Copywriting - and SEO

GraemeL

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    I have seen some great examples of how a good copywriter can improve the impact of text to a site visitor on this forum.

    How does the copywriter know what keywords to incorporate? Or do they not need to concern themselves with anything other than the impact to a site visitor?

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    Visitors don't care about keywords, they care about:
    a) the page having the information they're looking for
    b) being able to work out what to do next - quickly and easily
    c) whether the website/company looks trustworthy
    d) etc etc

    Too much focus on keywords tends to put actual visitors off, because it makes the copy seem unnatural and inauthentic.
     
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    Visitors don't care about keywords, they care about:
    a) the page having the information they're looking for
    b) being able to work out what to do next - quickly and easily
    c) whether the website/company looks trustworthy
    d) etc etc

    Too much focus on keywords tends to put actual visitors off, because it makes the copy seem unnatural and inauthentic.


    Well if you don't have the right keywords then its likely you won't have visitors ,copy can be quite natural and still incorperate the right keywords to generate traffic.
     
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    Well if you don't have the right keywords then its likely you won't have visitors ,copy can be quite natural and still incorperate the right keywords to generate traffic.

    Only if you're getting all your visitors from organic search, and your site is entirely made from landing pages.

    Besides, he wasn't asking about traffic, he was asking about impact.
     
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    Yes, in my mind it is very important to work with the keywords, although it's better to think of them as key terms, relevant to the page.

    Ideally, extensive keyword research will have been done prior to putting any copy on a page and the copywriter should be able to incorporate the key terms into the page naturally. This is equally important for both the search engines and visitors because sensitive use of the key terms in the text reaffirms to a visitor that they will get what they came for.

    It's also important to think about the non keywords which are an important (and often overlooked) aspect of writing good copy. You need your page copy to include semantics to help reinforce the theme of the page and Google likes semantics.

    For example:
    A page about flying lessons should also include words in the copy such as:
    flight
    airborne
    cockpit
    pilot
    aeroplane
    aircraft
    course(s)
    learn(ing)
    teacher
    instructor
    etc

    Keywords, used properly within a pages copy, can be a very effective way of obtaining good rankings without impacting on the visitor's interaction.

    Besides, he wasn't asking about traffic, he was asking about impact.
    I've answered on the aspect of seo because the title of this thread is "Copywriting - and SEO" and because the OP asks "Or do they not need to concern themselves with anything other than the impact to a site visitor?" and that'll be why Earl's done the same.
     
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    I've answered on the aspect of seo because the title of this thread is "Copywriting - and SEO" and because the OP asks "Or do they not need to concern themselves with anything other than the impact to a site visitor?" and that'll be why Earl's done the same.

    Fair enough, and I'm not disputing the use of keywords on a page, although, as a copywriter I tend to just think of them as 'words'. If a webpage is about honey then I wouldn't include the word 'honey' on the page because it's a keyword, I'd include it because that's what the page was about.

    And there's more to SEO than keywords - if you focus on creating the best user experience for the visitor then you're more likely to get the page linked to, or shared.

    Well the figure often seen is that 93% of internet traffic initiates from search engine's

    And that's an impressive number, until you consider that 20% of that is people typing www.facebook.com into google rather than navigating straight there. ;)

    Ok, I'm exaggerating a little there, but not all traffic is created equal - and studies have shown that about 1/3 of all search traffic is navigational, and most of that is repeat traffic to a site the visitor has already been to.

    For instance, I just did a search on something like 'nielsen seo copywriting readability' (I can't remember the exact phrase), because I was pretty sure that I'd read something by Jakob Nielsen in the past about the subject, and wanted to find the reference. I figured that it was probably quicker to do a google search than to try to remember what the site address was and navigate from the homepage.

    And I was right, the search brought up an internal link to the article on the site I was looking for*.

    Interestingly enough, it wasn't the top result on the page, I think it was pretty low on page 1 or maybe even on page 2, but that didn't matter, because I wasn't asking google for just any article about 'nielsen seo copywriting readability', I was looking for a specific article on a specific site.

    Add to that the fact that search queries tend to follow the usual short head/long tail distribution and it means that the bulk of that traffic will be coming from a minority of searches - most of which will probably be totally unrelated to your website or business.

    It's not important whether 93% of internet traffic originates from search, what matters is where the traffic that you want on your website comes from. If (hypothetically) 93% of the traffic on my site is coming from search but the 7% that brings in money is coming from an email newsletter, I'm going to be more interested in catering for the 7% than for the 93%.


    *Btw this was the article I was looking for, in case anyone is interested. It wasn't quite as I remembered it, but it does contain this useful insight...

    "Vocabulary choice can also present conflicts: the keywords that are entered most often in queries can sometimes be more difficult to understand — particularly for low-literacy users — than simpler terms."

    In other words, if you just incorporate the keywords that people use in their search queries, rather than answering the answering the question implied by the query in the simplest possible way, you're making it much harder for your visitors to get what they want from the page.

    This is probably more relevant than ever as the proportion of 'long string' searches increases. Just because I searched for 'neilsen seo copywriting readability' doesn't mean I wanted to find a page with those 4 words in that specific order, because even though it's a useful search query, it's not a phrase that lends itself easily to clear, elegant English sentence construction.
     
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    How does the copywriter know what keywords to incorporate? Or do they not need to concern themselves with anything other than the impact to a site visitor?

    It depends on "what type of copywriter".

    Sales copywriters write to sell.

    People who call themselves "SEO copywriters" are a different breed.

    TBH, I'm not even sure what an "SEO copywriter" is - unless it's just someone who sticks keywords into the copy - and I'm even less sure how an "SEO copywriter" knows he/she is an "SEO copywriter".

    I've seen Tin's SEO work on a number of sites, and I've seen the sorts of rankings he's able to get just from changing the text on the site (no link work).

    That's "SEO copywriting"... but it's also "SEO"... if we define SEO as "search engine optimisation". And we know it's SEO because he does the work and the sites get rankings - i.e. it's proven to be "optimisation" because Google rewards it with rankings.

    If you're an SEO copywriter, how do you know whether your copy is "optimised" for the search engines? Does your copy result in rankings? In which case, are you not just an SEO? (Which is higher paid work.)

    And, if your copy alone isn't enough to get rankings, maybe it's not optimisation? Maybe it's just putting words on a page?

    Just my 2p,

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    GraemeL

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    Thank you to everyone for the most valuable comments. All I know about my own writing is that I have a very special way of expression, using a version of Geordie grammar, much like the speech of that little pointy eared chap on Star Wars.

    Can I ask another connected question?

    Selling a Service of one kind or another appears to me to lend itself to more elaborate copy. More freedom of expression.

    Selling a Product that is quite functional (We happen to sell chairs now, which is not the product that is in the back of my mind for starting this thread but demonstrates the type of product I mean) and is not a well known brand, puts a lot of restriction on the copy. When the customer buys, they should get what has been described.

    I am interested in selling a Product. Am I right or wrong to say that the amount of freedom that is allowed to a copywriter to make an impact or improve SEO is much limited?

    Thanks!

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    Yes, in my mind it is very important to work with the keywords, although it's better to think of them as key terms, relevant to the page.

    Ideally, extensive keyword research will have been done prior to putting any copy on a page and the copywriter should be able to incorporate the key terms into the page naturally. This is equally important for both the search engines and visitors because sensitive use of the key terms in the text reaffirms to a visitor that they will get what they came for.

    It's also important to think about the non keywords which are an important (and often overlooked) aspect of writing good copy. You need your page copy to include semantics to help reinforce the theme of the page and Google likes semantics.

    For example:
    A page about flying lessons should also include words in the copy such as:
    flight
    airborne
    cockpit
    pilot
    aeroplane
    aircraft
    course(s)
    learn(ing)
    teacher
    instructor
    etc

    Keywords, used properly within a pages copy, can be a very effective way of obtaining good rankings without impacting on the visitor's interaction.

    Just wanted to say, that for anyone just starting to learn about onpage seo, this post (and a couple of other recent posts that I've seen by @Tin) are absolute gold and should be taken note of.
     
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    I am interested in selling a Product. Am I right or wrong to say that the amount of freedom that is allowed to a copywriter to make an impact or improve SEO is much limited?
    Ye be wrong! :)
    I have two office chairs, one cost new around £80, the other cost over £800. If both companies just described the chair as a chair, I doubt the £800 would ever sell. You need to figure out what is special about your chairs (or other product) that makes it so valuable to your customers and highlight that. It may not be obvious to the customer, so you have to make it so. That's what copy is all about... Salesmanship in print...

    I struggle to write or even talk sometimes. Wifey feels fortunate to get a grunt out of me at times... :D Yet I can sit down and write copy to sell fairly ordinary things at a premium over, say, Amazon. It takes me a while, but the results are worth it. It's not really rocket science and I believe you can over-think it. It really comes down to understanding why the customer would want to buy your product. Ask what problem(s) your customers are solving by buying your product... Then explain why your product solves that problem to an imaginary (ideal) customer. And write that down. Simple... :D
     
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