questions circulating, it's like everyone is incapable of using a search function or even browsing back a few pages... Nothing new.

 

[estwig]

Not really, there is a ton of rubbish posted on this forum every day which is a load of nonsense, sometimes, someone speaks up and tells them, sometimes no-one tells them.

There is a much much more to SEO than what you see on here, each time I visit the forum it's the same very basic SEO/PPC questions circulating, it's like everyone is incapable of using a search function or even browsing back a few pages... Nothing new.

Would you care to enlighten us with the magic muggets of info, are you just here for the b*tch??

 

[awebapart.com]

each time I visit the forum it's the same very basic SEO/PPC questions circulating, it's like everyone is incapable of using a search function or even browsing back a few pages... Nothing new.

One of the reasons for that is because when people use UKBF's search function and try words like SEO, the UKBF search function says there are no results!

I raised this issue (and solution) a while ago, about only 4 letter or bigger words being included in the UKBF search, but until UKBF does something about it, we are destined to have this Groundhog day format of people asking the same questions over and over again. Even when it does eventually get fixed, some people will still ask rather than search.

 

[zigojacko]

Would you care to enlighten us with the magic muggets of info, are you just here for the b*tch??

If you mean, "am I here to b*tch", of course not. Look at my post count and thanks ratio, I've contributed a lot to this forum and I enjoy particpating on here.

But I'm not going to bullsh*t you, if someone thinks this is all SEO is about, the same old posts about meta tags, nofollow links, keyword match types and pagerank then I'm going to say otherwise. 99% of the topics in this forum barely touch the surface of real SEO, and for many members, they seem to be happy spending all their time looking for quick fix SEO rather than actually getting stuck into the actual SEO and seeing results but that's up to them, it's just why I don't spend as much time anymore replying to the same people as I know some people won't listen to the correct advice time and time again.

 

[zigojacko]

One of the reasons for that is because when people use UKBF's search function and try words like SEO, the UKBF search function says there are no results!

I raised this issue (and solution) a while ago, about only 4 letter or bigger words being included in the UKBF search, but until UKBF does something about it, we are destined to have this Groundhog day format of people asking the same questions over and over again. Even when it does eventually get fixed, some people will still ask rather than search.

Well that's helpful. Heh.

Probably a large part of the reason why no-one bothers to search before posting questions then I guess.

 

[estwig]

If you mean, "am I here to b*tch", of course not. Look at my post count and thanks ratio, I've contributed a lot to this forum and I enjoy particpating on here.

But I'm not going to bullsh*t you, if someone thinks this is all SEO is about, the same old posts about meta tags, nofollow links, keyword match types and pagerank then I'm going to say otherwise. 99% of the topics in this forum barely touch the surface of real SEO, and for many members, they seem to be happy spending all their time looking for quick fix SEO rather than actually getting stuck into the actual SEO and seeing results but that's up to them, it's just why I don't spend as much time anymore replying to the same people as I know some people won't listen to the correct advice time and time again.

You proper got outta the wrong side of bed this morning, or what??

 

[zigojacko]

You proper got outta the wrong side of bed this morning, or what??

No, not at all... I'm quite happy today actually

 

[Asim786]

i was about to post a question about SEO but have used the search box and came to this thread.

As a new user I do see the same questions being asked every so often and they same information is given regarding backlinks etc when it comes to SEO.

I do agree there is a lot more to SEO than just the information given here but that information is easy to find if everyone is prepared to look for it.

I think a lot of people like me, are self taught but I would recommend a number of different sources to get your SEO knowledge and you won't fully understand it until it is utilised on one of your own sites. I have a smaller wordpress site that I use to test new SEO techniques when I come across them, if I see some positive results, I can then commit more time to it on my main site. But that is just the way I have utilised SEO.