How do you become #1 under a category in google

davenny

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I am sure someone has posted this in the past, but I wanted to link from the other posting of "Best way of getting traffic on your website" to How do you become #1 under a category in google.

I'll give an example, we are a mastermind organization. So we want to be #1 under the search term "Mastermind" or "Mastermind group",

We pull a lot of traffic, are #1 under a lot of random "name" related searches, but not mastermind.

SO....

I'm looking for help from all you experts

Erik
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SPiN - Super Powerful Networking has decided to Open Source its system; it is complete free to anyone who wants to start their own mastermind group. (Manuals, Materials, Website, Web-links etc.)
 

davenny

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Thank you Duane & James

I greatly appreciate your posts, first the reason we want “mastermind” is there is 4010 recorded searches for that key term in march on yahoo, I’m sure more on google. Also if we were number one under networking most people are looking for computer networking.

We are a very specialized membership organization dealing with the mastermind concept and principle.

We already come up number one for our name so this is not really a concern for me.

So any suggestions on how to move us up for this keyword and more importantly for everyone else readying this how to move up for any primary key word.

Erik
http://www.usspin.com
SPiN - Super Powerful Networking has decided to Open Source its system; it is complete free to anyone who wants to start their own mastermind group. (Manuals, Materials, Website, Web-links etc.)
 
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Google is a hard one. Its doable on msn quite quickly. Yahoo takes longer than google. You can get to page one on google, but how long you will last there, is another issue altogether.

I have had my sites listed on page one and number 1 on google for a good couple of keywords, but they always seem to disappear from page one after a month or so.

I think the surefire way is to have thousands of site linking to you via the word "Mastermind" not Mastermind Games etc. You will be guaranteed a good ranking that lasts. And the title of your site should also be just Mastermind and the description should include the word Mastermind. If you do that, on msn, you will be ranked quite highly for the word Mastermind very very quickly and without the need for too many links, just a few.

Google, on the other hand, if anyone who can truly figure them out, give me a shout please. I always seem to be up and down with them.

I followed this guy 'Micheal Cheney' to learn about web marketing and his methods are pretty sound.

Regards,

Shem
 
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daveashton said:
If you get SEO wrong you can waste a lot of time for no results

If you get seo wrong it can often do much more harm than if you never had it in the first place!

Done professionally seo will get a site owner top page one spots which will remain on page 1 for a number of years without really much on-going work although if you're targeting a single word which is massively competitive then you can expect much more work until you've got your desired positions. If you're targeting a 2 word phrase then it's quite often dooable to achieve page 1 with just the site content seo'd and the minimum of external links, in fact page 1 can be done with only in-site navigation and no external links at all for competitive keywords.

A site that has been seo'd which pops up on page 1 and disappears shortly afterwards (weeks/a couple of months or so) suggests that the seo it isn't able to sustain rankings through the small algo changes that occur in between the major algo changes, this is very common in weak seo work and implies an inadequate understanding of the solid principles of seo.

Mastermind games is a very easy keyphrase to achieve page 1 rankings for as the true competition is extremely low for this phrase, mastermind as a single word is very dooable but requires more work and I would suggest that you consider site theming in particular if you are wanting to target such words. 'Mastermind' as a single searched for word was used just over 14,000 times last month which is very low volume but you may still want to try and target it as you clearly feel it's an important one for you.

I followed this guy 'Micheal Cheney' to learn about web marketing and his methods are pretty sound.
Shem, did you follow this guy 'before' you had problems or afterwards as I'm not quite sure in what context you're mentioning him. If his methods are "pretty sound" then you shouldn't have any problems.

Being blunt about prices, if you're looking for professional seo work for under £500 I think you'd either be very fortunate to find someone to get you the rankings you require around or below that price or, very unfortunate and end up with someone who doesn't get the rankings but takes whatever money you've paid them. On that point... always... always and always check the company for known seo performance such as sites/keywords and telephone numbers of current/past clients whom you can ring up and verify the seo company can do their job.

One last point is that it doesn't require any seo for a website to actually come out on page 1 for it's name unless the name itself is especially competitive.

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Shem, did you follow this guy 'before' you had problems of afterwards as I'm not quite sure in what context you're mentioning him. If his methods are "pretty sound" then you shouldn't have any problems.

Let's say that I didn't follow his advice. His advice is very good and if you follow it, you should be gauranteed number 1 positions for years as they a solid principals that work.

He doesn't do it for you though, you have to read his book, video etc and he shows you how it's done. I have to say, I didn't do much of what he said but took elements of the course with me. Maybe that's why my rankings keep flactuating all the time in google.

If you visit his site, you can subscribe to free videos which will explain the basics of seo. And from watching those videos, I learned that it is not easy work done overnight. I guess I personally don't have the patience at the moment to create a good site that will rank #1 for ages.

Shem
 
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As expected the first result on Google for 'Mastermind' is the BBCs website - with 14million sites in competition. It will be very difficult at best to leapfrog them!

Mastermind Group will be much easier (for all three main search engines) but is it searched on enough?

Text links in to your site all using 'Your Keyword' will work best, the greater number (preferably related to your field) the better.

Also as stated above use your keyword as the first word/s within the Title tag of your site
 
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c2webdesign said:
As expected the first result on Google for 'Mastermind' is the BBCs website - with 14million sites in competition. It will be very difficult at best to leapfrog them!
Correct, Google suggests a competition for this keyword circa 14.5 million but that does not actually mean this is the true competition but rather the sheer volume of pages that contain the word 'mastermind' within Googles index. This is irrespective of whether all or any of those pages are targeting that actual word. Obviously, a large number will be intentionally targeting that word.

It is very likely that the true competition could be as low as just 10% of that figure as within that 14.5 million there exists many millions of noise pages whereby the page is not actually targeting the keyword in itself but is merely appearing in the results because that word is present on a page. The difficulty when analysing single word serps is in establishing the switch out point from sites that are very likely to be targeting the word to sites that are not targeting the word.
For example; when doing a search on Google.com for a two word keyphrase such as business forum, it initially shows the search competition as being in excess of 800 million, this is not a true figure of pages that are likely to be targeting those two words so cannot be called 'competition'. A more accurate competition figure is nearer to 5.5 million and even then, not all that 5.5 million will be targeting the two words business forum as there'll be a load of search noise associated in the 5.5 million too.
Drilling down into the 5.5 million there appears to be a switch point in the results at position 817. This is somewhat fewer than the 800 million Google indicated earlier as being competition.

Going back to the mastermind keyword, the BBC site comes up top for mastermind but with only 389 links going to the actual Mastermind page this suggests that the root site is responsible largely for it's 'mastermind' number 1 position.

Let's inspect some of the others on page 1.
Looking briefly at the 10th position on page 1 of Google.com for mastermind, this page
http://enchantedmind.com/puzzles/mastermind/mastermind.html
has only 27 links going to it and a Page Rank of 4. The home page of this site has a PR of 5 and just over 300 links going to it.

So from what looks initially like 14.5 million competition can be boiled down into factual competition and achievable targets by some simple analysis. It appears that a maximum of 264,000 pages are targeting the word mastermind although noise pages will still exist within that figure.

Leapfrogging the competition is a reality within quite easy grasp.

Competition should never be viewed merely by the volume of pages that occur for any given search term but by determining the true competition via known techniques and analysis.
Look at competition this way.

Is it easier to get a page 1 ranking for any given keyword if there's 10,000,000 pages showing in the results for that word but not one of those pages has been seo'd for that word! Or, is it easier to get to page 1 on a keyword that has only 100 pages showing in the results but every single one of those pages has been professionally seo'd?

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