Duplicate Content

[DanielSalesConsultant]

Hey All,

Okay, I'm building a website and covering all the regions and the duplicate content is going to happen as I can't write individual content for all 600 pages for the same subject.

However as the keywords are uncompetitive I can't see no reason why some quality back-links to a few of the pages can't be ranked for the uncompetitive keywords.

What are your views?

 

[Suzuki]

Why can't you write individual content for 600 pages? You could do 250 words on each of them and outsource it to oxfordcontent.com for £3000.

I'd rather pay 3 grand than risk a new project being penalised...

 

[ChrisLBC]

You could use a schema tool, however if it isnt unique enough you can still get penailsed

 

[ChrisLBC]

saying that, if it isnt that competitive it should rank on the basis of the keyword rich URL alone

 

[Suzuki]

saying that, if it isnt that competitive it should rank on the basis of the keyword rich URL alone

The lack of competition still won't stop you getting penalised when you create a site that 99%+ duplicate content though.

imho it is foolish to set up a set that only consists of duplicate content in 2013. It was something that would have worked years ago... but not today.

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

Hmm, hmm I've only charged the company £500, I can do it myself. Just being lazy :redface:

 

[terryuk]

Set up a nationwide company in under two minutes, good stuff

I agree - think you should get some content on there. Does it have to be 600 pages at once ?

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

Set up a nationwide company in under two minutes, good stuff

I agree - think you should get some content on there. Does it have to be 600 pages at once ?

No, but it would be great if they did.

I don't mind writing each page. I am just being lazy lol.

 

[Suzuki]

If you've only charged £500 then you have no idea what you're doing, along with having an idiot for a client. This isn't going to end well

 

[Annoying Donkey]

So OP wants free advice from us greedy SEOs

Why can't you write individual content for 600 pages? You could do 250 words on each of them and outsource it to oxfordcontent.com for £3000.

Personally I think that's poor advice. And perhaps why Suzuki is so vocal about losing rankings due to algorithm changes... But if you're going to do that aim for 1000 words.

Every page you put up should have a purpose related to the searcher's intent. These article mills simply don't cut the mustard. They're generic articles which will not connect with the searcher at any level. You'd be wasting your money...

You really want to carefully craft each page to create empathy, educate the searcher why you (or yuor client) and nobody else can solve their problem. Then ask them to phone you, sign up for your newsletter, or plonk down their credit card.

If graduates knew how to write articles to bring in the cash, they wouldn't be leaving Uni with large student loan debt

 

[ITsoldUK]

Hmm, hmm I've only charged the company £500, I can do it myself. Just being lazy :redface:

Lesson learnt here...

...

Did you quote for the whole 600 pages of copy?

 

[Annoying Donkey]

If you've only charged £500 then you have no idea what you're doing, along with having an idiot for a client. This isn't going to end well

Ha! for a change, I'm tempted to agree with you!

 

[MASSEY]

600 pages for 500 quid

I once had a site with duplicate content and i only changed the areas. i found that my rankings dropped until i made them more unique.

It is a boring task.

 

[Suzuki]

So OP wants free advice from us greedy SEOs

Personally I think that's poor advice. And perhaps why Suzuki is so vocal about losing rankings due to algorithm changes... But if you're going to do that aim for 1000 words.

Every page you put up should have a purpose related to the searcher's intent. These article mills simply don't cut the mustard. They're generic articles which will not connect with the searcher at any level. You'd be wasting your money...

You really want to carefully craft each page to create empathy, educate the searcher why you (or yuor client) and nobody else can solve their problem. Then ask them to phone you, sign up for your newsletter, or plonk down their credit card.

If graduates knew how to write articles to bring in the cash, they wouldn't be leaving Uni with large student loan debt

I was suggesting 250 words here as its pretty clear the OP is trying to do this on an unrealistic budget... 250 is the absolute minimum I'd be willing to go to.

I think you need unique content on most pages purely to avoid Google slamming your site... the users might not actually care about it but its the only way to survive google updates.

I normally operate in the payday niche so getting sites burned is par for the course, I've probably got more experience than most of google penalties But in quality sites/niches... what the OP is suggesting doing here with 99% duplicate content is a recipe for disaster.

Even 250 words of absolute crap (but unique) written by an Indian with the English skills of a native 7 year old, would be better than all duplicate content.

 

[ITsoldUK]

Just as a sub note to the OP and if you want to retain your professional integrity, why not concentrate on ONE local aspect first and dominate that.

Quality delivery with good results can overcome your current mess and will show you know your onions.

Then, you can converse on a positive footing with your client as to how your learning curve has been improved in this field and show them the benefits...

You deliver 600 pages of pap, what is that going to do to your rep as you try and grow your business?

 

[Annoying Donkey]

Just as a sub note to the OP and if you want to retain your professional integrity, why not concentrate on ONE local aspect first and dominate that.

I agree with that. And if you do an exceptional job you might even be able to renegotiate the fee for the rest...

 

[Suzuki]

I agree with that. And if you do an exceptional job you might even be able to renegotiate the fee for the rest...

He's clearly dealing with someone who wants everything for nothing. Building a 600 page website was never a £500 job in a million years... the buyer must have known this but was stupid enough to try it anyway.

You can't deal with people like that rationally... imo there is no way anything good comes of even continuing to attempt to deal with them. I would cut my losses and move on. They're never going to want to pay a fair rate for what needs to be done.

With the quote and stupidity of the client... it really is a case of the blind leading the blind

 

[terryuk]

I wonder what the market is.. 500 pound job and he breaks even

600 pages to choose from, It would be a good coin flipping exercise

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

If you've only charged £500 then you have no idea what you're doing, along with having an idiot for a client. This isn't going to end well

I was waiting for a hater to say something and I have my response ready.

Unlike most of the people on this forum that dive straight in whenever someone sends a link for help on their SEO and pretty much begs for work. I on the other hand charge £100 a day (more then I'd get at an agency! For whom usually pay out £7 to £8 an hour) and have plenty of work coming my way from word of mouth. I think my hourly wage ends up being £14.28 as I take an hour off for lunch and day time tv and general internet research before continuing to work in the afternoon.

Although I do know what I am doing, the fact is why charge £40 an hour and have to source for work when I can sit back and relax and have £500 per week?

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

Just as a sub note to the OP and if you want to retain your professional integrity, why not concentrate on ONE local aspect first and dominate that.

Quality delivery with good results can overcome your current mess and will show you know your onions.

Then, you can converse on a positive footing with your client as to how your learning curve has been improved in this field and show them the benefits...

You deliver 600 pages of pap, what is that going to do to your rep as you try and grow your business?

The content will be high quality just wanting to know if the option was there. I think I'm just going to knuckle down and not be lazy. I'm concentrating on dominating my local community before going on to wider communities.

 

[Suzuki]

I was waiting for a hater to say something and I have my response ready.

Unlike most of the people on this forum that dive straight in whenever someone sends a link for help on their SEO and pretty much begs for work. I on the other hand charge £100 a day (more then I'd get at an agency! For whom usually pay out £7 to £8 an hour) and have plenty of work coming my way from word of mouth. I think my hourly wage ends up being £14.28 as I take an hour off for lunch and day time tv and general internet research before continuing to work in the afternoon.

Although I do know what I am doing, the fact is why charge £40 an hour and have to source for work when I can sit back and relax and have £500 per week?

Because £500 a week will leave you struggling to pay your bills if you have any sort of lifestyle worth talking about. As well as the fact you're only making that £500 via borderline scamming... there is absolutely no way you could offer that client any value whatsoever by quoting that price for a 600 page website.

Either you don't know that, and you're an idiot. Or you do know it, and you're a scammer. I'll let you let us know which is correct.

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

Because £500 a week will leave you struggling to pay your bills if you have any sort of lifestyle worth talking about. As well as the fact you're only making that £500 via borderline scamming... there is absolutely no way you could offer that client any value whatsoever by quoting that price for a 600 page website.

Either you don't know that, and you're an idiot. Or you do know it, and you're a scammer. I'll let you let us know which is correct.

How would I be scamming him?

 

[ITsoldUK]

The content will be high quality just wanting to know if the option was there. I think I'm just going to knuckle down and not be lazy. I'm concentrating on dominating my local community before going on to wider communities.

Excellent approach and it will enable you to discover what works and more importantly what doesnt...

...keep close tabs on your work via a diary too. This will help in pricing as you move forward.

Not saying your pricing is flawed. I do not know your ins and outs but there is always the danger of selling yourself short in the early days.

Good luck with it.

Regards
Daren

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[DanielSalesConsultant]

The thing with working with tradesmen is that although they can earn thousands of pounds for installing bathrooms, kitchens ect, they don't like spending stuff on something they don't know nothing about. The thing with tradesmen is that they work together on a daily basis as they help each other out, if one tradesmen can't do one thing, they have a friend who can and they do talk and if you tell them to say something to their friend for looking after them, well it is a healthy relationship

 

[bartonz20let]

Can I just ask a relevant question that I posted in a topic but got no reply's, probibly my fault for *******ising the question.

I have a similar issue to the op, I'm developing an ecommerce site that has multiples of duplicate content, it's all original and unique none will be scraped or origonal manufacturer description but the specifics of blocks of products are the same. So take a clutch for example, each has 3 specific tuning stages but has 200 vehicle applications so 600 descriptions for one product and as the product range increases I'm going to have a huge amount of wrighting to do, however for the most popular vehicles each product will have special and totally unique content created.

can the duplicate content issue be resolved by using the application or vehicle specific at the start of the description and the meta title and description to show the se's each piece of text is aimed at a different vehicles or engine types.

The reason I ask, I've done this and I'm not getting any warnings in webmaster tools, google has indexed 99% of my pages. The only notifications I'm getting is on one specific block of producs I'm yet to update.

I'm not trying to be lazy but I could be typing for the rest of my life if I was to come up with unique content for every single page and it won't even be that unique as it would be impossible to describe 1 clutch 600 times when the only difference is the application?

I've spoken to a highly sucessfull website owner today, he does all his own SEO and his opinion was it would be fine, it's more than my competition have bothered to do (all using generic manufacturers descriptions) but I would like an opinion from the board, after all general consensus is usually best.

Sorry for the hijack op

 

[Suzuki]

How would I be scamming him?

Because you've took £500 from him and sold him a turd... you (should) know full well that you can't provide a 600 page for that price, without it getting penalised pretty quickly in Google. Either that or you explained or the risks and your client is a retard...

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

Well why don't I send you the link on Monday when the website goes online?

then the forum can debate themselves if I scammed the company or not?

 

[Suzuki]

Why don't you post it here rather than send it to me.

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

Okay sure

It'll be a master piece

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

In fact I'll write a full case study on it, and submit it to Slideshare.

 

[Goldenboy1]

If your not a scammer and you are really going to complete this project well done. I wish you luck. Least your not a "Bum" who signs on weekly.

I would suggest yoo do charge more in future obviously as you are cutting yourself a touch short but thats your choice and if you going to get 500£ at the end of the week thats great. See how long it takes you and how hard it was and next time charge accordingly.

Taz

 

[ITsoldUK]

If your not a scammer and you are really going to complete this project well done. I wish you luck. Least your not a "Bum" who signs on weekly.

I would suggest yoo do charge more in future obviously as you are cutting yourself a touch short but thats your choice and if you going to get 500£ at the end of the week thats great. See how long it takes you and how hard it was and next time charge accordingly.

Taz

In the interests of fairness here I shall elaborate on your point as I am sure you didnt mean to generalise...

...good luck for trying to earn a crust unlike SOME who are happy to claim the dole without putting any effort in to find work.

Not all people unemployed are bums. Some are there through no fault of their own.

And as stated in my earlier post, I agree. A diary as you proceed will help you with timing and charges in the future.

£500 for 600 pages of unique copy does sound a tad cheap but as before I do not know your oh's.

To complete this in 1 week is going to be tough but good luck.

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[Annoying Donkey]

I have a similar issue to the op, I'm developing an ecommerce site that has multiples of duplicate content, it's all original and unique none will be scraped or origonal manufacturer description but the specifics of blocks of products are the same. So take a clutch for example, each has 3 specific tuning stages but has 200 vehicle applications so 600 descriptions for one product and as the product range increases I'm going to have a huge amount of wrighting to do, however for the most popular vehicles each product will have special and totally unique content created.

Short answer is no. Use something like this Amazon product - look to the right of the product picture and there's a drop down for the size. Do the same for the list of vehicles applications and a separate list for the tuning stages (or, if appropriate, multiple pictures as under the size drop down). I think it can be done in CSS easily, so G still sees the vehicle list.

 

[Goldenboy1]

In the interests of fairness here I shall elaborate on your point as I am sure you didnt mean to generalise...

...good luck for trying to earn a crust unlike SOME who are happy to claim the dole without putting any effort in to find work.

Not all people unemployed are bums. Some are there through no fault of their own.

And as stated in my earlier post, I agree. A diary as you proceed will help you with timing and charges in the future.

£500 for 600 pages of unique copy does sound a tad cheap but as before I do not know your oh's.

To complete this in 1 week is going to be tough but good luck.

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I guess I could of explained what I meant by bums a lot better. By that I meant the people who are fit to work but instead sign on and use that money for drink and drugs.

Again good luck to the OP with his job.

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

Not that it is any of your business. However as it would seem I'm having to defend myself. I'm only 18 years of age and when I went to a job in Manchester it seemed that most of the agencies were only paying £6.00 per hour (Look on Gumtree!)

I think minimum wage is around £4.98 for my age. At the moment I work out my wage to be around £14 per hour.

Again, in an agency I'd have to get up go to work be miserable, work like a horse, be under pressure from bosses that are probably over paid. In an agency I'd only be earning short of £50 per day. I'm on double that and live a comfortable life. What more do I want? Nothing more.

 

[Suzuki]

But the point is to do this job properly and for the price you quoted... you're going to be earning less than £6 an hour. You'd have been better off taking the agency job...

 

[DanielSalesConsultant]

But the point is to do this job properly and for the price you quoted... you're going to be earning less than £6 an hour. You'd have been better off taking the agency job...

However it is only Wednesday and I have two days to finish the job and I only work between 09:00 to 13:00 and 14:00 to 17:00.

I think I'll have this job finished by Friday afternoon.

 

[jamesc]

Sounds like old school seo to me and no longer viable. Google created a situation where people were encouraged to fill up space with poor content, optimised to try to get traffic. The result is a very poor user experience.

In the last year or so Google has been taking steps to penalise low quality content. So, your mindset is likely to produce poor quality content that will be penalised by Google and end up benefiting no-one.

Stop thinking puff content and keywords and start questioning whether the content you're creating will benefit a user. If the answer is no then it's a pointless activity.

 

[MASSEY]

The thing with working with tradesmen is that although they can earn thousands of pounds for installing bathrooms, kitchens ect, they don't like spending stuff on something they don't know nothing about. The thing with tradesmen is that they work together on a daily basis as they help each other out, if one tradesmen can't do one thing, they have a friend who can and they do talk and if you tell them to say something to their friend for looking after them, well it is a healthy relationship

It's not as profitable as you think really. You talk like tradesmen earn mega bucks

Average kitchen or bathroom we do, supply and fit, only leaves us around 5 grand for 10 days work split between 2, hardly daylight robbery. But it works out to more than 6 quid an hour.

The trouble with websiters and SEO's is there are too many charlatans and that ruins it for the decent guys. I've lost track of the blokes who have told me they pay x for this and x for that and get no work from it.

I look forward to seeing the 600 pages of content. At a minimum of 250 words a page is what? 150,000 words

 

[Suzuki]

I look forward to seeing the 600 pages of content. At a minimum of 250 words a page is what? 150,000 words

Yeah same here, this should be interesting if he really does post the url (I'm guessing he won't)