Finding a good SEO company?

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Andy_Lativio

Hi Guys,

Looking for a little advice, how would you suggest qualifying SEO companies, we all know they cannot make any guarantees, TOP 1 place in Google for "toys" but what should we be asking companies to ensure they would produce some good results?

Your comments are appreciated.
 

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How do they use flash in SEO?

The answer should be they don't.


Where is the most importantarea to work on, on-site or on-site?

Google and Yahoo have different focuses on what is more important.

How long will it take to get to page one?

I don't know would be the honest answer. Depends what other people do. At the end of the day. If the top 40 companies all did work of an equal quality for the same amount of timw for the next 12 months, any changes would come down to changes in the SE alogorithms.

These are just a few.
 
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Tin

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Hi Guys,

Looking for a little advice, how would you suggest qualifying SEO companies, we all know they cannot make any guarantees, TOP 1 place in Google for "toys" but what should we be asking companies to ensure they would produce some good results?

Your comments are appreciated.

Hi Andy

You could start with asking them for some client results that demonstrate their work which'll obviously be in the form of ranking positions and respective client url's. I'd expect them to work across different markets so you should be able to get a cross section of clients and start looking into the results they've obtained for the clients. This will give you some idea of how well they adapt to the varying differences in keyword competition through various markets.

Don't automatically assume when you're verifying those keywords that a high number of results (1 to 10 of about XXXXXXXX) is indicative of true competition as it's not that straightforward, some serps (search engine results pages) can 'appear difficult' if you just look at the possible number of results but may in fact be quite easy to achieve whilst others, may seem easy but in reality can sometimes have high competition and 'depth' for what seems on the surface as simple.

I think what 'is' important is that the most appropriate keywords that are targeted are the ones that will deliver the most benefit to the client without wasting any of the site's resources on non-performing keywords.

When you're doing your checks take a little time to look over the site concerned to get a good feel for what the site is about, this should put a few keywords/keyphrases into your mind then go and check the ranking based on those keywords and see how things look. Page 1 of Google is where the money is and the higher up the better.

Obviously beware of any guarantees, Google doesn't offer them up for grabs so how can an seo.

The best way of ensuring you get a good seo company is to ask for recommendations and speak directly with previous clients. Check the results yourself, don't just take others words for it.

Find out exactly what the seo is going to do for you and don't be put off by jargon or waffle, a good seo should be able to explain everything for you in layman's terms.

Running off some quick questions..............

1. Ask them what they do about page titles & descriptions. They should be unique and specific to each and every page in the site.

2. Ask them what they do about session url's (assuming they do eCommerce sites). Ideally, they need to dump the query string and turn it into something short and meaningful. If it's a non eCommerce site then the urls would help if they're relevant somewhat to the page content.

3. How do they get search engines to know about your site if they don't already. The normal and easiest way is from a link within a site that's already indexed or through using the Google Toolbar with advanced setting ticked. Mass submission to 1000,s of different engines has been the wrong way to do things for years.

4. Do they research keywords/phrases and how. There's some guesstimation in this regard but essentially, running a test bed PPC account which targets a keyword short list will provide decent data on ad impressions (users looking under those keywords) and is a very good guide to search volumes. Keyword Discovery and Wordtracker are two popular sources of information, expect very mixed results but some trends should emerge after staring at the numbers over a few cups of tea.

5. What do they do about external link building. Basically, you want 1 way, non reciprocal on topic (or as close to on topic as you can get) links from quality sources. Tons of junk links that are way off topic are a waste of time and resources. You'll also benefit from deep links so ask them about those and how they go about sourcing them.

6. Do they code spiderable internal navigation links into their sites. Internal links within a site count as well as external links so they must ensure that the search robots can find every page within the site from all links.

7. How do they treat new domains from more established ones. Established ones are much easier to seo and the results will kick in far faster. New domains very often can suffer from an ageing filter which doesn't affect older domains. The ageing can also be affected by the competitiveness of the targeted words.

Simple things you should also look for is to check whether they keyword stuff. This should be obvious to most people, needs no explanation. They should also know about correct use of Header tags, Alt tags, Body text etc. but that's another story. ;)

No doubt I've missed loads but time for tea and someone else can chip in their bit.

Cheers

Ray
 
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Go along with whats been said with the addition of not being fobbed off with a No1 on MSN worth 3% of the traffic generated by Google or No1 on Yahoo worth 8% of google traffic.

Coming up for retirement is we Ray Going to write a book and spill all the beans, Hope you got a good pension :D

Earl
 
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Yeah good post Ray.

Also beware of any company that charges a large upfront fee. Or wants full payment up front.

You need to look for a company that is prepared to work with you to achieve your objectives, and is paid on a performance basis. In other words you should see someting for your money, before you hand over any more of it. Dont be fobbed off by people who say it takes 6 months before you see any results.
 
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Yeah good post Ray.

Also beware of any company that charges a large upfront fee. Or wants full payment up front.

You need to look for a company that is prepared to work with you to achieve your objectives, and is paid on a performance basis. In other words you should see someting for your money, before you hand over any more of it. Dont be fobbed off by people who say it takes 6 months before you see any results.

well I have just been offered a deal in a virgin site that has 6 pages,and would not expect to get any meaningfull results for six months including enlarging the site by a hundred pages or so ? googles sandbox can last 6 months ;)

Earl
 
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Of cause you can do a search for SEO service (or equiv) and who ever is on page 1 of the 67,000,000 hits cannot be all that bad. Joking aside there have been a lot of very good suggestions already but actually doing a couple of searches for their reference clients sites is always a good idea too - and for what you think are reasonable search terms for them not an obscure phrase they may give you to test
 
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Mandrake

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Many great suggestions here already. And without going off topic too far, one of my answers to your question would be "have you considered whether you can do this yourself rather than pay someone else to do it?". Of course, not everyone has the time or inclination to do their own SEO, and probably like many things, paying a professional may give better results or may not! Quite a large part of SEO in my opinion comes down to knowing the target market of the website, and you know that better than anyone.
 
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Many great suggestions here already. And without going off topic too far, one of my answers to your question would be "have you considered whether you can do this yourself rather than pay someone else to do it?". Of course, not everyone has the time or inclination to do their own SEO, and probably like many things, paying a professional may give better results or may not! Quite a large part of SEO in my opinion comes down to knowing the target market of the website, and you know that better than anyone.

I agree a lot can be done with a limited amount of study time permitting.

many times I point people to a DIY aproach as it is not feasable for me to get involved,on finacial or viability grounds.

Having said that if you are in a very competative market ,where there is a good return,the use of a pro is probably wise.

Earl
 
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Mandrake

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Having said that if you are in a very competative market ,where there is a good return,the use of a pro is probably wise.

This may be a complete "how long is a bit of string" question - but even in very vague ballpark terms, what would people expect to pay for a good professional SEO who has good references, etc? And what payment structure do you recommened (i.e. pay per hour, pay on results, or what)?

(I know I was just asking someone if they've considered doing their own SEO, but on the other hand, I'm interested to know when I'd consider hiring someone to do it, hence asking about costs).
 
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Mandrake

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We charge £400 a day on a pure fee basis. Certainly not the cheapest but defo not the most expensive.

Sure, thanks - that's exactly what I wanted to know. So as you say then, I can see that would pay back if someone was in a competitive area where the difference between page 1 and page 2 (or page one top 3, vs. bottom of page 1) is the difference between getting any traffic and getting none.

I was about to ask how many days you'd expect to spend working on an average site, but that really IS "how long's a bit of string"...
 
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I, Brian

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Looking for a little advice, how would you suggest qualifying SEO companies, we all know they cannot make any guarantees, TOP 1 place in Google for "toys" but what should we be asking companies to ensure they would produce some good results?

To be honest, the best recommendations are going to come from people you know in business who have had SEO services delivered for them.

The trouble with asking a SEO company, is that a lot of people are completely clueless as to what constitutes good SEO. So it would be easy for any company to dazzle a questioner with meaningless answers.

This is not least where a company will claim a load of top rankings - for keywords which deliver little traffic.

Also, not that there are different levels of SEO services and you'll get different responses because of it. People like Tin are really specialised on making a website search friendly, while people like me are specialist link builders. Two parts of an overall equation.

Also note that people like me will *not* provide details about other clients or rankings achieved, because confidentiality is utterly important. Anyone who openly advises which companies are buying links from them pushes unnecessary risks on the client. Links need to be generally under the radar.

Anyway, that said, look to ensure your site is search engine friendly, and consider at least some degree of link development. Don't go rushing out buying links, though.

2c. :)
 
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Also note that people like me will *not* provide details about other clients or rankings achieved, because confidentiality is utterly important.
:)

Brian I can understand not mentioning where you get your links from e.t.c.

but would be interested to know why you think confidentiality is so important as regards displaying your actual achieved results.

Earl
 
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Client confidentiality is an excuse some people use because they are not very good at the job you are paying for, so watch out for that. Any good SEO will be able to show you at least a handful of search results.
 
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Just like the 'good' SEO companies brag about being number 1 for some search term nobody actually uses you mean?

That is also true Red. I remember getting an email from this SEO company once bragging that they got a number one ranking for their client. The search term was Vagabond dive and the client was www dot vagabond-dive dot com. WOW.
 
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I, Brian

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Brian I can understand not mentioning where you get your links from e.t.c.

but would be interested to know why you think confidentiality is so important as regards displaying your actual achieved results.

Earl

If I mention results, it exposes my clients to unnecessary attention. It exposes my high-end sites to unnecessary attention. It exposes my own link development methods, my creative methods, and competitive edge.

I understand his reasons.

If I've worked hard to get good organic traffic for my client that's converting into real business then protecting that information makes a lot of sense.

Yes?

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Right. :)

Additionally, the one and only time I advertised my link sales about 3-4 years ago, I'm pretty certain someone from Google signed up in order to view my network of sites. They got a look, I killed the network, and ever since then, live by staying under the radar.

Client confidentiality is an excuse some people use because they are not very good at the job you are paying for, so watch out for that. Any good SEO will be able to show you at least a handful of search results.

One of my specialities is the finance sector. Single keywords. Not only is it extremely competitive, it's also extremely cut-throat.

The bottom line is that I have no interest in exposing either my clients nor my company to any unnecessary risk, real or perceived. Being too open about what you do, is risk.

And where's the point of inviting risk just to dance with my own ego? :)

I don't do on-page SEO. I'm a specialist link developer. The reason I can do that is by staying under the radar.
 
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