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I taught on Business Development and Entrepreneurship Degrees.

You would need to look at the units studied to get real feel.

I taught one unit and it was purely historical and looking into qualities of an entrepreneur.

Other units were on setting up, funding, marketing etc.

We had some really successful people who went on to Dragons Den, developed good businesses and made money. We used to bring them back to talk to students.
 
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I taught on Business Development and Entrepreneurship Degrees.

You would need to look at the units studied to get real feel.

I taught one unit and it was purely historical and looking into qualities of an entrepreneur.

Other units were on setting up, funding, marketing etc.

We had some really successful people who went on to Dragons Den, developed good businesses and made money. We used to bring them back to talk to students.
Name them!
 
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Fresh from my LinkedIn feed

A post from someone desperate for work - has been job seeking for 5 months with no joy.

He has a degree in entrepreneurship

He lists entrepreneurship as one of his key skills

Which kind of sums up for me the modern use of the term
Has he been looking in France?.- According to George W Bush the French don't have a word for Entrepreneur!
 
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I personally don't know any entrepreneur who has a degree, in fact most left school pretty early. If they could truly "bottle it" and sell it maybe we would have a lot more successful business's in the UK
TBH I have no particular views on degrees per se - education is never a bad thing in its own right.

My comment is more around the dilution of the concept of 'entrepreneur' - which couldn't be more pronounced than a self-proclaimed entrepreneur (with a degree to prove it) begging for a job on social media.
 
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    And to many people these days start a conversation with that "word" turns me right off from the start especially when the next sentence that follows I am going to be big on social media. Interestingly my sons other half is a teacher I asked her over lunch on Sunday what do most of the kids aspire to be these days, a rise of her eyebrows across the table and a little chuckle ....... social media stars and a celeb is top of the list.
     
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    And to many people these days start a conversation with that "word" turns me right off from the start especially when the next sentence that follows I am going to be big on social media. Interestingly my sons other half is a teacher I asked her over lunch on Sunday what do most of the kids aspire to be these days, a rise of her eyebrows across the table and a little chuckle ....... social media stars and a celeb is top of the list.
    I was going to be a drummer & rally driver.

    I have no rhythm whatsoever. Enjoyed a few rally driving courses, but never quite made it into a career

    Like you, the biggest turn-off in a personal headline for me is self-awarded titles 'entrepreneur' CEO etc.
     
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    Interesting discussion and shows that educational institutes have jumped on the marketing bandwagon.

    What is the difference between a degree in entrepreneurism and business?

    My guess is that one of them is sold to dreamers.....
     
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    Never seen any jobs where companies are looking to hire an entrepreneur ???. Good luck to the guy on linkedIn!
     
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    Never seen any jobs where companies are looking to hire an entrepreneur ???. Good luck to the guy on linkedIn!
    Nearly as good as the people who used to register with the agency as straight graduates with no work experience asking to be a "trainee executive" or saying they had done Gaant charts in a module of their degree so would make an excellent project manager - the sector didn't matter as they had the skills to manage any project.
     
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    Nearly as good as the people who used to register with the agency as straight graduates with no work experience asking to be a "trainee executive" or saying they had done Gaant charts in a module of their degree so would make an excellent project manager - the sector didn't matter as they had the skills to manage any project.
    I have worked with several in the past. One went on to become a very successful Project Damager!
     
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    The challenge is this.

    If I was, say, the Finance Director of a big motor trade plc, entrepreneurship is not actually very high on my list of wanted skills for any job in the business, not even in the business development roles.

    It is too generic. Too across the board. To vague.

    I want finance skills. Or selling skills. Or a robust understanding of how to make businesses work.

    I would never list it on my own CV (I know, me having a CV!!). I would break down what I mean by it, and in particular, how my skills translate into good news for the role I am seeking to gain.
     
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    There is, of course, another snag with this.

    Who are the lecturers in entrepreneurship that facility this degree? Musk? Gates? Branson?

    I thought not.

    Nor me, either. Because I enjoy running my business, not lecturing. And, in any case, I my turn out to be a decent business person and a lousy lecturer.

    I suspect, some of the lecturers might be a bit, um, loade with fantasy and theory and a bit light on reality. I could, of course, be wrong.
     
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    There is, of course, another snag with this.

    Who are the lecturers in entrepreneurship that facility this degree? Musk? Gates? Branson?

    I thought not.

    Nor me, either. Because I enjoy running my business, not lecturing. And, in any case, I my turn out to be a decent business person and a lousy lecturer.

    I suspect, some of the lecturers might be a bit, um, loade with fantasy and theory and a bit light on reality. I could, of course, be wrong.
    I have actually run business start up courses, partly under the Government NEA scheme, partly marketed through a couple of local colleges.

    I flatter myself that it went pretty well (helped by the fact that the attendees were all there through choice)

    Meanwhile, when I volunteered for Young Enterprise, I learned that I would make a rubbish teacher.
     
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    To be a Entrepreneur one first has to have run a single enterprise well enough to expand into other areas although I hate the word "Entrepreneur" and prefer Businessperson
    UKBF did a video about this last year ;)

    I dislike the word Entrepreneur, but when dealing with Government and other large organisations it's the primary phrase used - especially when funding is involved. They all want to spend money to reach and connect with "Entrepreneurs of ________ *"
    * Insert current focus of the moment such as tomorrow/next generation/women/colour or even I heard last year "Silverpreneur" ean't to represent those with grey hear, older generation.

    I may not like the term and think it's just become an over used commodity throw away term, but if I'm being paid to use it then hell I don't mind being a Silverpreneur ??

    As for studying entrepreneurship, back to the OP, I was interviewed by some students studying "Entrepreneurship" and they asked can being an entrepeneur be taught and I simply said "Nope", after the awkward silence I did then expand on it and pretty much say something alone the lines of @Chris Ashdown 's comment above.

    I taught one unit and it was purely historical and looking into qualities of an entrepreneur.
    I get this, and agree this can be studied, but using my definition of an Entrepreneur (because I think the definition has become watered down and woolly) I do not think someone can learn to become one. I feel they can learn to become good at business, but an Entrepreneur is created by the events around them. Picking up on your Dragons Den reference, it's like comparing Peter Jones to Duncan Bannatyne.
    Having said all this... it doesn't really matter ?
     
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    How the f££k can you be an entrepreneur if you cant turn around a few pounds when you need it without asking @Mark T Jones ?
     
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    Think we should have a list of the most exotic degree courses available (for those thinking of a change in direction) the most bizarre a heard recently was Theme Park Management, my neighbours daughter is doing Stage Management, even her dads at a bit of a loss on that but there's probably more stages than theme parks so that could be a plus
     
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    What people don't understand is the management required from building a small team when you start, then being successful enough that you can entice the right experienced people to come on the board who have the same vision as yourself, then find the new management for running the next business, success on its own does not make a large organisation run and expand to meet the requirements of the board and investors/ shareholders

    Even Mr Branson has had quite a few failures that looked Shure things
     
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    What people don't understand is the management required from building a small team when you start, then being successful enough that you can entice the right experienced people to come on the board who have the same vision as yourself, then find the new management for running the next business, success on its own does not make a large organisation run and expand to meet the requirements of the board and investors/ shareholders

    Even Mr Branson has had quite a few failures that looked Shure things
    Yep like back in the 70's with his tax evasion scheme which got him done for fraud.
     
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    Think we should have a list of the most exotic degree courses available (for those thinking of a change in direction) the most bizarre a heard recently was Theme Park Management, my neighbours daughter is doing Stage Management, even her dads at a bit of a loss on that but there's probably more stages than theme parks so that could be a plus
    Next to my old office was a consultancy specialising in working with Theme Parks on profit maximisation. I would guess the course is like any leisure/tourism management course but with a bit more of a specialist twist - lots of work on basic finance, yield management, marketing and hopefully recruitment & retention.

    Basically put a flashy sounding title on something that has been around for ages

    A lot of those are actually counter productive - want to make yourself hard to employ as an engineer - do a degree in Automotive or Aerospace Engineering and don't get a 2i or 1st., without the top grades you won't get a job in those fields but every "normal" engineering role you apply for will look at you and go "oh they could do this job but will always be on the lookout for an automotive/aerospace job as that is their passion so let's go with candidate no2" same with programmers doing "Games Development" then trying to get a normal grad development role.
     
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    Some points here -
    I dislike the word Entrepreneur, but when dealing with Government and other large organisations it's the primary phrase used - especially when funding is involved. They all want to spend money to reach and connect with "Entrepreneurs of ________ *"
    Government officials may mean well, but they seldom, if ever, realise what they are doing. They are always working to a set of rules and pathways laid down by a committee. For that reason, they need you to jump through hoops and tick boxes.

    They SAY that they want to help you. But by getting you to negotiate all their hoops and tick all the boxes, YOU are helping THEM.

    For that reason, when approached by these people and asked if they can help me, I tell them to help me by doing specific things that would genuinely help. These are always things about which they are clueless. As Reagan said, "The most dangerous words in the English language are I am from the government and I am here to help you!"

    My golden rule is to keep them at a healthy distance- about the length of a long bargepole that has been thoroughly disinfected!
    As for studying entrepreneurship, back to the OP, I was interviewed by some students studying "Entrepreneurship" and they asked can being an entrepeneur be taught and I simply said "Nope", after the awkward silence I did then expand on it and pretty much say something alone the lines of @Chris Ashdown 's comment above.
    Studying how entrepreneurs work is much the same as studying the gestation process and birth of the African elephant. You will hopefully know a great deal about the gestation process and birth of the African elephant, but it cannot actually turn you into a pregnant female African elephant.

    A lot of those are actually counter productive - want to make yourself hard to employ as an engineer - do a degree in Automotive or Aerospace Engineering and don't get a 2i or 1st., without the top grades you won't get a job in those fields but every "normal" engineering role you apply for will look at you and go "oh they could do this job but will always be on the lookout for an automotive/aerospace job as that is their passion so let's go with candidate no2" same with programmers doing "Games Development" then trying to get a normal grad development role.
    This is a very, very, very important point! I get many CVs from hopefuls that have done some degree such as Music Technology or Cinematography or some such VERY specific field that implies that they know little or nothing beyond that small field that offers very few chances for gainful employment.

    Were I to be hiring a young hopeful (I ain't!) I would look for someone who can do it all. The relatively new career field created in Germany in 1996 of 'Mediengestalter' (media production assistant) and is subdivided into 'Picture and Sound' for film and TV and 'Digital and Print' for web and print media. This is not a study course, but an apprenticeship requiring good A-Levels. It teaches them a bit of everything from IT networking to BluRay authoring, from Dolby Atmos to three-point lighting - and so on. Needless to say, because these youngsters have actually learned in working TV and film studios, they are much sought after!

    So a practical hands-on education at the rockface is always preferable to trying to become a pregnant female African elephant.

    Studying entrepreneurship sounds to me mighty like someone studying how to become a pregnant female African elephant.
     
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    I have actually run business start up courses
    Like Mark, so have I, personally and for local councils (I am taking the Business Startup Bootcamp out of mothballs in the new year!).

    When you look around at a lot of advisers, coaches, trainers etc, many I come across have not had never opened a business in their life (outside of people like accountants) and may not have even been senior managers/directors in bigger businesses.

    WIth the 'students', the younger they are, the more than want to be an entrepreneur. Older people (40/50+) generally want to start a business.
     
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    Studying how entrepreneurs work is much the same as studying the gestation process and birth of the African elephant. You will hopefully know a great deal about the gestation process and birth of the African elephant, but it cannot actually turn you into a pregnant female African elephant.
    Brilliant and to the point! ??????
     
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    Studying how entrepreneurs work is much the same as studying the gestation process and birth of the African elephant. You will hopefully know a great deal about the gestation process and birth of the African elephant, but it cannot actually turn you into a pregnant female African elephant.

    If you wish to identify as an African elephant, pregnant or otherwise, everyone should respect that and treat you accordingly.
     
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