How am I going to play my CDs now?

I'm with fiscx on this and, I could be wrong, but aren't some of you missing the point?

I don't want the faff of putting all my CDs onto my iPod

Surely the whole point of having an iPod is to put all your music collection on it including all of your CDs
I would have thought that the problem was the other way round in that if you want to play music in your car it was forcing you to buy an iPod
 
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Surely the whole point of having an iPod is to put all your music collection on it including all of your CDs
I would have thought that the problem was the other way round in that if you want to play music in your car it was forcing you to buy an iPod

Not for me, although I appreciate I may well be different.

I got my first iPod about 8 years ago , but have since upgraded.

Only my "top tracks" make it onto my ipod: I (& I don't think I'm different in this) mainly use my iPod in shuffle mode. Although I do have playlists for some "moods" (for want of a better phrase) I want to be able to put my iPod on shuffle and know that any track that pops up is going to be a top tune.

However, there are still occasions when I'd like to listen to an album - its a whole lot easier to look in my cd cupboard and see the spines of the CDs and decide what to listen to, than scroll through a load of images on a screen.

In addition, owning a significant number of CDs as I do, it would be a major faff to put them all onto my iPod. I must confess, though, when buying CDs now I will typically do so using Amazon as you get "Autorip" where the electronic version is also downloaded to your device for free.
 
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I do video editing as part of my work, and the last upgrade of the VERY expensive software package had one major snag. DVD is dead - no support whatsoever for DVD production, and the actual DVD authoring program I've been using for years has been dropped. The manufacturers gave anyone who wanted it the latest version that did have DVD functions, but that is that. It has been dropped. All my work used to be on DVD, but now more and more people just take a £20 USB stick as their end product. Even bluray seems to be dying - nobody asked for that in fair while now. CD and DVD are just 8tracks, cassettes and Betamax now!
 
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Is there a business model here for someone to rip CDs to MP3s, and set up an ITunes account for people who can't be bothered doing it themselves?

Receive a box of CDs, post them back and charge a fee per disk. In time you wouldn't need to rip much, you'd just use a copy you'd already done.
 
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Is there a business model here for someone to rip CDs to MP3s, and set up an ITunes account for people who can't be bothered doing it themselves?

Receive a box of CDs, post them back and charge a fee per disk. In time you wouldn't need to rip much, you'd just use a copy you'd already done.

I'd be surprised if it was legal. The law has only very recently allowed people to rip MP3s from their own CDs for personal use.

If someone's CDs were to be handed to a person who would rip them, then that would probably be considered illegal distribution - even if the CDs and MP3s are handed back to the owner. There would be nothing stopping the business owner from taking a copy of the music for themselves, and once that's done, the owner of the CDs would be liable for illegally distributing copyrighted content.

Basically, it's probably far too risky for the person who owns the CDs. Even the mere act of handing them over may be illegal.
 
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Indeed it would. My entire CD collection is on three computers, and the other 6 here can access them via the network, and the entire lot on my iPod - not my phone or iPads, because they don't have enough memory for so much music, of which I play very, very little - just the favourites!
 
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I do video editing as part of my work, and the last upgrade of the VERY expensive software package had one major snag. DVD is dead - no support whatsoever for DVD production, and the actual DVD authoring program I've been using for years has been dropped. The manufacturers gave anyone who wanted it the latest version that did have DVD functions, but that is that. It has been dropped. All my work used to be on DVD, but now more and more people just take a £20 USB stick as their end product. Even bluray seems to be dying - nobody asked for that in fair while now. CD and DVD are just 8tracks, cassettes and Betamax now!

Vegas still has DVD and BR support - and terrific plugs for colouring and slo-mo. Try that!

Anyway, all this talk of record players - we were so poor at our house, we had to play all our records on the sewing machine.
 
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I beg to differ with my system lol!
Of course you do, you've invested a lot of money. But you're wrong. :)

Are you suggesting that the "largest demographic" for listening to music in cars listens to it via non physical media as I believe that to be highly doubtful (excluding radio of course)
The music chart these days is basically the iTunes chart with little regard for the trickle of sales of physical media. So yes, as of now and going forward the largest audience is and will be digital.

People did grumble about moving from cassette to CD but that was mainly because they were being forced to buy the same music all over again which isn't the same as being forced to convert your existing CDs into some other format as your new car no longer has a CD player
It's exactly the same thing, and in fact is arguably slightly less annoying as you at least have the option of not buying it all a second time, you can just rip it yourself at no cost.
 
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The music chart these days is basically the iTunes chart with little regard for the trickle of sales of physical media. So yes, as of now and going forward the largest audience is and will be digital.

According to the BPI stats the big growth is streaming with services like Spotify and Deezer enjoying huge growth.

Sales of physical media and downloading dropped in 2014 with the largest percentage drop coming from the download sector.
 
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Oh of course I am LOL! You know what I have then?
It doesn't matter, you're in a car and you have human hearing. The difference between a high bitrate mp3 and a CD will be imperceptible.

However, if you happen to have a fully sound-insulated echo chamber for a car then perhaps you might notice the different although I'd ask that you please stop driving it as you are a danger on the road. ;)
 
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It doesn't matter, you're in a car and you have human hearing. The difference between a high bitrate mp3 and a CD will be imperceptible.

However, if you happen to have a fully sound-insulated echo chamber for a car then perhaps you might notice the different although I'd ask that you please stop driving it as you are a danger on the road. ;)

Well I believe you may be slightly less hearing efficient. As my IT job is not my only occupation, I also DJ and produce music. The difference between a high bitrate mp3 and a WAV file are completely different. The variation in certain frequencies of bass are very apparent between the two. For you not to hear it would render you with a hearing impairment or just pure ignorance.

When I sound check for different DJs, I know whom are using WAV made CDs and those whom take the option of putting more tracks on a CD through MP3 or USB. These DJs have to have a completely different settings to those who use WAV from their own productions. So, through this experience..... Also between my own car which has a £3k system in and my company car which has a bang and olufsen system in...... Yes I can indeed tell the difference :)
 
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I'd be surprised if it was legal. The law has only very recently allowed people to rip MP3s from their own CDs for personal use.

If someone's CDs were to be handed to a person who would rip them, then that would probably be considered illegal distribution - even if the CDs and MP3s are handed back to the owner. There would be nothing stopping the business owner from taking a copy of the music for themselves, and once that's done, the owner of the CDs would be liable for illegally distributing copyrighted content.

Basically, it's probably far too risky for the person who owns the CDs. Even the mere act of handing them over may be illegal.

There are companies that offer exactly this facility, particlarly those that sell high end multi room audio systems. One such example here: http://www.russandrews.com/product....&customer_id=PAA3089018315127VELBKQCKXSCWGOKT

John
 
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Well I believe you may be slightly less hearing efficient. As my IT job is not my only occupation, I also DJ and produce music. The difference between a high bitrate mp3 and a WAV file are completely different. The variation in certain frequencies of bass are very apparent between the two. For you not to hear it would render you with a hearing impairment or just pure ignorance.

When I sound check for different DJs, I know whom are using WAV made CDs and those whom take the option of putting more tracks on a CD through MP3 or USB. These DJs have to have a completely different settings to those who use WAV from their own productions. So, through this experience..... Also between my own car which has a £3k system in and my company car which has a bang and olufsen system in...... Yes I can indeed tell the difference :)
Although it was 20 years ago now, one of my final year projects at uni was working on an mp3 encoder so I have a vague understanding of it. I'm very clearly not saying there is no difference.

Now, we'll leave aside the fact that you're a DJ, and as such there's a good chance you've suffered a bit of damage to your hearing. But we shall presume that you are human and have human ears and are driving a non-insulated, standard car with an engine on a road and listening to music at a reasonable volume; the difference is not undetectable, but is, to a human, not noticeable.
To think otherwise is simply the bit of your brain that knows £3k for an in-car system is excessive trying to convince the other bit of your brain that believes it has super-human hearing, that it was a worthwhile purchase and not a waste. Placebo music if you will. ;)
 
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Although it was 20 years ago now, one of my final year projects at uni was working on an mp3 encoder so I have a vague understanding of it. I'm very clearly not saying there is no difference.

Now, we'll leave aside the fact that you're a DJ, and as such there's a good chance you've suffered a bit of damage to your hearing. But we shall presume that you are human and have human ears and are driving a non-insulated, standard car with an engine on a road and listening to music at a reasonable volume; the difference is not undetectable, but is, to a human, not noticeable.
To think otherwise is simply the bit of your brain that knows £3k for an in-car system is excessive trying to convince the other bit of your brain that believes it has super-human hearing, that it was a worthwhile purchase and not a waste. Placebo music if you will. ;)

So I guess you would believe that top producers to save money would use mp3 converted samples to make music, as opposed to WAV because there isn't a difference. You sir, are deluded!
 
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I see silly people are arguing over things they barely understand.

There are 20 grades of MP3 file, Spotify and iTunes both do not use the highest grade.

Producers (top or bottom) would not save money by using MP3 files.

MP3 algorithms have not changed since it was invented at the Fraunhofer Institute almost exactly 20 years ago!

So-called 'lossy' data compression does not effect the bass much, if at all, but it effects transients and HF.
 
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Through certain compressions the difference is noticeable to the trained ear. Just like vinyl to CD is noticeable. There is no 'placebo' in noticing a bass frequency with your ears. You may also find in the last 20 years compression is a lot different to what it used to be ;)
Okay it's cool, I get it, either you can't understand or want to ignore that fact that I'm not talking about actual differences but perceptible differences in a particular far-from-ideal situation that features a lot of background noise. I guess it ends here then. :D


I see silly people are arguing over things they barely understand.
...and people chiming in without actually reading the wording of the arguments. :rolleyes:
 
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Okay it's cool, I get it, either you can't understand or want to ignore that fact that I'm not talking about actual differences but perceptible differences in a particular far-from-ideal situation that features a lot of background noise. I guess it ends here then. :D

I guess the words Prius and double glazed windows means nothing? *shrugs*

...and people chiming in without actually reading the wording of the arguments. :rolleyes:

Here Here!
 
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But you two have achieved a milestone, by answering an age-old philosophical question that has puzzled some of the greatest thinkers of all time, starting with Plato.

At last we have an answer to the question - Do two people who don't know what they are talking about, know more or less than one person who doesn't know what he is talking about?
 
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It compresses at the very highest quality by a ratio of about 4:1 using a constant bit rate of 320 kilobits per second. Variable bitrate will, well, vary between 4:1 and 7:1.

So do you still dispute that a saving of file size from 4 to 1 or 7 to 1 would actually save disk space, thus confirming my point which, you oh so decided to comment upon the irregularities of...?

But you two have achieved a milestone, by answering an age-old philosophical question that has puzzled some of the greatest thinkers of all time, starting with Plato.

At last we have an answer to the question - Do two people who don't know what they are talking about, know more or less than one person who doesn't know what he is talking about?

Thus confirming my comment further that you have nothing credible to add, apart from discouraging a comment which you later referred to and made valid.

You sir..... are most certainly a tool of the highest standard ;)
 
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There are four important parts to hifi - source, amplification, speakers and room acoustics and it is the room acoustics that probably has the biggest effect on what you listen to so listening to music in a car is hardly ever going to be anywhere near high fidelity because of the poor acoustics coupled with ambient noise
 
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