Clocking in & out times

[Przemo(c)]

Hello All,

I've got another issue here... Could anybody help my with this, please...
My employer have introduced new clocking in & out rules recently. Nobody is allowed to clock in earlier then 2 minutes before starting time, and nobody is allowed to clock out later then 2 mins after finishing time. People had been clocking in earlier for years and nobody have ever claimed any overtime hours/minutes. 2 minutes before/after work is quite narrow time window. And what about if you need to stay longer to finish your work? Probably if you stay 15 minutes or more you could claim overtime pay, but what about 3-4-5 minutes longer? Is it legally supported in some way, or is it just employer's invention? For me it's ridiculous. I fully understand rules which tell you not to clock in later and not to clock out earlier then starting/finishing hours, because it's obvious. But narrowing it to some minutes...
Thank you for answers in advance.

 

[Rhodium]

I am an USDAW union representative, and though this may not concern your sector of employment, clocking in and out shouldn't be too much of an area problem. As far as i'm aware the clocking in cards are just to contrast against your hours by your manager or whoever deals with your wages to make sure you was in on that day and doing the hours you was supposed to do, (depending on how many colleagues you have depends on how neccessary this is) , and this information once it has been checked is put onto a host system that is then sent off weekly. . .

I may be wrong, but that's how it works for anyone working in the retail sector.

 

[profitxchange]

I don't have a problem with your clocking in/out. the issue of overtime clocking in/out early or late should not be an issue either. I would not pay any overtime unless it was sanctioned beforehand so coming in 30mins early or 30 mins late is irrelevant. your payroll dept are just being lazy. They should just pay your standard hours unless OT has been sanctioned

 

[Przemo(c)]

Ridiculous- turning up on time? It only seems rediculios to anyone who has not had to do any workforce planning or dealt with the fall out of all staff clipping 10 mins off of all the edges in a working day

Yes - for me it is very ridiculous. I'm not talking here about justifying of being late to work, that is not the case here because I am always 10 - 12 minutes earlier. And we are not talking here about clipping smth. off. We are talking about these particular 2 minutes. If management Introduced this 2 mins interval why it is not 2 minutes and 15 seconds, or maybe 2.13?? Please understand - when you have to get to your locker, change your clothes, then go back to clocking machine it's difficult to make it within two minutes, especially when we are NOT allowed to hang around the clock before clocking out time (CCTV monitoring clocking machine). What is that supposed to be, some kind of a race or what...?
When you at work on time, and you are not clocking out early, what makes the difference if I clock in 5 to, or I clock out 4 past???
I appreciate your opinions very much and thank you for your answers, but anyone know some legal regulations concerning the above? Thanks a lot.

 

[yorkshirejames]

Hello All,

I've got another issue here... Could anybody help my with this, please...
My employer have introduced new clocking in & out rules recently. Nobody is allowed to clock in earlier then 2 minutes before starting time, and nobody is allowed to clock out later then 2 mins after finishing time. People had been clocking in earlier for years and nobody have ever claimed any overtime hours/minutes. 2 minutes before/after work is quite narrow time window. And what about if you need to stay longer to finish your work? Probably if you stay 15 minutes or more you could claim overtime pay, but what about 3-4-5 minutes longer? Is it legally supported in some way, or is it just employer's invention? For me it's ridiculous. I fully understand rules which tell you not to clock in later and not to clock out earlier then starting/finishing hours, because it's obvious. But narrowing it to some minutes...
Thank you for answers in advance.

If people arrive 10/15 minutes early (as many workers would often do) then by _not_ clocking in the moment they arrive they aren't appearing on the fire register. I would strongly suggest that all employees should clock in the minute they set foot on company premises.

 

[ShortCouture]

two minutes does seem an unreasonable small window. There are a lot of reasons why the employer wants the times to be accurate but I suspect that the person that made the rules does not use the timeclock and does not realise how difficult this is. If you have an employee rep of some kind get them to discuss it with the management and make other suggestions that allow the employer to reduce the amount of 'extra time' clocked (presumably they want no risk of anyone claiming overtime) but also allow you a reasonable amount of time.