Europe should we stay in or get out?
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For months I had Andrew Chapman in my ignore list and last week I "un-ignored" him to see what he was up to only to find that he was banned back in February.
It's a shame as he was such a nice man
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For months I had Andrew Chapman in my ignore list and last week I "un-ignored" him to see what he was up to only to find that he was banned back in February.
It's a shame as he was such a nice man
Ah Andrew Chapman. I had forgotten about him. I was under the impression nobody got banned from UKBF - how wrong I was.
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*your brexiteering hero* just seems a tad 'sneery' to me, slightly indicative of an immature attitude. But hey, I probably just imagined it so let's leave it
Keep in mind that our Cobby operates on such a high level of intellectual supremacy, his being 'a bit sneery' is an acceptable consequence of receiving the oracles regular pronouncements
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I don't think that being in the E.U., or not, is really important anymore.
There is a far greater danger building up in the background, that the arguments over leaving
or not is now quite simply irrelevant.
The Europe-wide issue of Brexit is a convenient blanket for the governments to cover up
the dangers of the impending civil wars over the immigrants, which will become the main issue very soon.
Good old Pat explains it all.
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It's distressingly sad. I don't give a shit what the likes of Cobby say or call me, it's about time we started to look after our own rather than pander to the very small minority who want to stick up for this sick religious cult. By that I mean bury their heads in the sand regarding immigration (yes I know the tosser here was a French Tunisian, whatever that means). We need to start taking action against these scum wherever they are, and quickly, and if that means upsetting a few British, French, wherever Muslims so be it. I for one applaud Donald Trump on his response to this, and now with Boris in the Foreign Office hopefully we'll get some straight talking from the UK for once.
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No idea whatsoever, that's why I've never run for government. But something, anything would be good, and whatever that might be it shouldn't be compromised for fear of upsetting a few Muslims. And it is a twisted take on the Muslim faith that is responsible for these attacks.
What would suggest Mike?
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What part of "I have no idea whatsoever" is so difficult to grasp? Please go no further trying to make out I said something I haven't as, like most, I'm truely clueless on the solution.
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Root 66 Woodshop
Being clueless on the situation is what causes the issues in the first place...
With all due respect a rant about how upsetting the latest attack is - does nothing for the cause... all it shows is disrespect to another religion by calling them a "Sick cult".
Don't get me wrong here, I'm far from being religious myself - so much so I detest Christianity and what it stands for... but I certainly don't go around attacking others for their beliefs... I'm Pagan, Pagan's have suffered far more atrocities at the hands of Christianity than what Christianity has suffered from any other religious sects - but hey ho... kettle... black.... pot... nuff said. that's not the discussion here.
My personal opinion on life is simple - those that sow deserve what they reap.
The only thing that needs to happen in this country is the lifting of teachers and parents being able to discipline the children. Get back the meaning of respect for the Police by giving them the ability to deal with criminals without having the fear of red tape over them
Sir Robert Peel did not create the Police force for some jumped up little snot being able to get away with a crime that they've committed because they're "bored".
Kids wouldn't be bored if they were taught how to listen properly in schools or at home.
With all due respect a rant about how upsetting the latest attack is - does nothing for the cause... all it shows is disrespect to another religion by calling them a "Sick cult".
Don't get me wrong here, I'm far from being religious myself - so much so I detest Christianity and what it stands for... but I certainly don't go around attacking others for their beliefs... I'm Pagan, Pagan's have suffered far more atrocities at the hands of Christianity than what Christianity has suffered from any other religious sects - but hey ho... kettle... black.... pot... nuff said.
that's not the discussion here. My personal opinion on life is simple - those that sow deserve what they reap.
The only thing that needs to happen in this country is the lifting of teachers and parents being able to discipline the children. Get back the meaning of respect for the Police by giving them the ability to deal with criminals without having the fear of red tape over them
Sir Robert Peel did not create the Police force for some jumped up little snot being able to get away with a crime that they've committed because they're "bored".
Kids wouldn't be bored if they were taught how to listen properly in schools or at home.
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Being clueless on the situation is what causes the issues in the first place...
With all due respect a rant about how upsetting the latest attack is - does nothing for the cause... all it shows is disrespect to another religion by calling them a "Sick cult".
Don't get me wrong here, I'm far from being religious myself - so much so I detest Christianity and what it stands for... but I certainly don't go around attacking others for their beliefs... I'm Pagan, Pagan's have suffered far more atrocities at the hands of Christianity than what Christianity has suffered from any other religious sects - but hey ho... kettle... black.... pot... nuff said.
My personal opinion on life is simple - those that sow deserve what they reap.
The only thing that needs to happen in this country is the lifting of teachers and parents being able to discipline the children. Get back the meaning of respect for the Police by giving them the ability to deal with criminals without having the fear of red tape over them
Sir Robert Peel did not create the Police force for some jumped up little snot being able to get away with a crime that they've committed because they're "bored".
Kids wouldn't be bored if they were taught how to listen properly in schools or at home.
I'm not clueless on the situation, far from it unfortunately. What I am clueless about is the solution.
Everything else you said I totally agree with.
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That won't irradiate domestic terrorism.
There are children in this country being radicalised in non-state schools, at home and in places of worship. It's this that needs to be addressed.
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Hi John,
I Don't believe I said it would... however my point was by giving control back to the police and parents would reduce crime rate and make people think before they act... Crime in this country is at it's worse - people thinking that they're above the law is what fuels such atrocities.
IMPO
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You'd be surprised at what the Police have to do to get convictions these days... if it's not a point blank easily led conviction and there's some dodgy @rsed solicitor involved some crimes don't even get to being investigated further than an arrest... slap on the wrist and off they go again to plunder in the dark.
It's also shocking to see and hear of specific crimes being committed only to hear that there's no convictions due to the red tape that the Police have to work with.
Here, at the company that I work for - we work closely with the Police when required - to the extent that whenever we're asked to attend properties we drop all work and attend - no questions asked. However over the last 12-18 months this work has slowly deminished to the point of it being before 3-4 times a week to once a month now...
Yet, we still do it... we don't see ourselves here as a business but an addition to public services.
we receive updates every week of specific crimes in our area - and to read "no evidence of criminal entry" is a bit of a joke, we could show the Police exactly how criminals get into places simply by attending sites, we're not geniuses nor are we criminals ourselves but we can tell someone very easily how entry was gained even if there was no evidence
We can show were finger printing should be done - rather than the general lets try here, lets try there macabre way which appears to be followed these days... in fact, I've been to site before now where Officers hadn't even bothered getting out the prints team because they can't see how criminals have got in! it's a laugh a minute sometimes
It's also shocking to see and hear of specific crimes being committed only to hear that there's no convictions due to the red tape that the Police have to work with.
Here, at the company that I work for - we work closely with the Police when required - to the extent that whenever we're asked to attend properties we drop all work and attend - no questions asked. However over the last 12-18 months this work has slowly deminished to the point of it being before 3-4 times a week to once a month now...
Yet, we still do it... we don't see ourselves here as a business but an addition to public services.
we receive updates every week of specific crimes in our area - and to read "no evidence of criminal entry" is a bit of a joke, we could show the Police exactly how criminals get into places simply by attending sites, we're not geniuses nor are we criminals ourselves but we can tell someone very easily how entry was gained even if there was no evidence
We can show were finger printing should be done - rather than the general lets try here, lets try there macabre way which appears to be followed these days... in fact, I've been to site before now where Officers hadn't even bothered getting out the prints team because they can't see how criminals have got in! it's a laugh a minute sometimes
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Root 66 Woodshop
Sorry Cyndy,
I totally disagree... the Police has no respect anymore - Peelers were respected and feared - criminals would think twice before doing anything when a peeler was about, nowadays criminals, whether petty or the "big boys" simply don't give a brass monkeys about whether they're caught or not... Bobbies have no say in anything anymore...
Yes the red tape was always there - but when the Police was the POLICE we knew it and most importantly criminal's knew it.
I totally disagree... the Police has no respect anymore - Peelers were respected and feared - criminals would think twice before doing anything when a peeler was about, nowadays criminals, whether petty or the "big boys" simply don't give a brass monkeys about whether they're caught or not... Bobbies have no say in anything anymore...
Yes the red tape was always there - but when the Police was the POLICE we knew it and most importantly criminal's knew it.
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Ha, the real problem here is that the Enlightened Liberal Left is slowly being boxed into a logical corner.
Islam says: Islam is a militant religion. It requires its followers to take over and convert the host nation. The only bad muslims are those who don't aim towards this end.
Leftists say: We musn't disciminate. Those who discriminate are bad. All men are equal. Except, Christianity is the only bad religion. And white, wealthy, male westerners are the only bad people.
The sane man says: if a class of people have declared war on you, you take vigourous steps to defend you and yours. And that includes hitting minorities over the head. It includes profiling. It includes excluding people from your nation.
It includes lifting Imam Yusuf, brave orator, recipient-of-benefits and terrorist fundraiser, in the dead of night, and repatriating him to his spiritual homeland, where his 'brothers' take a dim view of troublemakers on their own doorstep.
Or you could do this:
Take a kitchen knife and stab your self in the foot. Left it heal, then do it again. And again. And when anyone tries to stop you, try to stab them. That's the basic modus of SJW's nowadays; a whiny mass of narrow prigs, masquerading as intellectuals, constantly running down their own society. Because they're smart.
I recall reading the following re: The Frankfurt School and Russian psychological warfare: "It's so much easier to defeat a society if you can get it to attack itself."
I'm grateful to Islam for one thing, as a traditionalist Catholic: it's getting harder and harder for the traitors who run Western society to peddle their 'peace 'n' justice 'n' tolerance' guff.
Even Aunty Fondlefloof can see smoke on the horizon, now.
Islam says: Islam is a militant religion. It requires its followers to take over and convert the host nation. The only bad muslims are those who don't aim towards this end.
Leftists say: We musn't disciminate. Those who discriminate are bad. All men are equal. Except, Christianity is the only bad religion. And white, wealthy, male westerners are the only bad people.
The sane man says: if a class of people have declared war on you, you take vigourous steps to defend you and yours. And that includes hitting minorities over the head. It includes profiling. It includes excluding people from your nation.
It includes lifting Imam Yusuf, brave orator, recipient-of-benefits and terrorist fundraiser, in the dead of night, and repatriating him to his spiritual homeland, where his 'brothers' take a dim view of troublemakers on their own doorstep.
Or you could do this:
Take a kitchen knife and stab your self in the foot. Left it heal, then do it again. And again. And when anyone tries to stop you, try to stab them. That's the basic modus of SJW's nowadays; a whiny mass of narrow prigs, masquerading as intellectuals, constantly running down their own society. Because they're smart.
I recall reading the following re: The Frankfurt School and Russian psychological warfare: "It's so much easier to defeat a society if you can get it to attack itself."
I'm grateful to Islam for one thing, as a traditionalist Catholic: it's getting harder and harder for the traitors who run Western society to peddle their 'peace 'n' justice 'n' tolerance' guff.
Even Aunty Fondlefloof can see smoke on the horizon, now.
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Just going to leave this here....
http://newsthump.com/2016/07/15/racists-looking-forward-to-several-weeks-of-being-openly-racist/
http://newsthump.com/2016/07/15/racists-looking-forward-to-several-weeks-of-being-openly-racist/
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What an incredibly immature article which reads as if it's written by a fifteen year old. Worryingly some people will no doubt take it seriously.
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It's funny how many people are racist. Only it's not.
Ooooooh, go on, this should be good.
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Please be absolutely clear that the only people - the "very small minority" who want to "stick up for this sick religious cult" are actually members of it. The people I believe you're *trying* to refer to - the 'left'? - are simply providing restraint for folk such as yourself who apparently wish to enact collective punishments.
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I'll stop you there. That's what even fifteen-year old internet users can easily recognise as a "Straw Man Argument" (please ask if you need clarification
). So, sadly, I'm afraid your crowing about 'logical corners' looks a bit silly.Understanding "the real problem", as you put it, requires an understanding that logic can lead one to take a position that isn't at either extreme.
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Your wrong on my thoughts. Please stop trying to be holier than thou. It was either you or that Scott chap that said "not all leave supporters are racist, but all racist are leave supporters". Well by the same token not all Muslims are terrorists but all (currently) terrorists are Muslim, whatever their take on the religion.
I've no wish for "collective punishment", that's your words not mine, which only goes to show your twisted take on the world and it's inhabitants.
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With such a diverse population there will not be any simple fixes, maybe there never will be an answer, maybe we have to accept this is what modern society is.
Although a terrible attack showing the french tunisian displaying the worst traits in a human, many rushed to the aid of the injured, police etc to try and help, showing the best traits of society. Respect to all who tried to help and ease the suffering.
Although a terrible attack showing the french tunisian displaying the worst traits in a human, many rushed to the aid of the injured, police etc to try and help, showing the best traits of society. Respect to all who tried to help and ease the suffering.
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Presumably he's also sexist for wanting more women on the board?
Bloody muslims, coming here and giving women more power.
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That's not a very good analogy at all, but it's interesting how eager you are to say as such.
They are my words, because that's your argument and you won't use those words yourself.
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That's quite a nasty slur. I hadn't heard about that. It'll be interesting to watch him under the extra media scrutiny, see if that sort of thing slips out again.
As for the other point, campaigning against an anachronistic hegemony of leadership is not racist. However, arguing that it is racist, in an attempt to stifle said activity, is the hallmark of a defense of cultural racism.
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<<<Personal comment removed>>>. You really have no argument do you beyond everyone is a racist. You can't just presume you are right and by typing what YOU think others views are make it so. You need to grow up Cobby and refrain from the self-righteous, all knowing, teenager attitude. Maybe if you actually responded to what people say you might get a half decent debate.
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Calm down.
You opened with "we need to look after our own" without making clear who that is. If you want to argue that the 'liberal left' in any way support ISIS or other Islamic extremists, then I suggest you do so explicitly rather than trying to heavily imply it. If you cannot or will not clarify your argument then don't get upset that I'm going to keep picking holes in it. It's not "holier than thou", it's just someone reining in ambiguous hysteria.
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