Free Shipping doesn't make a difference

Chris34

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Well not much anyway, according to the latest marketing email I've received from Ebay. The email is trying to convince sellers to offer free shipping on a 3 working day or less service. Here is a paragraph of the email:

' Free postage and packaging plus fast delivery are often the final consideration for buyers when deciding to buy an item. Therefore we created eBay FAST & FREE to help promote your listing to buyers when an item has free delivery and is likely to arrive within 3 working days. And it works! A test, conducted from 11 Feb to 10 March 2013 on www.ebay.co.uk, in which 40% of buyers were exposed to listings with the new FAST & FREE logo, showed an average increase in listing conversion of 3% with some sellers seeing an increase in sales of up to 14%. .... '


Now this to me says that offering free postage and daring to state that the package will definitely get to your customer within 3 days will only increase your overall sales by 3%. It hardly seems worth it. I would be interested to know what my drop in sales would be if I was to offer free postage and add the postage cost to the sale price, plus add another 12% on top of that to cover the extra Ebay costs (Ebay charge costs of 12% on the sale price but not on the postage costs that you charge). I bet I wouldn't see a 3% increase in sales then.

This just proves to me that offering free postage is not worth it. Let's be honest people who shop online are internet savvy, price savvy customers. They are not that daft, they know that £14.99 + Free P&P and £9.99 + £4.99 P&P is the same (apart from the 1p).

In my honest opinion having the prices separate looks cheaper even though it isn't (apart from the 1p). I charge my prices separate because of how it looks on the screen, and because on Ebay you save money on fees allowing you to pass on that saving to the customer. It also gives the customer bragging power when discussing their purchase with friends and family. Let me explain:

You know you get those people that go on the fruit machines in the pub, not the hardened gamblers but the ones who spend more than a little flutter. Well when they get a jackpot they will tell you how much they have won but when they tell you how much they won they won't tell you how much they put in the machine to get the jackpot. So they might win say £70 but they put £50 in to get the £70. So really they only won £20. They are conning themselves to clear it in their own minds that it's ok to spend £50 in a fruit machine and they are conning the people they are talking to as they want all the attention and to look good in front of people. You get the same in casinos, lottery players (scratch carders, might buy £20's worth a week, they get a £20 win and they shout about it), basically they only tell you the good bits that sound good and make them look good. Well I think the same happens with online shopping.

I think if you advertise say a budget digital camera as £9.99 and £4.99 P&P then their will be some customers who when their friends ask them how much they paid for their camera they will happily say they got it for £9.99 and brag about how cheap it was and how much of a good buy it was. In effect they are not lying because the camera did cost £9.99 and their friend did ask how much the camera cost. It makes themselves look good as they got a good buy and people respect people who get 'good buys'.

Now the type of people that are like this are going to be in the minority but I bet it's more than the 3 in every 100 that would be swayed to purchase if you had so called 'free' postage.

Another thing to note as well, that correlates quite nicely with my gambling example. Notice how the marketing email states that the results showed an average increase of 3% and could be as high as 14%. Notice how they are as bad as the gamblers and the bragging shopper by not telling me about the ones that didn't have an increase in sales, not telling me about the percentages of sellers that had an increase and the percentages that had a decrease.

You then start to wonder how many of these surveys they carried out, was it a bit like the Irish Euro yes or no vote where if you don't get the answer you want you do the vote again until you get the right answer?

Another thing to note, is it best to have the customer be surprised to find out that it's free shipping, or be surprised to find out that there is an added shipping cost? Both scenarios have to inform the customer, in the 'Free' shipping scenario if you don't get the free shipping message over to the customer you could then lose them to the competitor who charges separate pricing as the customer could be viewing your prices thinking they need to add postage costs on top.

So you can see offering 'Free' shipping to increase sales is one of those things that nobody really knows the true answer to, especially on Ebay where there is very little customer loyalty to think about. I just go off my gut instincts and my gut instincts with the Ebay marketing email, tell me it has got little to do with survey results and has got everything to do with trying to increase their own profits, but I think they have done a very bad job of trying to convince me, it's actually done the opposite :D



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Good post Chris.

Does anybody really think that P&P is free? Included in the price maybe but there is always a cost somewhere along the line. It's never free.

I like to see cost + P&P on the product page. What I don't like is getting to checkout and discovering £4.99 added to the total. Even worse is when you get the thing and discover you have paid £4.99 for a 20p jiffy page and a First Class stamp.

I agree the ebay average thing is very iffy. It looks like 3 out of 100 sold more but 97 didn't. They may even have seen a drop in sales.
 
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Does anybody really think that P&P is free? Included in the price maybe but there is always a cost somewhere along the line. It's never free.

Most people realise P&P costs money, however expect to see and pay one price. You would not expect to pay a "marketing surcharge" to cover the costs of marketing, so similarly I just want to know quickly the total price when I am on the product page.

However I think ebay does a good job of showing the total price (inc. P&P), even where it is separately shown.
 
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Thats an interesting study,

I am still not getting why you are paying 12% to ebay when you can sell those product directly on your own eCommerce portal.

At least you can run merchant ads, promote your brands and save those 12% commission too !!

Would like to learn the reason why people selling at such third party websites instead of their own website.
 
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Would like to learn the reason why people selling at such third party websites instead of their own website.
Because people use ebay to buy stuff.

You need to go to your customers. If you customers use ebay to source products then that's where you need to sell them.

My partner aslways uses etsy, ebay or amazon as a starting point. She rarely uses google for anything anymore. With the increase in tablet usage and apps for everything this is becoming more and more prevalent.
 
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People are not stupid, well not all of them and perhaps not those capable of using a credit card with some sense :)

So if a site offers free shipping most visitors to that site will focus on that and tell themselves it's hidden in the price. Some will go further then that and assume the more they add to their basket the less of a bargain they are getting, esp if the items are light weight.

I've always though offers must be genuine and I wish one day those who monitor this will sort out the shops that price an item for 5 week at an inflated rate only so they can then use that rate to rip-off customer by claiming a massive discount.

Good genuine offers bring you repeart and recommended customers. Bad offers lose you customers.

Also I would go by anything Ebay said, even is they were telling the whole truth. With shipping on ebay ebayers look at that simply because the are so many who bump up the postage to cover their ebay costs. So if they are doing ration first they need to remove those sellers then determine who buyers choose.
 
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At least you can run merchant ads, promote your brands and save those 12% commission too !!

Would like to learn the reason why people selling at such third party websites instead of their own website.

I'd like to know how you can save 12% but still spend money on advertising, PR, AdWords, SEO (hiring someone)? Does all that cost less than 12% of turnover?

As for eBay wanting you to deliver in less than 3 days, free, they're trying to upgrade their product offering to bring it in to line with Amazon I think. e.g. get rid of people selling things for pennies and start shifting stuff for £50 a pop and take a 12% commission on the £50 rather than the 50p.

Makes sense for eBay but anyone selling budget products and pocket money toys are going to struggle. Sale price £1.99, jiffy bag, paper invoice, staff time to process and pack order, royal mail postage on top...where's the profit?
 
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Look at the 12% as a marketing cost.

Then when you send the customer their order put in a discount code for their next order that can only be used on your website.

that is a good idea and I might implement that, I have three times attempted to go down the route of our own shop but I cant cope with the sales on eBay or Amazon most of the time + if you sell a item on your site that is advertised on one of the other market places and forget to remove the listing it leads to more hassle. But a good idea you state and something I will consider
 
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Makes sense for eBay but anyone selling budget products and pocket money toys are going to struggle. Sale price £1.99, jiffy bag, paper invoice, staff time to process and pack order, royal mail postage on top...where's the profit?

Some people just sell items cheap for no profit just to get the TRS and so on to get there more valuable listings placed better.

I don't know how eBay can really implement it though without delivery notifications,

At the moment eBay is a bit of a joke, 2 very recent examples below

http://tamebay.com/2013/05/ebay-promise-fast-free-delivery-over-holidays.html

http://tamebay.com/2013/05/dont-buy-it-on-ebay-buy-on-amazon.html
 
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Some people just sell items cheap for no profit just to get the TRS and so on to get there more valuable listings placed better.

I don't know how eBay can really implement it though without delivery notifications,

At the moment eBay is a bit of a joke, 2 very recent examples below

http://tamebay.com/2013/05/ebay-promise-fast-free-delivery-over-holidays.html

http://tamebay.com/2013/05/dont-buy-it-on-ebay-buy-on-amazon.html

The are a few people on there that sell pages removed from magazines. I sells them for £1 something + £2.50 postage. I was suprised that they had sold any but he's sold hundreds but when you concider the time they spend listing,packing and posting the money they retain from each is only about £1 it's madness.

When I found this out is so suprised me I did a search for other people doing the same. Take a look at these past sales for crazy;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_Complete=1&_nkw="Dawn+French"&_sop=16
 
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    It depends how you market the free shipping, for ebay it probably doesn't as the price would be added to the goods anyway. But for PPC you would put FREE Delivery in your advert and you would see a significant increase in clicks, likewise with magazine or newspaper advertising.. so its simply a case of how and where you promote the free delivery.. remember the world is far bigger than ebay.. best of luck
     
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    Some buyers don't care about the postage cost.
    Whenever I buy something online, via eBay or other avenues I always look at the postage charged and think 'That would cost around ~£xxx'.
    If the postage cost is ridiculous, I don't buy from that company/person.
     
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    that is a good idea and I might implement that, I have three times attempted to go down the route of our own shop but I cant cope with the sales on eBay or Amazon most of the time + if you sell a item on your site that is advertised on one of the other market places and forget to remove the listing it leads to more hassle. But a good idea you state and something I will consider

    There are great pieces of software on the market that can link all of your sales channels together and you control stock, orders, listing etc from one central location.

    StoreFeeder is one such piece of software that we offer our clients as a solution, www.storefeeder.com
     
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