E-cigarette safe or not

Scott-Copywriter

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Yes your probably right, time will tell. It's just unpleasant to suddenly find yourself in a fog of second hand vape!

I actually know non-vapers who want their friends to blow the vapour in their faces because they love the fruity smell. They even chase the vapour clouds just to stand in front of them.

It's a strange world we live in, but then again, I quite like the smell of paint, so perhaps we're all guilty of some unusual olfactory preferences.
 
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SteveHa

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I'm sorry, but your ignorance just keeps showing through, and you have clearly read none of the linked documents. There is no danger whatsoever to so called passive vaping. The "clouds" contain nothing more sinister than the steam out of a kettle, and have been repeatedly found to be harmless to third parties.

I don't deny my nicotine addiction. However, I have given up smoking and all the harm that comes with it. My (dramatic) improvements in my health since I stopped smoking are testament to that. Nicotine itself is naturally occurring in various fruits and vegetables. Even the tiny doses in cigarettes and vaping are considered too small to be harmful.

Now, I wholeheartedly agree that a little bit of polite consideration should be observed. I myself try to never encloud anyone, regardless of whether they vape, smoke, both or neither, but that's just common decency.
 
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Ally Maxwell

Well I'm a lot brighter than you if you think you've quite anything. If you smoke/vape your an addict to nicotine, by simply changing your delivery method you've quite diddley squat. But nicotine addicts have always been very defensive, and in denial, about their habit so it's no surprise they feel justified in subjecting everyone around them in a cloud of nicotine vape, becuse it's "better than" tobacco. It's no better than a alcoholic force feeding a innocent by stander vodka.

You probably shouldn't be allowed near a computer without supervision.

Have you actually read anything in this thread or are you just voicing an opinion for the sake of it ?

No one is claiming to have 'quite' nicotine as you put it. The point of the thread is not about that, but you're clearly too thick to understand that. If you took the time to try and understand you might manage it, with assistance from your carer. The most dangerous part of cigarette smoking has never been nicotine.

I know plenty of people who have actually completely quit after moving to vaping and working down through the nicotine levels and eventually giving up. While vaping, they are no longer subject to the tar, CO, formaldehyde and various other things that cigarette smoke contains. Are you really to stupid to understand that ????
 
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@ Don

I'm sorry, but your ignorance just keeps showing through, and you have clearly read none of the linked documents. There is no danger whatsoever to so called passive vaping. The "clouds" contain nothing more sinister than the steam out of a kettle, and have been repeatedly found to be harmless to third parties.

I don't deny my nicotine addiction. However, I have given up smoking and all the harm that comes with it. My (dramatic) improvements in my health since I stopped smoking are testament to that. Nicotine itself is naturally occurring in various fruits and vegetables. Even the tiny doses in cigarettes and vaping are considered too small to be harmful.

Now, I wholeheartedly agree that a little bit of polite consideration should be observed. I myself try to never encloud anyone, regardless of whether they vape, smoke, both or neither, but that's just common decency.

I've purposefully stayed away from getting into the debate of how safe they are, I couldn't care less and it's up to personal choice what you put in your body. I just object to facing clouds of second hand vape. I appreciate your consideration just a shame others are not as thoughtful.

As for what you've actually given up is debatable. I was a reading a article a few years ago by a chap saying how he had given up drinking coffee and didn't miss it one bit. The Muppet had only switched to drinking tea instead, so he was getting the caffeine intake and hadn't actually given up the anything, just changed the carrier the caffeine came in. I see the change from smoke to vape as the same.
 
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Ally Maxwell

I've purposefully stayed away from getting into the debate of how safe they are, I couldn't care less and it's up to personal choice what you put in your body. I just object to facing clouds of second hand vape. I appreciate your consideration just a shame others are not as thoughtful.

As for what you've actually given up is debatable. I was a reading a article a few years ago by a chap saying how he had given up drinking coffee and didn't miss it one bit. The Muppet had only switched to drinking tea instead, so he was getting the caffeine intake and hadn't actually given up the anything, just changed the carrier the caffeine came in. I see the change from smoke to vape as the same.

You might see it like that, but that is because you are ignorant.
 
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lee989

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Well I'm a lot brighter than you if you think you've quite anything. If you smoke/vape your an addict to nicotine, by simply changing your delivery method you've quite diddley squat. But nicotine addicts have always been very defensive, and in denial, about their habit so it's no surprise they feel justified in subjecting everyone around them in a cloud of nicotine vape, becuse it's "better than" tobacco. It's no better than a alcoholic force feeding a innocent by stander vodka.

A very common trait amongst smokers in my experience is exactly this. I've been outside pubs e.c.t. vaping and a smoker has decided to reel off all his opinions on them as if they were based in fact. Most of the negativity towards ecigs from the public is due to ignorance and an inability to google.

No ecig user thinks they have quit nicotine, that's just a stupid remark given you order your liquid based on the amount of nicotine you want in their. Saying you quit nothing is equally as silly given it's proven the level of carcinogens (the stuff that actually causes you harm, and some studies suggest add to the addiction) is extremely low (many studies say there's none at all), that's what's been given up. Nicotine itself is relatively harmless in comparison to everything else in a cigarette.

Surrounding everyone in a cloud of vapour is unfortunately the by-product of arrogant idiots (unless your in a smoking area, in which case what do you expect). It's no different to smokers that stand in doorways e.c.t. though. Respecting other people in society has nothing to do with whether your a smoker, vaper or neither.

If your a smoker and proud, that's great. Enjoy your life and smoke away. My old man's the same and so were his parents. There's nothing wrong with that. There's many reasons people switch to vaping (i didn't do it for my health) and that's a choice they should be allowed to make much like your choice to continue enjoying smoking.

That's all well and good, but it's the passive vaping that's an issue. The vast clouds of vape that these e-cigs produce is frankly disgusting and shouldn't be inflicted on innocents bystanders.

This is about the only negativity with ecigs (and normal cigs too) that i'd agree with. Unfortunately as i said above, this isn't the fault of the ecig, it's the fault of the person holding it. Personally i try to use smoking area's where i can, stand downwind of groups of people outside buildings and if none of that works, i'll hold the vapour in for a little longer so it condenses and much less comes out of my mouth.

Of course it's worth pointing out that second hand vaping isn't harmful too you. A recent study by 3 independent researchers was presented at the "Workplace & Indoor Aerosols conference" which showed that it dissipates quickly and combined with other studies that have drawn the consensus that: "There was no evidence of potential for exposures of e-cigarette users to contaminants that are associated with risk to health at a level that would warrant attention" we can be confident it's not causing you any health issues.

However, i still agree with you those that don't vape, shouldn't be forced to stand in a fog of the stuff. My non-smoking, non-vaping other half happens to like the smell of blueberries i exhale in the living room (better than kebab breathe after the Monday night chippy run), but sure everyone should be free too choose if they care or not.
 
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webgeek

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"Tri" can mean three of something or a place (trilanka).
"Trip" can mean anything from going somewhere in a car to having a Timothy Leary flashback.
"Tripe" can mean anything from cows stomach to someone spouting utter rubbish.

Don't assume everything is black and white and that your definitions are the only ones in the world, otherwise you're tripping and need to stop that tripe dribbling out :p
 
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"Tri" can mean three of something or a place (trilanka).
"Trip" can mean anything from going somewhere in a car to having a Timothy Leary flashback.
"Tripe" can mean anything from cows stomach to someone spouting utter rubbish.

Don't assume everything is black and white and that your definitions are the only ones in the world, otherwise you're tripping and need to stop that tripe dribbling out :p

You're quite right, I'll quit now and keep quiet as there's nothing worse than dribbling tripe.

Back on topic, I fancy a good old fashioned fag, at least there can't be any misunderstanding with that.
 
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Matthew Gough

I'll throw my opinion into the mix, I've been vaping for about 18 months now, is it safe, nobody is qualified to answer that, most likely not, is it the lesser of two evils? Again, nobody can answer that, but based on my knowledge of what's in the eliquid and whats in a cigarette, and my health improvements since switching, I say it's an improvement.
It's not regulated, but there are some known ingerdients in the liquid which are harmful, so buy trusted brands (there are some out there), don't get it from a garage or a market. The regulations that are coming in are pointless, they do require some basic testing, but its mostly governing marketing and bottle sizes and labelling etc.
So as it stands I am happy I switched and feel better for it, and know a lot of people that have used them to quite smoking / vaping altogether which I think is a good thing.
 
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