Google listing without submitting

[4little1s]

Technically if you don't submit your site to Google, does it get picked up anyway when it goes out and looks for new content ?

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Google finds domains from domain registrations, from toolbar use etc as well as from links. So the simple answer is yes. I have never submitted a site to google. used to submit the same site 100 times a day to altqavist though when I was learning SEo

 

[4little1s]

Thks OldWelshGuy

 

[aberbotimue]

The links in your sig will be enough to get you picked up. How effectively it reads your site is a different issue.

its well worth looking at the google webmaster tools as it tells you when you have been crawled, and what pages it had problems with etc...

( would link, but not allowed yet!! - go to google, and select webmaster tools from the more dropdown menu, and if its not in that list for you, try the "even more, at the bottom of the list! )

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[noidea]

Technically if you don't submit your site to Google, does it get picked up anyway when it goes out and looks for new content ?

Don't submit to google will take around a year if you are lucky.

Go get backlinks (sites linking to yours). The most popular, the most it is updated daily or higher PR the quicker the link will be picked up. Site could be included within 2 weeks. The depth is unknown - maybe homepage initially. Your site will be penalised because its new. Google can take a while from indexing (check your logs/stats) to being shown in results.

 

[ozbon]

Don't submit to google will take around a year if you are lucky.

That's news to me - I normally find a submit works in a couple of weeks.

Mind you, I usually prefer now to use a combination Webmaster Tools, Analytics, and Sitemap in order to get Google to index a site quickly.

 

[fisicx]

The links in your sig will be enough to get you picked up.

Are you sure? I though signature links were nofollow.

 

[Subbynet]

Are you sure? I though signature links were nofollow.

It makes no difference during link discovery, it only makes a difference in the SERP's, so Google will happily follow and index any link.

 

[fisicx]

It makes no difference during link discovery, it only makes a difference in the SERP's, so Google will happily follow and index any link.

No quite correct I'm afraid.

http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/012410.html

Google will see the nofollow and will not crawl the link.

 

[24x7 Exchange]

Submitting doesn't hurt.

I've never found the need to do it as I usually just set up a few links from exisiting sites I have which are indexed. It's a good idea to keep some of your old sites up and running, even if you don't use them anymore.

I try to keep getting new backlinks for them as well from time to time to keep them fresh and frequently crawled. That way, each time I have a new site published, I just set a link on one of my existing sites and the new site usually gets crawled in a day or two.

 

[Subbynet]

No quite correct I'm afraid.

http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/012410.html

Google will see the nofollow and will not crawl the link.

Well, its a matter of words... (From Google)

...Meta tags can exclude all outgoing links on a page, but you can
also instruct Googlebot not to crawl individual links by adding
rel="nofollow" to a hyperlink. When Google sees the attribute
rel="nofollow" on hyperlinks, those links won't get any credit when we
rank websites in our search results....

I also have anecdotal evidence of using these forums for just this purpose of having Google find my link (in a sig), and then having it listed in the SERP's. (How, who knows - but it doesn't matter really ever)

The fact of the matter is this - it doesn't matter that this forum is "no follow", as someone else's browser can record it, someone else can link to it, and referrer logs can index the page and be indexed themselves by Google later - then entering the domain into the listings.

No Follow is a waste of time for all apart from Google themselves.

 

[fisicx]

Well, its a matter of words... (From Google)

...Meta tags can exclude all outgoing links on a page, but you can
also instruct Googlebot not to crawl individual links by adding
rel="nofollow" to a hyperlink. When Google sees the attribute
rel="nofollow" on hyperlinks, those links won't get any credit when we
rank websites in our search results....

No Follow is a waste of time for all apart from Google themselves.

The spider will not crawl the links - that's what google says. Nofollow is respected by all the major browsers so it's an easy way to hide folders from the spiders.

But if you can show that google has followed a link to your site via a signature in this forum (by whatever means) then I'm happy to be proven wrong (it's how I learn things).

 

[Subbynet]

The spider will not crawl the links - that's what google says. Nofollow is respected by all the major browsers so it's an easy way to hide folders from the spiders.

But if you can show that google has followed a link to your site via a signature in this forum (by whatever means) then I'm happy to be proven wrong (it's how I learn things).

TBH I can't be bothered to prove you wrong (You and I both know its impossible, thats why I said anedotal evidence!), I have better ways to spend my time, but alas to say, if you put your Domain name in your sig, I am willing to bet hard cash that it will be indexed within a few days. (No Follow or Not)

And, frankly this talk of "no follow" is a moot point anyway in this regard, as you aren't linking to a "Page", but a complete "Site" which is listed on a forum, that means hundreds of eyes have already seen it, many will have clicked it (leaving evidence along the way possibly by Google Toolbar), some will have recommended you on other forums posts, and others will have passed the link on to their friends.

I would advise everyone to add their site to their sig, as it makes sense not too, and I again bet money you will see benefits from it.

 

[noidea]

That's news to me - I normally find a submit works in a couple of weeks.

Mind you, I usually prefer now to use a combination Webmaster Tools, Analytics, and Sitemap in order to get Google to index a site quickly.

Have you not promoted it anywhere else when you submitted it?

Submitting a Google Sitemap is indeed a much faster method.

Google may have changed its policy on including website submitted to it by now - I don't know. I made the submit mistake on my first ever website back-in-the-day, now I go for the backlink route, update services for blogs and sitemaps.

 

[noidea]

I have a addon for firefox that highlight links with the no follow attribute and signature links don't have them.

"noindex" will mean the page will not be followed/index so will be ignored
"nofollow" (in an a tag or in meta) Google will follow but not index it.

 

[fisicx]

"noindex" will mean the page will not be followed/index so will be ignored
"nofollow" (in an a tag or in meta) Google will follow but not index it.

If it's not indexed then it won't appear in the index and I'm not even sure google will follow the link.

If signature links were followed then they would show up in a search for the signature keywords. I haven't found mine yet so it's quite possible there is a jigger somewhere in the system that blocks the googlebot. Can you find yours?

 

[ozbon]

Have you not promoted it anywhere else when you submitted it?

Submitting a Google Sitemap is indeed a much faster method.

Google may have changed its policy on including website submitted to it by now - I don't know. I made the submit mistake on my first ever website back-in-the-day, now I go for the backlink route, update services for blogs and sitemaps.

Oh, absolutely, I promote it and backlink a new site from my company site, and from anywhere else that's relevant. That's just common sense.

I was talking about strictly submitting within the Google world, rather than adding in links/backlinks etc.

 

[noidea]

If it's not indexed then it won't appear in the index and I'm not even sure google will follow the link.

If signature links were followed then they would show up in a search for the signature keywords. I haven't found mine yet so it's quite possible there is a jigger somewhere in the system that blocks the googlebot. Can you find yours?

well... Google created the nofollow tag... so if they say that then I believe them!!

 

[mcol]

an old trick is to submit a post on craigslist.co.uk with a link to your new site. Craigs List is almost continually re-indexed so your site could be listed within 24 hours